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If this was still Jean Todt, there might be room to go easy, but this Sulayem guy has to prove that he'll take care of business. He can't have someone treat him like an insignificant nobody at the start of his career. I mean, he can't bitchslap Hambone into obedience with draconian punishments either, but given the two options, I doubt he'd choose the one that makes him look weak and ineffectual.

Dude's the head of the most prestigious international racing organization in human history. Dude needs to lay down the law in a manner that makes clear he's not a pushover.

Whether or not Hamilton gets beat with Daddy Sulayem's belt is going to be entirely up to Hamilton at this point. He needs to realize that he's in a dangerous position, or someone at Mercedes needs to step in and make it abundantly clear that this is not the time to be pushing his luck.

If someone gets through to him (or wakes up and realizes he could be in very real trouble), he'll start answering those calls and explain his side of the story. He and Mercedes pay a substantial fine for all this nonsense and we get on with the 2022 season.

But if he's so high on his own farts that he thinks that they're going to just drop it because he's F1's darling baby boy, there's not going to be any option besides harsher measures.
 

Whether or not Hamilton gets beat with Daddy Sulayem's belt is going to be entirely up to Hamilton at this point. He needs to realize that he's in a dangerous position, or someone at Mercedes needs to step in and make it abundantly clear that this is not the time to be pushing his luck.

If someone gets through to him (or wakes up and realizes he could be in very real trouble), he'll start answering those calls and explain his side of the story. He and Mercedes pay a substantial fine for all this nonsense and we get on with the 2022 season.

But if he's so high on his own farts that he thinks that they're going to just drop it because he's F1's darling baby boy, there's not going to be any option besides harsher measures.
The fine is up either way for not showing up at the celebration like he's contractually obligated to. Refusing to talk to the proper authorities about it is where he crosses the line and there might be need for a more substantial punishment in addition to the fine.

The way I see it, the refusal to answer Sulayem is a much more severe infraction, since it's a direct disrespect to the head of FIA and FIA as a whole. I guess what FIA wants at the moment is for Hamilton to come forward and explain himself, before they can settle on a punishment (ie: fine). But since he's basically just snorting crack off a male hookers taint and crying to himself, he's making FIA look like fools if they don't do anything.

I assume no one in Mercedes is in a position to talk sense into Hamilton, since he's either surrounded by spineless yes-men, bootlickers and so on or people who simply have no power or sway over him. Maybe Toto could talk some sense into him, but I would not be surprised if Hamilton is willowing in his little sanctuary of self-pitty where even Toto can't burst into. Maybe Toto is even encouraging this bullshit cause they are too high on their own farts to contemplate how much this can fuck them over. If Hamilton gets a slappin' that makes him end F1, I motion to make him a honorary lolcow.
 
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Well mercedes posted this to twitter (fun side note the comments section has practically none talking about the car, they're all still salty about losing).

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Someone in the comments did some playing around with settings and posted this.

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Can't tell much about it but the shape is very similar to the FIA mockup. Those front wing vortex reducers are going to be producing a lot of VSC/SCs those season when they end up sat on the track.
Do the 2022 cars have DRS?
 
Do the 2022 cars have DRS?
Unfortunately, yes, since they don't know how racing with the new cars will turn out. I think they want to remove DRS if it turns out that the new cars don't need it like the old ones do.
AFAIK, it's the whole point of changing the cars so radically. Closer racing through corners and on straights with slipstream instead of dirty air will lead to better racing.

Kinda makes me wonder how the drivers will adapt to this new style... assuming it'll not just be like the recent past with artificial DRS overtakes galore.
 
I just want Hamdouche to make the jump to NASCAR so I can watch him get punted off the track every Sunday by Joey Logano and the Busch brothers. That, and to see him inevitably cause a Big One at Dega.
 
Do the 2022 cars have DRS?
Unfortunately, yes, since they don't know how racing with the new cars will turn out. I think they want to remove DRS if it turns out that the new cars don't need it like the old ones do.
AFAIK, it's the whole point of changing the cars so radically. Closer racing through corners and on straights with slipstream instead of dirty air will lead to better racing.

Kinda makes me wonder how the drivers will adapt to this new style... assuming it'll not just be like the recent past with artificial DRS overtakes galore.
Yes, though it's supposed to be about half as powerful as previous due to the lower drag/downforce design of the rear wings and a reduced opening size. It's like half way to phasing them out and Ross Brawn has said they can be gone as early as 2023 if 2022 shows early on they aren't needed (or are too powerful which is the worry as staying close should be easier).
 
I just want Hamdouche to make the jump to NASCAR so I can watch him get punted off the track every Sunday by Joey Logano and the Busch brothers. That, and to see him inevitably cause a Big One at Dega.
It was mentioned earlier, but Hamilton in NASCAR would be like Danica 2.0.

In reality we all know he would never move to NASCAR or IndyCar, those are series where you cant lap the entire field because you've got a better car than them. Those are series where you have to earn your wins with skill and a little luck. The concept of such a level playing field is anathema to his royal majesty Lewis.
 
Yes, though it's supposed to be about half as powerful as previous due to the lower drag/downforce design of the rear wings and a reduced opening size. It's like half way to phasing them out and Ross Brawn has said they can be gone as early as 2023 if 2022 shows early on they aren't needed (or are too powerful which is the worry as staying close should be easier).
Certain tracks last season already showed that DRS does barely anything, when the cars run a low-drag configuration on their rear wing anyway.
Chances are that DRS becomes irrelevant on two fronts: The effect is less notable, thus more easy to remove and on the other hand, it might become less necessary, since following closer to a car allows regular overtakes.

In general, DRS was always a crutch to balance out the terrible aero of the past decade. If I never see that in F1 again, I'll be a happy man.
 
In general, DRS was always a crutch to balance out the terrible aero of the past decade. If I never see that in F1 again, I'll be a happy man.
DRS was invented because Abu Dhabi is an awful track and Alonso got stuck behind a Russian road block. That's the entire reason it was introduced, because of the bitching over that season's result. That's right Abu Dhabi was (and it hasn't improved much) so bad it ruined the racing on every track.

I've long said the morons who crow about "number of overtakes" as if that defines how good a race is have no idea about the sport. I want Mansel/Senna defensive races back, that is a more exciting than a million DRS drive by. Perez's Hamilton defence at Abu Dhabi was better than 90% of this year's "overtakes" (and the face people are complaining about poor sportsmanship shows how far the fanbase has fallen). I want cleaver strategy calls that switch up the order (that have to take into account not just driving by other cars that are going long). Its like those who pull out the graph of on track overtakes per season to show how refusing era was worse because there were less, yeah because strategy played a massive role.


Is the douchbaggery coming home with sponsors (God I hate the express).

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Also some more British "Dutch driver bad" nonsense:
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Sounds bad, who's warned him? Where is this coming from? Better follow the link:

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OK most of a could rather than warned, still let's see the source:

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OK so standard fucking penalty points rule of the sport which have never been triggered and have other drivers facing the exact same. Don't see where the warning is or the singling out of Vestappen in the rules.

Let's go for the quickfire round:

Headline:
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Sounds official. Story:
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More bullshit of course, further down:
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He hasn't told Masi shit, he's said it to some journalists. Let's check his relevance:
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Yup...

So finally let's have a real story that got burried by yet another "Max bad, Hamilton missing presumed dead by Max's hand" story:

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Did not expect that. Seemed a decent bloke in interviews and while they didn't have a great season he's always done a good job. I hope they get someone good to replace him, I want the Aston Martins right up there.
 
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Twitter is in a shitstorm over Lando revealing he gets laid. All kinds of fan girls are flipping their shit apparently! LOL

As for Otmar, he may have left due to AM signing Martin Whitmarsh to a role that would put him higher on the ladder than Otmar was.

Aston Martin hires former McLaren F1 team principal Whitmarsh​

Posted on 21st September 2021, 13:49 | Written by Keith Collantine

Aston Martin has recruited former McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh and tasked him with making their operation world championship contenders within five years.

The latest addition to the team’s recruitment drive brings two-and-a-half decades of experience earned at one of Formula 1’s top teams during its successful spell through the nineties and into the 2000s.

Whitmarsh, 63, held the positions of McLaren Group CEO and F1 team principal between 1989 and 2014. In addition to the team’s championship successes at the time with drivers including Ayrton Senna, Mika Hakkinen and Lewis Hamilton, it also expanded its business into the technology and automotive industries.
Aston Martin has hired him to serve as Group CEO for its Aston Martin Performance Technologies division. In addition to his F1 responsibilities Whitmarsh will also be involved in marketing the group’s products and capabilities across different industries. He will take over the role at the beginning of next month.

“Martin will enjoy senior leadership responsibility and will assist and support me in setting the new strategic direction for Aston Martin Performance Technologies and its subsidiaries,” said executive chairman Lawrence Stroll. Whitmarsh’s tasks will include transforming the team “into a Formula 1 world championship-winning organisation within the next four to five years, and evolving it into a £1 billion business over a similar time period.”

Martin has enjoyed a long, successful and high-profile career, spanning the motorsport, automotive, aerospace, marine and renewable-energy sectors” Stroll continued. “Moreover, he is a proven winner in Formula 1. He is therefore the ideal person for the job of working with me and our senior management team to lead and inspire our workforce to future success both on and off track.”

Whitmarsh said he is “utterly convinced” Stroll’s objective of becoming world championship contenders by 2026 is “an entirely achievable aim.”

“I have known and admired Lawrence for many years and I have always been extremely impressed by his formidable business acumen and his seemingly inexhaustible ambition,” said Whitmarsh. “Equally, I have always respected ‘Team Silverstone’, if I can call it that, which has often punched above its weight under its various previous incarnations, and which now has the weight with which to punch harder than ever before.”
“I know what it takes to win in Formula 1 and, inspired by Lawrence’s leadership and backed by the skill, passion and resolve of the workforce, I intend to do whatever I can to make sure that our team becomes the winning operation that Lawrence is determined that it should be,” he added.
 
Oh god not Whitmarsh, well that's my hopes of a killer Aston propelling Vettel to taking Hamilton's records gone. I wouldn't trust that guy to run a bath let alone and F1 team.

Practically everything the article credits with him was Ron Dennis, Whitmarsh was at the helm for the huge decline to the back of the grid. He was only team principal for 2009-2013.

I don't blame Otmar for bailing on that.
 
That online racing calendar is now back for 2022! Looks like they have a discord and a dedicated website too. Links to all:

2022 Online Calendar

Website

Discord

In looking at the calendar they have so far, the upcoming races of note (for me anyway) are
January 14 - 24h Dubai
January 22 - 6h Dubai (also the Daytona stuff kicks off with IMSA Prototype race same day and IMSA Sportscar Qualifying race Jan 23)
January 22/23 - F4 UAE and Formula Regional Asia at Yas Marina
January 28-30 - Rolex 24h Daytona, FE R1 & R2 Diriyah and 2nd weekend for F4 UAE & FRA at Dubai

The only good thing about Arabs is they fill the gap for live racing action until March comes! LOLOL

Also, it won't be too long now for the '22 F1 cars start dropping and the testing gets underway. I am sure the testing will be livestreamed.

Happy new year everyone, let's hope we have great racing over all the series we each follow!
 
Twitter is in a shitstorm over Lando revealing he gets laid. All kinds of fan girls are flipping their shit apparently! LOL

Simps heartbroken that their beloved public figure isn't actually their special person just for them. Tale as old as time.

Said before he has one of the worst fanbases in F1. If he ever becomes a champion watch them develop Kpop levels of devotion and insanity (still preferable to Hamilton's BLM Army tbf)
 
Wow, that sucks on the coverage of testing. Maybe they will relent? Hope so. Also this:

Audi and Porsche set to join F1 in 2026, powering McLaren and Red Bull

Published: Yesterday 11:30

Following on from news that Audi and Porsche were keen to join F1, our intel now suggests the deal is as good as done. CAR understands that the agreement– waiting to get the thumbs up from the Volkswagen supervisory board – will see Audi and Porsche will enter top-league motor racing in 2026.

The plan is now for Audi to team up with the McLaren motorsport division and also take over Woking’s automotive arm. It´ll be a one all-in parcel, racing and automotive, lock, stock and barrel. CAR understands the diligence phase has not yet begun, but the lawyers of both parties are already talking, and the main stakeholders - among them the Mumtalakat Holding Company from the Middle East - are allegedly willing to sell the loss-making car business.

In addition to a couple of new logos on the grid – which we’ll get to later – this will result in substantial economies of scale between Lambo, McLaren and Porsche. This would create the world´s strongest sports car group.

Audi and Porsche become engine suppliers​

For a while, it was not clear whether Audi and Porsche would field two pairs of jointly developed F1 race cars or act merely as powertrain supplier. It now transpires that the latter option is about to materialize. While Audi would power with McLaren, Porsche is said to have an arrangement with Red Bull Racing in the works – potentially after the current period with Honda consultancy. There even exists a fallback Plan B: Audi & Williams and Porsche & Alpha Tauri or even Haas.

In some ways, this makes the most sense. Porsche and Audi get to develop and market their hybrid technology – in advance of the new rules – without the cost of chassis development.

What about the engine?​

The new drivetrain is reportedly a joint effort by Audi Sport and Porsche Motorsport. Although the VW side had favoured an ultra high-performance 2.0litre four which was from the very beginning part of the so-called world engine project, the FIA opted for the 1.6litre V6 turbo which was a precondition for Ferrari to stay in F1.

Fed by sustainable fuels and devoid of the capricious MGU-H energy regeneration system, the combustion engine will in the future be supported by 475bhp of e-power - about triple the current output.

How would Audi benefit?​

According to those in the know, Audi is bidding for McLaren Cars and for the F1 unit, said to be worth around £1 billion. Jörg Astalosch, 49, is the designated chief liaison officer in the Audi-McLaren talks. Previously in charge of Ital Design (also an Audi satellite), the former confidant of VW Group supremo Ferdinand Piech started his new job in October.

Audi and Porsche are likely to fuse the F1 R&D work while retaining different set-ups and visual identities. One scenario suggests that Audi/McLaren will partner with Porsche/Red Bull to fight Ferrari and Mercedes in the upcoming hybrid/sustainable fuels era.

This could be a profitable enterprise for Audi and Volkswagen Group. Mercedes CEO Ola Källenius revealed last year that the AMG Petronas F1 commitment creates an annual media value of $1.5bn - and rising. Since Audi has pulled out of DTM and Formula E, the return on investment looks potentially sound.

Is McLaren vulnerable to a takeover?​

McLaren has suffered a torrid time due to Covid-19. The Automotive division recorded a £222.9million operating loss in 2020, a swing from £91.1m profit in 2019. Last year, sales crashed by 64 per cent to 1659 cars.
McLaren had to make some 830 redundancies. And the group has been involved in a critical refinancing, selling the Woking HQ and leasing it back, and issuing £550m of new shares to provide liquidity and pay off a £150m loan.

The situation has improved in 2021, with revenue doubling in the first half of the year. However McLaren Automotive CEO Mike Flewitt (below) stood down in late October, after eight years in charge. One of his final acts was to start evolving the Track25 strategy, which proposed the launch of 18 new models in a six-year timeframe, into a plan called Horizon 2030. This is likely to slow down the pace of new derivatives, in favour of higher margin models and an electrification push.

Two former Volkswagen Group executives – both appointed McLaren Group non-executive directors in early October – will steer Automotive for an interim period. They are former Porsche CEO Michael Macht, who will run the technical and operations side, and Stefan Jacoby, who also worked at GM and Mitsubishi.

What about BMW?​

BMW was previously in the race to buy McLaren, but that has now gone cold. A key player is Mumtalakat, the Bahrain state investment fund which owns about 42 per cent of McLaren. Reportedly Mumtalakat had its first, on-the-record meeting with BMW in early December. It appears that didn't come to anything of note.

BMW has had ties with McLaren since providing the iconic F1 supercar’s V12 in the ‘90s. A few years back, the two companies had talks about McLaren collaborating on a mid-engined supercar for Munich, but the project never got off the ground.

For BMW, acquiring McLaren would've kicked the door to supercar heaven wide open. And BMW could do with a new sports car plan, because the cupboard is bare. The M8 is an overweight GT, the Z4 wouldn’t exist without Toyota and brand-shaping halo cars like Z8 or i8 are history.

But surely VW has too many sports car brands?​

Rumours suggest Volkswagen Group has considered divesting brands including Lamborghini and Ducati; CAR’s Georg Kacher broke the story of Bugatti being spun-off to Croatian EV pioneer Rimac. So why bid for McLaren?

While the F1 connection is self-explanatory, an Ingolstadt source revealed, there are logical reasons to acquire McLaren Automotive. One is defensive: to block rivals from Korea or China – Geely reportedly was in talks with McLaren Cars last year – or arch-rival BMW.

In the long run McLaren could end up in sync with Bentley and Lambo to boost synergy effects in a profitable but increasingly volatile market. And in a single decade, McLaren has raced from nowhere to matching Ferrari and Lamborghini in ability and desirability – and there are admirers within the group who fancy driving it forward themselves.

It's not the first time BMW and VW Group have gone head-to-head for a blue-chip British car maker. In the late '90s both sought the then-combined Rolls-Royce and Bentley – with BMW ultimately getting the Spirit of Ecstasy and VW the Winged B.
 
It will absolutely suck if they take over mclaren and rename their F1 team to Audi/Porche for the branding.

If Williams and McLaren go in the future (Williams having nothing to do with the family anymore of course) then F1 bosses are really going to have to sit up and take note. Though they'd probably be too busy jacking it over all the manufacturer teams they now have (while ignoring how notoriously fickle those teams are compared to the sport's mainstays).
 
It will absolutely suck if they take over mclaren and rename their F1 team to Audi/Porche for the branding.
I can't see that happening.

If the article cited by @LiveFromNS is accurate, VW is buying the whole McLaren enterprise (automotive and racing). It wouldn't surprise me if VW keeps the McLaren branding for F1 and road cars. IIRC VAG hasn't closed down an automotive brand since NSU back in the early '70s; NSU being a hangover from VW's purchase of Audi in the late '60s. VAG has bought about 10 brands since then (including ones that were subsequently sold on), so I can't see them dropping the McLaren name.

It also wouldn't surprise me if the Audi F1 engines are branded McLaren, much in the same way that Lambo uses Lambo-branded Audi engines for some of their road cars.

Slightly OT... but I can't help but wonder if VW decided to jump in and buy McLaren just because BMW was also interested. It wouldn't be the first time VW bought something just to spite BMW, and there's probably still a bit of bad blood from the schmozzle that was the sale of Rolls-Royce Motors in the late '90s.

This was a schmozzle because the owners of Rolls-Royce Motors (Vickers) sold the company VW in the late '90s, but it didn't come with the rights to use the Rolls-Royce name or R-R logo, which was owned by Rolls-Royce Plc (the aeroplane engine manufacturer).

Bear in mind that Vickers was set to sell Rolls-Royce Cars to BMW, however VW came in at the last minute and gazumped BMW. Unfortunately, BMW had already bought the rights to use the name and logo from Rolls-Royce Plc, leaving BMW with a brand but no cars and VW with cars but no brand.

VW and BMW worked out a deal where VW eventually handed Rolls-Royce Motors over to BMW, and BMW allowed VW to use the R-R IP that BMW had the rights to. The deal lasted from 1998 through 2003.
 
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It will absolutely suck if they take over mclaren and rename their F1 team to Audi/Porche for the branding.

If Williams and McLaren go in the future (Williams having nothing to do with the family anymore of course) then F1 bosses are really going to have to sit up and take note. Though they'd probably be too busy jacking it over all the manufacturer teams they now have (while ignoring how notoriously fickle those teams are compared to the sport's mainstays).
Williams and McLaren have far too much of a brand to just discard away, especially since McLaren's active in the road car business to try and Williams is still one of the old teams everyone recognizes. The most they'll do is something like "Williams-Porsche" or "McLaren powered by Audi". They could even exploit the names like how Cooper is still being used by MINI as a label for their hotter cars.
 
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