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Well the Bull looks like the the show car, Haas at least showed an early design...

Anyway who wants some more good Williams news?

The have signed Zak O'Sullivan to their junior program, starting F3 this year with Carlin
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Both 2nd places were behind a more experienced driver.

Oh yeah and Jack Dohan has jumped ship from Red Bull to Alpine.

I'm going to have to watch F3 and F2 this year could be good.
 
Oh yeah and Jack Dohan has jumped ship from Red Bull to Alpine.
I mean the red bull programme might be cut throat but you have more chance of ending up in F1 that way. They have 2 teams and like to swap drivers out. Alpine have 1 team, I'd think Alonso and Ocon are nailed on for as long as they want, they have Zhou and Piastri sat waiting for a drive. Will take a lot to convince them (or anyone) you should be in the car ahead of Piastri when the time comes.
 
The main problem with getting an F1 seat is there's only 20 available on any given year. Reserve drivers don't often get to participate on a race weekend and there's no third cars for wild card entries like in a lot of other motorsports where they do allow one-offs to participate. The likelihood of a new team arising is minimal because it requires at the bare minimum, a billion dollars that you are willing to spend with no guarantee of any returns.
 

Formula 1: FIA aware of new Michael Masi title-decider radio messages​

By Andrew Benson Chief F1 writer
Last updated on 9 February 2022

The FIA says it knows about radio messages from the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix that have raised fresh questions about last year's title-decider.

The messages seem to be further evidence of race director Michael Masi reacting to Red Bull's suggestions as to how to end a safety-car period.

And Masi echoes Red Bull's language in a response he gives to Mercedes.
A spokesman for Formula 1's governing body said: "We are aware of this and it is part of the investigation."

In the radio messages, Red Bull sporting director Jonathan Wheatley is heard advising Masi on how to deal with lapped cars that are on track between the leaders as he attempts to organise a restart before the laps run out.

At the time, Red Bull's Max Verstappen was on new tyres behind Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton on old rubber, which meant that if the race was resumed Verstappen would have a huge advantage and would likely win the race and championship.

Wheatley says: "Those lapped cars; you don't need to let them go right the way around and catch up with the back of the pack. You only need to let them go, and then we've got a motor race on our hands."

Masi replies: "Understood."

After the race, Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff gets on the radio to tell Masi that what he has done is "not right".

Masi replies: "Toto, it's called a motor race, OK?"

The radio transmissions are not new - they were on a video released by Formula 1 on 16 December, four days after the race - but the one from Wheatley appears to have missed general circulation in the storm that followed.

Their emergence into the public arena - they were trending on Twitter on Wednesday with the hashtag #F1xed - has come days before the FIA is due to reveal the outcome of its inquiry into Abu Dhabi to a meeting of the F1 Commission next Monday.

And it fits an impression of Masi acting in Red Bull's favour during the race and against Mercedes' interests.

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner had previously said to Masi: "Why aren't we getting these lapped cars out of the way? You only need one racing lap."

It is widely acknowledged within F1 that Masi failed to follow the rules correctly in Abu Dhabi, and that in doing so he had a direct effect on the outcome of the world championship.

The FIA inquiry was set up to analyse how the mistakes at Abu Dhabi were made, and to put in place protocols to try to prevent them happening again.

The FIA has access to all team radio from Abu Dhabi for the inquiry they are conducting into the race.

And the outcome could have significant consequences - Hamilton, who lost the championship in the controversial ending of the race, will not decide whether to return to F1 this year until he has seen the results of the FIA inquiry.

What happened in Abu Dhabi?​

Hamilton had led the race from the start until a safety car period with five laps to go.
Masi then failed to follow the rules correctly in at least two ways - to do with lapped cars and the timing of the restart.

Masi's position and actions are at the centre of the FIA inquiry, with many F1 insiders believing his position is untenable following his errors in Abu Dhabi - and further controversies at previous races.

FIA head of single seaters Peter Bayer, who is leading the inquiry, has hinted that Masi will not remain as race director in 2022.

When the race was restarted, Hamilton - on old tyres - was passed by title rival Max Verstappen's Red Bull - on fresh ones - and the championship changed hands.

The race director has discretion as to whether lapped cars are let through to unlap themselves - but the rules state that "any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car".

Masi ordered only the cars between Hamilton and Verstappen to overtake but left any between the rest of the top six where they were.

In addition to that, the rules dictate that once the lapped cars are let through, the racing will start "at the end of the following lap", whereas Masi restarted the race immediately.

Mercedes appealed against the result of the race in Abu Dhabi, but the stewards rejected their appeal on the grounds that a subsequent article in the rules states that once the message "safety car in this lap" has been displayed, the race director is obligated to start the race at the start of the next lap.

But many senior figures accept that the two articles in question - 48.12 and 48.13 of the sporting regulations - are intended to work in tandem. In other words, the lapped cars are to be let through, and the message about the safety car coming in displayed during the following lap - not that one supersedes the other, as the stewards argued.

It is believed Masi took the decisions he did because he was trying to accede to an agreement made with the teams that races should not finish under the safety car if at all possible.
SOURCE: https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60318052
 
Oh yeah and Jack Dohan has jumped ship from Red Bull to Alpine.
I'm not sure how I missed that... seems like it was announced at the end of last year.

If Jack wins the 2022 F2 championship, that could make things interesting for Alpine. I guess that all depends on whether or not Alonso retires at the end of the 2022 season and who they have in mind to replace him.

Then again, Jack could always do a Zhou and go into another F1 team that isn't Alpine. Whilst his old man has done pretty well for himself in his post-racing career, it's not exactly Russian oligarch or CCP money, which is going to make it a bit harder for him (especially as most of the other teams already have their own junior programs).

Whilst being in the RBR Junior Program isn't a guarantee of an eventual F1 seat, having both talent and a name probably would've helped inch him closer to the front of the queue. It didn't do Max any harm, although it'd be a tall order for Jack to eclipse Mick's achievements in motorsport in the same way Max eclipsed his old man's.

tl;dr: I just want Jack and Oscar to get an F1 seat each, because 'straya.
 
did aston actually reveal their real car?View attachment 2974114
Yes, that is what they were saying. Obviously it will have upgrades and changes before 1st race, but unlike RB who just painted the FIA show car, the AM has concepts to be used on track.

Notice all the gills along the top of the sidepods? And weird shape for the side intakes. Interesting to see if other cars have all these gills.
 
I like it, especially how the coke bottle philosophy has been shown the door. God I hated all the black exposed floor.

In the interests of fairness I don't like the mirrors it's obvious that they are like that for more aero.

A redditor has posted some hi-res pics
 
I don't know how I missed this...

Horner secures Mercedes factory tour in charity auction​


Mercedes can expect a visit from Christian Horner in the near future, with the Red Bull man winning a factory tour at a charity auction.

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Red Bull team boss Christian Horner has landed himself a tour of the Mercedes F1 factory after he cheekily bid on the item in Sunday's Autosport Awards Charity Auction.

As the bids rolled in, Horner opted to get involved and ultimately came out on top – his offer of £4,000 beating the competition.

Proceeds from the auction went to the Grand Prix Trust, which has provided help and advice to F1's trackside and factory-based team personnel for more than three decades.

Speaking in an exclusive interview with RacingNews365.com, Horner joked that he wants to take "about 20" people with him for the tour.

"Adrian [Newey, Chief Technical Officer], myself, Pierre Waché [Technical Director] and probably Paul Field, our Director of Production," he smiled, off the back of a hard-fought 2021 title battle with Mercedes.

Horner then quipped that "it'll be interesting to go and see how they're spending their budget cap", before underlining that his successful bid was all for a "great cause".

It's not the first time Horner has visited a rival F1 factory​

It would not be the first time that Horner sets foot in a rival team's factory, however, having visited McLaren's headquarters back in 2008 with David Coulthard and Newey – who both had spells at McLaren and Red Bull in F1.

"DC invited us and [then McLaren team boss] Martin Whitmarsh was there," Horner recalled.

"I went with Adrian; he obviously knew his way around and everywhere he wanted to go we weren't allowed!

"I think we saw we saw the marketing and electronics departments, and had a very nice lunch, and that was about it!"

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I hope Merc and Red Bull collaborate with making a comedy heist short film of the trip.
 
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And it fits an impression of Masi acting in Red Bull's favour during the race and against Mercedes' interests.
So, what this tells me is making a decision that favors Mercedes is totally A-okay, but when it favors someone else, shit just got real.

Also what a bunch of faggots, pretending like the radio messages are a new reveal when they are public since mid December. But oh wait, Horner said motor race and then Masi said the same, that's it, the smoking gun TRUMP MASI IS FINISHED!

did aston actually reveal their real car?View attachment 2974114
I like it, a nice bright green, it'll hopefully realls stand out this season. The air-intakes and those slits seem rather peculiar, I'm eager to find out what the other cars do.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I thought this might be worth bump:

AM released a short video of their car driving in Silverstone.

Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is the car switching colors from emerald green to light blue depending on how the lights hit it?

One thing is for certain, the look on these new cars is perfect. The somewhat high front wing with the sharp pointed nose and all these swept, curvy lines. It's just...
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This short clip of a new F1 car in motion gave me goosebumps.
 
Man, all 3 cars are quite noticeably different thus far. McLaren is also using a pullrod front suspension and a pushrod rear! Just look at this pic and note the sidepod areas and also the differences in the "coke bottle" area heading towards the rear suspension. Look how wide McL is.
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I can't see how all these majorly notable differences will mean the cars are all close together in speed. The concepts are quite vast, even with just these 3 cars, so surely some team(s) must have cocked it up or nailed it correctly.
 
Well I'd be happy with any of the three cars shown being monsters.
Here I made this to capture the top down views of the 3. Notice how substantially different they are.
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Sorry for the double post, but I thought this might be worth bump:

AM released a short video of their car driving in Silverstone.
Here is another vid of the AM in action man without the music effects:
 
Here I made this to capture the top down views of the 3. Notice how substantially different they are.
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One of my bigger fears was that all cars would end up very same-y in shape, but with these three we see FIA kept their promise: The strict rules still allow a lot of variation.

Haas has an insanely narrow rear (though the paintjob might conceal a lot of bulk), McLaren got some serious booty, and the lines on the AM are just really wild. Then there's tiny details in the suspension or the intakes of the sidepods.

I do wonder what the slits on top of the AM do and if that might end up being some really clever way to increase downforce. It's gonna be interesting to see if Mercedes has them too.

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When's the FIA report for Abu Dhabi due? I know it's gonna be some appeasement bullshit "mistakes were made" crap, but wouldn't it be nice if FIA went 100% support on the decision?
Frankly, if they don't voice their support for Masi's decision, they are complete retards, since they just open themselves up for even more petty bullshit like what Horner and Wolff did over the past months.
"Masi had little time to make a tough decision, we stand behind his decision. The race director decides how and when to apply the rules." is all it takes, and given that FIA shot down every attempt by Mercedes to intervene before the result was made official and their behaviour thereafter, it is virtually the only course of action.
 
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