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Say hello to our new FIA overlord Mohammed ben Sulayem or the guy who hands out trophies at Abu Dhabi.
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Now before you scream oil money, just have a look at his wiki page: 14 Middle East rally championships, 18 starts in the WRC, oversees 140 sporting events a year and rejuvenated the Middle East rally championship in the early 10's among a long list of achievements.

and most importantly he's already pissed off hambots by saying he will look into Merc not showing up to the Gala and not in harsh terms either. Which has lead to idiots upset by the 'non following' of rules last Sunday wanting his first act to be not following the rules.

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Also I just have something to say about the football comparisons, they can't even get them right, there have been championships which go into the last match still undecided and have they never heard of Fergie time? Have they never seen a penalty which should have been a free kick or vice versa? Just makes you want to start shouting "NORMIES RAUS!".
I admit when I heard some middle eastern guy was becoming the president I was worried it was some sportswashing hack brought in for the money, but this guy seems pretty qualified. Let’s see how it goes.
 
Hamilton? In a stock-car? As in, an identical car to everyone else? You expect him to drive the regular stuff the other riff-raff is using?!

IIRC, there was a one-off exhibition, where Tony Stewart and Lewis Hamilton (I think) did a seat swap for an event at Watkins Glen. I don't remember how well Hambone handled driving the NASCAR car though.
 
Schumacher 2002 had much more perilous odds, was a real nail biter.
Schumacher 2002 raises a good point:

In Austria, Barrichelo was told to let Schumacher pass. Schumacher """won""" the race and during the celebrations, he switched places with Barrichelo. FIA fined Ferrari a million bucks for that.

If you can fine Ferrari in that situation, you sure as fuck can slap Mercedes with a million bucks for not showing up at this weeks celebration. Deduce it from their annual funds for next year, just to really piss them off. Maybe that would be a great idea in general: Fines against the team are deduced from their annual funds. It doesn't matter if a team has to pay 25k bucks for some stupid thing, but if that means maybe not being able to replace a few bits of carbon in the last race, that'll be a whole different matter.
 
Whatever the punishment ends up being they can't let them off nor can it just be a slap on the wrists or they could get into a situation where teams and drivers just blow it off claiming some grievance and make a farce of the whole thing. Add on to that Merc refusing to show up to a photo shoot with not just their F1 car but also their formula E WCC winning car because of what happened in F1.

Mercedes are there breaching their contracts with the rights holders and the FIA rules over a result not going their way.
 
Whatever the punishment ends up being they can't let them off nor can it just be a slap on the wrists or they could get into a situation where teams and drivers just blow it off claiming some grievance and make a farce of the whole thing. Add on to that Merc refusing to show up to a photo shoot with not just their F1 car but also their formula E WCC winning car because of what happened in F1.

Mercedes are there breaching their contracts with the rights holders and the FIA rules over a result not going their way.
When you take all this, the things Wolff said repeatedly in the aftermath that outright made claims that FIA violated rules and so on, a full season DSQ for the team becomes more and more appropriate. I mean, it's the thermo-nuclear option for FIA to tell them to get their shit together and that this behaviour will not be tolerated, they could throw out a large fine or something, but I feel hitting them in the wallet is not going to hit them as hard as bitchslapping them from the entire season. Would be fun if Bottas kept his trophy and position, cause he fulfilled his end of the deal.

I don't think it's appropriate just now, but some punishment is due and it should not be a slap on the wrist either. It should be unpleasant enough to make anyone think twice before they start bitching the way Wolff did. Maybe ban Wolff from the paddock for a few races in 2022.

FFS, now that I think about it, Wolff said that his integrity towards Lewis forbids him from participating in the FIA ceremony, yet Bottas went there and did his part. Kinda hilarious. I really hope Bottas will spill the beans on the dramaqueen in a few years once he retired from the sport.
 
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Yeah shipping them of their 2021 contractors win in F1 would be a massive punishment and would definitely be a deterrent against this sort of blatant poor sportsmanship. That's all it needs to be really, it will hurt them financially but the ego hit would be much more profound.
I can't see that happening. Even if M-B was stripped of their 2021 Constructors' championship, it still won't stop Toto from carrying on like a spoiled brat. No shit, Toto makes Flavio Briatore look lovable in comparison.
 
Thing is, after the ceremony, everything becomes set in stone, so to speak.
No appeal could now take away Verstappen's title, and neither can the FIA now disqualify Mercedes, I hadn't thought of that myself, so whatever they do would have to be a monetary punishment or something that applies to next season.

Maybe that would be even funnier, if FIA dishes out a punishment that pretty much gimps Mercedes from the get-go.
 
Realistically, I don't see Hamilton walking. I think him and Toto both are simply massive drama queens at heart and want to draw out the process of being sore losers so they can put an asterisk next to Max's win. Merc definitely wanted to push to get an 8th championship this year for him because next year's car is going to be too much of a wild card.

Anyways here's my real take from Abu Dhabi.
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Realistically, I don't see Hamilton walking. I think him and Toto both are simply massive drama queens at heart and want to draw out the process of being sore losers so they can put an asterisk next to Max's win. Merc definitely wanted to push to get an 8th championship this year for him because next year's car is going to be too much of a wild card.

Anyways here's my real take from Abu Dhabi.

I can't see him walking by virtue of him signing a 2 year contract last year: one year to win the title again (lol), another to feel out what F1 looks like under the new regs and decide if he wants to keep going or call it a day there. Before this year I was certain he'd be here until the end of 2022 and my stance remains unchanged.

I'm not sure what he's seeking to achieve from the threat. Maybe he's high enough off his US marketability that he doesn't realise that F1 will do just fine without him, like it did just fine without Prost, Senna, Schumacher and every other legend.
 
Even the team principals rate Vestappen higher than lewlew.

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I'm not sure what he's seeking to achieve from the threat

I think it's an attempt at influencing the FIA probe. All this talk of hambone leaving was after tha FIA announced a look at the even and clarification of the rules. It might also be an attempt to look beaten down so any punishment for not turning up to the gala like a little bitch will be the FIA being big meanies. Either way it all feels like some cheap manipulation tactics that overplay has importance to the sport.
 
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I can't see him walking by virtue of him signing a 2 year contract last year: one year to win the title again (lol), another to feel out what F1 looks like under the new regs and decide if he wants to keep going or call it a day there. Before this year I was certain he'd be here until the end of 2022 and my stance remains unchanged.

I'm not sure what he's seeking to achieve from the threat. Maybe he's high enough off his US marketability that he doesn't realise that F1 will do just fine without him, like it did just fine without Prost, Senna, Schumacher and every other legend.
He's well paid enough he could pay whatever fee for breaking the contract if he really wanted to, but I agree that he's probably going to stay. As for why? Its all about getting his fanbase riled up so they threaten to quit watching F1 if he gets penalized/walks. If your favorite driver leaving is all it takes for you to quit watching F1, you're a fan of a driver not the sport.
 
Am I the only one that got the vibe "Why yes, I am a mustache twirling supervillain. How could you tell?" from Toto in that "press interview" video? The black turttleneck, white background, his accent and demeanor, straight out of a Bond movie lol
 
Thing is, after the ceremony, everything becomes set in stone, so to speak.
No appeal could now take away Verstappen's title, and neither can the FIA now disqualify Mercedes, I hadn't thought of that myself, so whatever they do would have to be a monetary punishment or something that applies to next season.

Maybe that would be even funnier, if FIA dishes out a punishment that pretty much gimps Mercedes from the get-go.

In an ideal world, the punishment would be similar to the fate that befell anyone whose car broke down on one of those Top Gear specials, and who was then forced to complete the remainder of the challenges in a Fiat Punto, or something equally shit. A season spent attempting to warm the tires of a Mastercard Lola, by frantically blowing on them, would be a humbling experience for Hamilton and amusing for everybody else.

I daresay the actual outcome will be a stern warning and a fine. The FIA can't be seen to go in too hard. A pre-season driver and/or constructors points deduction, or first race grid demotion, might also blow up in their face if Mercedes lean into their underdog status and spin a narrative around clawing back the loss against unfavourable odds (while failing to acknowledge their massive team budget and resources).

In the FIA's shoes I would begin by requesting formal public statements from Mercedes and Hamilton, explaining why he failed to attend the Gala. This would allow the FIA to appear magnanimous while placing Mercedes and the former World Champion on the backfoot.

If either Mercedes or Hamilton refused to acknowledge the request for a written explanation, then this snub could be used as justification for a harsher punishment, for bringing the sport into disrepute. If they were to claim they did not attend the gala in protest over the result of the race, then they would have to explain why they withdrew from a formal dispute, and instead chose to express their disagreement by failing to turn up at the Gala - an act that is regarded by many as petty and unsportsmanlike behaviour. If Mercedes then claimed they withdrew from the dispute because they believed that the process would be biased, that would potentially shine a bright light on past decisions by the FIA that were either resolved in their favour, or occasions where accusations against the team we're not investigated properly, if at all. They would end up coming across as entitled and devious.

Essentially, both Hamilton and Mercedes would appear childish and incapable of losing with grace if they failed to issue words to the effect of: 'We were all left deeply butthurt by the manner in which the championship concluded, to the extent that it would not have been comfortable for us to remain sitting down at the Gala for long periods. Regrettably our engineers were unable to create a solution that would have eased the tension on our ravaged buttholes, leaving us with no option other than to withdraw.

The more corporate 'sorry, not sorry' double-speak, and media training platitudes, that Mercedes and Hamilton engage in, the more pathetic they will appear. It's probably beginning to dawn on them now that throwing their toys out of the pram in public was a poorly thought out strategy.

Hamilton might do well to recall the numerous occasions where Bottas has been made to eat shit in order to assist him in his world championship bids, and has done so with humility and mostly without complaint.
 
In an ideal world, the punishment would be similar to the fate that befell anyone whose car broke down on one of those Top Gear specials, and who was then forced to complete the remainder of the challenges in a Fiat Punto, or something equally shit. A season spent attempting to warm the tires of a Mastercard Lola, by frantically blowing on them, would be a humbling experience for Hamilton and amusing for everybody else.

I daresay the actual outcome will be a stern warning and a fine. The FIA can't be seen to go in too hard. A pre-season driver and/or constructors points deduction, or first race grid demotion, might also blow up in their face if Mercedes lean into their underdog status and spin a narrative around clawing back the loss against unfavourable odds (while failing to acknowledge their massive team budget and resources).

In the FIA's shoes I would begin by requesting formal public statements from Mercedes and Hamilton, explaining why he failed to attend the Gala. This would allow the FIA to appear magnanimous while placing Mercedes and the former World Champion on the backfoot.

If either Mercedes or Hamilton refused to acknowledge the request for a written explanation, then this snub could be used as justification for a harsher punishment, for bringing the sport into disrepute. If they were to claim they did not attend the gala in protest over the result of the race, then they would have to explain why they withdrew from a formal dispute, and instead chose to express their disagreement by failing to turn up at the Gala - an act that is regarded by many as petty and unsportsmanlike behaviour. If Mercedes then claimed they withdrew from the dispute because they believed that the process would be biased, that would potentially shine a bright light on past decisions by the FIA that were either resolved in their favour, or occasions where accusations against the team we're not investigated properly, if at all. They would end up coming across as entitled and devious.

Essentially, both Hamilton and Mercedes would appear childish and incapable of losing with grace if they failed to issue words to the effect of: 'We were all left deeply butthurt by the manner in which the championship concluded, to the extent that it would not have been comfortable for us to remain sitting down at the Gala for long periods. Regrettably our engineers were unable to create a solution that would have eased the tension on our ravaged buttholes, leaving us with no option other than to withdraw.

The more corporate 'sorry, not sorry' double-speak, and media training platitudes, that Mercedes and Hamilton engage in, the more pathetic they will appear. It's probably beginning to dawn on them now that throwing their toys out of the pram in public was a poorly thought out strategy.

Hamilton might do well to recall the numerous occasions where Bottas has been made to eat shit in order to assist him in his world championship bids, and has done so with humility and mostly without complaint.
I like the idea to demand a formal, public statement... but I still think that if the answer somehow disrespects FIA's decisions or publically calls them out in an unacceptable manner, I would ban them from the opening race or something. FIA has to react, not only to the refusal to participate in the Gala and the photoshooting, but also to the kind of mud Wolff has been flinging at FIA.

It's unacceptable and while I used to be sort of indifferent to Mercedes as a team, I now openly dislike them.

Just for good measure, FIA should impound the current car and go over it with a microscope and test the shit out of it, just to see if everything is up to code.
 
FIA has to react, not only to the refusal to participate in the Gala and the photoshooting, but also to the kind of mud Wolff has been flinging at FIA.
After how they came down on Horner after criticizing the incident Qatar, the lack of response to Wolff publicly slagging the FiA is baffling. I get needing to back up your people on the ground, but when you've got the principal of one of the biggest teams openly shit talking the system because he didn't get his way you can't let it slide.
 
After how they came down on Horner after criticizing the incident Qatar, the lack of response to Wolff publicly slagging the FiA is baffling. I get needing to back up your people on the ground, but when you've got the principal of one of the biggest teams openly shit talking the system because he didn't get his way you can't let it slide.
It's not just the biggest team.

It's the oldest brand of cars, one of the oldest brands in motor sports, a record breaking team with an unbroken series of titles in F1. They have been dominating F1 for almost an entire decade and they are now behaving like a mopey kid that wanted two treats, only got one and then kicked over a bookshelf in a tantrum. How the bigwigs at Mercedes don't look at this and wrangle in their Toto-Tard is beyond me.
 
Seriously these are idiots who've only just turned up since the turbo-hybrid era. Before all the "it's not my race let the though" bullshit of the last few years everyone used to defend their position irrelevant of championship status. Its one of the things about the sport DRS and crap tyres has utterly ruined, team mates used to play a much bigger role before it was straight line fly bys by holding people up.

By their bullshit should Alonso and Ocon just have let Hamilton win Hungary? Should Norris and Ricciardo have slowed to let them past at Monza (before the coming together)? Those drivers fighting for their place changed the championship outcome too.

Should Petrov have been required to get out of the way of Alonso in 2010? Because that also decided the championship.

Perez had zero obligation to let hambone through for any reason, he wasn't being lapped the overtake was for position so even if Perez wasn't in a red bull he still could have fought for all he was worth.

These idiots have no idea about the sport and it will be a much better place when Hamilton isn't just handed it so they get bored and fuck off to glory support some other sport.
 
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