Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

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Balr0g said:
Apparently Graham Rahal has offered Vettel a test drive in one of his Indycars since Vettel said he would have loved to drive on a real American track and not in Miami. Well maybe Seb will change the racing series.
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Probably the only that that would make me have interest in indy. I love the shade thrown at the fake as fuck carpark mess.

The track was just meh. Especially annoying was the twisty section where they kept going to the helicopter shot so we could watch the highway flyovers rather than the cars navigating a tricky section. The DRS was odd at times it was way too powerful and others it didn't seem to do anything. There is no great overtaking places on the track (maybe that last few corners section but that tended to involve the car infront making a mistake). The whole thing was a bit featureless (what a suprise given it's a carpark) and all the fake marina, swimming pool crap was just a terrible addition to try and desperately give it character.
 
Coccxys said:
Probably the only that that would make me have interest in indy. I love the shade thrown at the fake as fuck carpark mess.

The track was just meh. Especially annoying was the twisty section where they kept going to the helicopter shot so we could watch the highway flyovers rather than the cars navigating a tricky section. The DRS was odd at times it was way too powerful and others it didn't seem to do anything. There is no great overtaking places on the track (maybe that last few corners section but that tended to involve the car infront making a mistake). The whole thing was a bit featureless (what a suprise given it's a carpark) and all the fake marina, swimming pool crap was just a terrible addition to try and desperately give it character.
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The giant stadion looks really impressive, I must admit, so that's a nice setpiece to build a track around, but you still can't shake the feeling it's just a parking lot.
Overall, the race was okay, there could have been more action, but it wasn't as bad as, say, old Bahrain or anything.

But it's not going to be anyone's favorite track. When you compare it to iconic and historic tracks like Portimao, Zandvoort, Spa or Imola, it's just a really bland track.
The old tracks aren't just better for nostalgia reasons, their layout is just way more interesting. These new tracks are always just so meh. Socchi is a crima against motorracing.
 
Wargarbl said:
EDIT: Regarding Miami
The race is reflective of the host city, in this case. Miami is a shallow, fake, celeb-obsessed place, and the Parking Lot Grand Prix, complete with fake boats and more focus on who showed up than the racing action, is a perfect encapsulation of it.
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Reminds me a lot of the US MotoGP race, either Cota, and this even happened in Laguna Seca. The announcers are always fawning over the stars on the grid and I think last year it was a real shit show with B listers like Iggy A and others trying to monopolize time on the grid. I can't remember exactly what happened and who it was over, but it was a shitshow of assholes not clearing the grid fast enough for a proper start or something along those lines.

It's just annoying that for all the F1/MotoGP races, America is "where the stars play" and I just want them to get fucked and race. This doesn't happen at any other race on the calendar. It's not like they run at Silverstone and the Pikeys parade around and bring out the IRA for one last bombing.
 
Sho'nuff said:
Reminds me a lot of the US MotoGP race, either Cota, and this even happened in Laguna Seca. The announcers are always fawning over the stars on the grid and I think last year it was a real shit show with B listers like Iggy A and others trying to monopolize time on the grid. I can't remember exactly what happened and who it was over, but it was a shitshow of assholes not clearing the grid fast enough for a proper start or something along those lines.

It's just annoying that for all the F1/MotoGP races, America is "where the stars play" and I just want them to get fucked and race. This doesn't happen at any other race on the calendar. It's not like they run at Silverstone and the Pikeys parade around and bring out the IRA for one last bombing.
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It’s just F1 thinking that if they invite celebs they’ll get Americans who aren’t racing fans to watch. They don’t bother in Europe because they already have an audience there.

Really, if they want to grow the American audience, they should set up regular races at real circuits around the country. They should keep COTA and pick a circuit in each of California, New England, the Southeast, and the Midwest. That way, every major region of the country will have a race close to them. They have no qualms about having that many races in Western Europe.

Also, having an American driver wouldn't hurt.
 
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quaawaa said:
Also, having an American driver wouldn't hurt.
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Friendly Primarina said:
They tried that with Scott Speed and he was mediocre at best. It didn't draw Americans to the sport and people barely remember him now.
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Much like MotoGP, there were a whole slew of American F1 drivers in the past, it really doesn't matter. Hell MotoGP had recent american world champs, still didn't matter.

I agree with getting more coverage in the US though, US is huge and we get 1 (2 now) race. There should be at least 3.

But ultimately those tracks probably can't afford what F1 wants to make the tracks "safe" and F1 ready. And I doubt there is a value proposition in there for them to put out that much on the hope the sport takes off. DTS did the most for F1 in the states I think.
 
As much as I want an American driver in the sport, it has to be the right one. It has to be someone that's capable of challenging for podiums and wins and a team that can give him the car to do it with. The US market likes a winner, if there's headlines of someone like Herta making the jump from Indy and dominating the F1 grid normies will come out in droves. If it's some American version of Latifi bumbling around in the back and wrecking out every other week no one will give a shit.
 
Road Work Ahead said:
I second this suggestion. Lewis' reaction to getting spun out by some southern hick of a NASCAR driver would be glorious to listen to.
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"Some dangerous driving there, man."
He's been in a NASCAR before, way back when:
But drastic difference between a track day and the utter hell of restrictor plate NASCAR racing, which is a disaster on par with DRS.

As a proper burger, I'm hitching my wagon to the AlphaTauri train, strictly because I like how the car looks.
 
Even Will Buxton is calling Hambone a faggot for his Mr T impression.

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Coccxys said:
Probably the only that that would make me have interest in indy. I love the shade thrown at the fake as fuck carpark mess.

The track was just meh. Especially annoying was the twisty section where they kept going to the helicopter shot so we could watch the highway flyovers rather than the cars navigating a tricky section. The DRS was odd at times it was way too powerful and others it didn't seem to do anything. There is no great overtaking places on the track (maybe that last few corners section but that tended to involve the car infront making a mistake). The whole thing was a bit featureless (what a suprise given it's a carpark) and all the fake marina, swimming pool crap was just a terrible addition to try and desperately give it character.
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I still have no idea how COTA ended up being a good track considering it came from the mind of Tilke and was built in a country with no F1 tradition like every other oil sheikh shit track. Stopped clock?
 
SargonF00t said:
How do the FIA accurately track how much money teams spend on development?

I know there is supposed to be a cap, but I would imagine there must be so many ways to get around it.
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Much line many of the regs the teams are required to self govern and submit statements of compliance or admissions to breeches. The FIA can then audit them at anytime (both at random and if breeches are suspected).
 
Coccxys said:
Please let it be true.

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Now that'd be hilarious. If they genuinely ran out of budget for updates, I wonder how the other teams are doing. I mean, Mercedes went into the first pre-season testing with a regular design before showing up with their super secret nopod design later on that they have tried to get to work ever since, maybe that depleted their funds more quickly.

Any team that settled into a design quicker might be on an advantage then. Not only for not having that shitty nopod design but also being able to refine what's working rather than Mercedes, that have had to struggle to fix what's broken.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Now that'd be hilarious. If they genuinely ran out of budget for updates, I wonder how the other teams are doing. I mean, Mercedes went into the first pre-season testing with a regular design before showing up with their super secret nopod design later on that they have tried to get to work ever since, maybe that depleted their funds more quickly.

Any team that settled into a design quicker might be on an advantage then. Not only for not having that shitty nopod design but also being able to refine what's working rather than Mercedes, that have had to struggle to fix what's broken.
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I was wondering this, if it is a realistic possibility for merc to throw away the sidepodless design and go for their original design. They had the fastest overall time during the barcelona test, with RB second. However, if they go back on that now, they throw away all the development they already spent on this car, without getting the development budget back. So basically they are fucked.
 
Full Race Replay said:
I was wondering this, if it is a realistic possibility for merc to throw away the sidepodless design and go for their original design. They had the fastest overall time during the barcelona test, with RB second. However, if they go back on that now, they throw away all the development they already spent on this car, without getting the development budget back. So basically they are fucked.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, really.

They either continue down the nopod route and hope they'll get that to work eventually with what they have or they go back to the regular design (which is most likely unrefined and only managed to hold up so well against a sandbagging competition using unrefined parts themselves). Sunk Cost fallacy on one hand and starting from scratch without any funds on the other.

By this point, I think Williams and AM have better odds of finding a solution for their designs than Merc... if it's something they can even fix on their end. If it's Merc's rear suspension, good night.
 
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