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There is so much teams have to design independently to be allowed to enter their car that F1 won't be becoming a spec series anytime soon. The old days of customer teams have long gone so very few components are even interchangable between teams let alone the same.

Hell even spec series like F3 and F2 are anything but perfectly level performing cars between teams. There is a reason Prima is the place to end up in those.
 
Well mercedes posted this to twitter (fun side note the comments section has practically none talking about the car, they're all still salty about losing).

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Someone in the comments did some playing around with settings and posted this.

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Can't tell much about it but the shape is very similar to the FIA mockup. Those front wing vortex reducers are going to be producing a lot of VSC/SCs those season when they end up sat on the track.
 
I do like the more rounded shape of the new cars, especially the rear wing. You could see the old one with the sharp angles creating little vortexes...vortices...? Spinny wind things.
I always thought that with the rear wing creating such visible effects, it must be rather negative on the aerodynamics (if not for the car itself, then for the next driver for sure), the new wing might cut back on that issue.

But the one thing I wonder about: The new cars are very reliant on the ground effect beneath the car (much more than the old cars), so any instance of the sidepod being struck by a tyre or shunting over a sausage curb might cause some tidbit to break off. That might reduce the car's performance to a point where even a small damage could be race-ending. We'll see.

Goddamnit, I am so fucking hyped for next season, a lot of hopes ride on the new regulations creating a more level playing field for the teams as well as being able to driver closer together.
I expect Mercedes and RB to be super strong, maybe even Ferrari, I doubt that Haas is going to fight for midfield postions and I doubt we'll see a third driver interfere with the top two drivers too much, but damn, wouldn't it be great?
here's to hoping Aston Martin has a decent car

Can't tell much about it but the shape is very similar to the FIA mockup.
Thinking about that, maybe copying the mockup isn't the worst design. It might be the one FIA has tested the most and based their rules on, so it is the best starting point to run for the initial design. You don't want to deviate too much from that design and risk ending up with a lackluster aero, when you more or less know that the mockup is what FIA based all their own calculations on.

It's basically borrowing someone else's homework and allows you to cut back on engineering your own solution by giving you a functional starting point that you don't have to establish yourself. Most cars won't deviate much from the mockup in the first season, I wager. Diversification will come at a later time.
 
But the one thing I wonder about: The new cars are very reliant on the ground effect beneath the car (much more than the old cars),
One of the big things with the ground effect (and ultimately why they banned it back in the day) is the downforce is heavily dependant on the distance between the car and the road and how level it is to the road. The bumps that unsettled the car previously are going to have a much larger effect. The performance of the car is going to be very dependant on how good the suspension and its set up are.

That's why you used to see a lot of cars just giving up and spearing off half way around a corner when ground effect was prevalent in the old days, because they hit a bump that lifted the bottom of the car and suddenly reduced the downforce significantly.
 
One of the big things with the ground effect (and ultimately why they banned it back in the day) is the downforce is heavily dependant on the distance between the car and the road and how level it is to the road. The bumps that unsettled the car previously are going to have a much larger effect. The performance of the car is going to be very dependant on how good the suspension and its set up are.

That's why you used to see a lot of cars just giving up and spearing off half way around a corner when ground effect was prevalent in the old days, because they hit a bump that lifted the bottom of the car and suddenly reduced the downforce significantly.
Maybe I am wrong, but isn't Indycar using ground effect a lot? If they do, it would be a sturdy foundation to introduce it to F1. It would be terrible if a small jump over a bump escalated into an uncontrollable shunt at top speed. Or, you know... this:

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I really hope FIA didn't fuck this one up, going from "ground effect is FUBAR" to "ground effect is super fucking neat-o" is a huge change... but then again, the teams already used the ground effect, they just sealed up the floor via vortices, so there's that.
 
I think the suspension has come a long way since the bad old days and the tracks are a lot smoother than they used to be even if they still moan about bumps. They must be satisfied that it can be done safely with current tech and regulations otherwise they wouldn't be pushing back in that direction.
 
One of the big things with the ground effect (and ultimately why they banned it back in the day) is the downforce is heavily dependant on the distance between the car and the road and how level it is to the road. The bumps that unsettled the car previously are going to have a much larger effect. The performance of the car is going to be very dependant on how good the suspension and its set up are.

That's why you used to see a lot of cars just giving up and spearing off half way around a corner when ground effect was prevalent in the old days, because they hit a bump that lifted the bottom of the car and suddenly reduced the downforce significantly.
They aren't gonna be letting the extreme skirted solutions of the day back, the underbody work they allow now would be comparable to what an Indycar would have, which is substantial but predictable. Also, CFD and CAD design allows for solutions with far more margin for error, damage and whatever else would affect the performance of the underbelly.
 
They're allowing more ground effect (there is always some) but its nothing close to the sideskirts riding on the track levels that they outlawed previously. From what I understand the ground effect properties the FiA are shooting for are similar to what Indycar runs. I don't know of any F1 circuits that are rougher than the bridge section of the Music City GP that indycar ran last summer, and they didn't go airborne (except for Ericsson but that was because of a collision).


Hopefully everyone knows what they're doing, but I'm not expecting Le Mans 1999 flips.
 
They're allowing more ground effect (there is always some) but its nothing close to the sideskirts riding on the track levels that they outlawed previously. From what I understand the ground effect properties the FiA are shooting for are similar to what Indycar runs. I don't know of any F1 circuits that are rougher than the bridge section of the Music City GP that indycar ran last summer, and they didn't go airborne (except for Ericsson but that was because of a collision).
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Hopefully everyone knows what they're doing, but I'm not expecting Le Mans 1999 flips.
Rallyecars going down a gravel road on a vineyard bump less jfc.

If F1's new ground effect is similar, there should be no issue I guess. No F1 track is in such bad shape.
 
This is entering "sit out the entire 2022 season, dipshit"-territories of sanctions. Sulayem isn't just trying to have a funny little chitchat with a random driver, it's Sulayem who want's Hamilton to justify or explain why he breached FIA regulations.

Hamilton treats the president of FIA like some lowly supplicant, cause this faggot of a diva still hasn't gotten all the sand out of his mangina from losing a title-fight to a way better driver.
And it's all just phony bullshit. If he was this disillusioned, he'd retire. He wants FIA to come crawling to him, cause he's the golden boy, the sacred face of their sport and they better remember that goddamnit and apologize to him.

Nope. Fuck that airhead. FIA shouldn't just punish him harshly, they *need* to punish him harshly. He's the all-time-record breaking driver, he represents the sport, whether I like to admit that or not. He must pay respect to FIA or he's out. What, is FIA not an organization that needs to be taken seriously?

I'd set him a deadline to respond and if he doesn't, I'd ban him from participating the first three races of the new season. If he then bitches about the punishment, it's full season cheerleading duty. Fullstop.
Hamilton makes a mockery of FIA and that's unacceptable.
 
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I am waiting for the first team to dust of the old Brabham fan solution

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This will of course not happen but it would be funny.
 
He wants FIA to come crawling to him, cause he's the golden boy, the sacred face of their sport and they better remember that goddamnit and apologize to him.
No star is bigger than the scene. You can have a lot of pull, like rabid fans that will do your bidding, but everyone gets old and dies. The sport will move on. Today, Ali is remembered by Boomers who watched him and their children who heard stories of him. He'll eventually be relegated to the same status as Willie Pep and Jack Dempsey - legends in their own right but only really known to those who follow the Sweet Science.
 
Niceties with the press aside, There's no way Sulayem isn't pissed about this. He's the new man in charge, and he's being stonewalled by a driver acting like a child. The memes of a stricter punishment like a race ban were funny before, but if Hambone keeps this up it could actually be a possibility. This is the perfect opportunity for Sulayem to lay down the law and show both drivers and teams that the clowning will cease, immediately. This is one of those moments that's going to set the tone for his entire tenure as President.
 
I can't wait to see Alex Albon beat the shit out of Latifi this season. Poor guy got shafted by red bull just like all their other junior drivers who's names don't start with M and rhyme with "happen", and I remember he was being ridiculed in 2020. Hopefully this fresh start with lower stakes will let him shine.
 
Niceties with the press aside, There's no way Sulayem isn't pissed about this. He's the new man in charge, and he's being stonewalled by a driver acting like a child. The memes of a stricter punishment like a race ban were funny before, but if Hambone keeps this up it could actually be a possibility. This is the perfect opportunity for Sulayem to lay down the law and show both drivers and teams that the clowning will cease, immediately. This is one of those moments that's going to set the tone for his entire tenure as President.
If this was still Jean Todt, there might be room to go easy, but this Sulayem guy has to prove that he'll take care of business. He can't have someone treat him like an insignificant nobody at the start of his career. I mean, he can't bitchslap Hambone into obedience with draconian punishments either, but given the two options, I doubt he'd choose the one that makes him look weak and ineffectual.

Dude's the head of the most prestigious international racing organization in human history. Dude needs to lay down the law in a manner that makes clear he's not a pushover.
 
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