Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

[valis]

The rules are the rules.
If you can overrule rules then what's the point of them?
If you want them to race to the end, make that the rules.
You can't have one time where the rules don't apply and one time where it does.
That's inconsistent.

If the rules were applied consistently Hamilton very likely would have been P2 at the end of the first lap after cutting turn 6, and it could have been a completely different race.

Just last week Max not giving a place back after cutting a corner was the trigger for all that chaos that followed and ended up with him effectively being penalised three times for the same thing.

In one of the F2 sprints last week the guy who was leading cut the same corner and didn't have a place to give back to the guy behind and was still penalised five seconds; the race ended under the safety car and though he crossed the line first he ended up with no points because of that penalty. It was really harsh, but them's the rules. Except that this week, apparently, them's not the rules, at least if your name is Hamilton.

If Mercedes succeed in taking this further then the whole race needs to be looked at and not just the last lap. Fine, if they want the positions in lap 57 to be the finishing order, but then Hamilton should get a five second penalty for the lap 1 incident and would just end up lower than second.

They need to have the same team of stewards all season, because the inconsistency from week to week is unfair on the drivers, shit for the fans, and doesn't make the sport look good.

 

[topper]

A petition to have Masi removed
How very surprising
Don't tell me. A discount on a new Mercedes for random signers ?
48 have signed so far. Not exactly overwhelming then as petitions go

Of the calls I've heard between Masi, Mercedes and Red Bull , they sounded like someone diplomatically trying to do his best to umpire in difficult demanding circumstances
Having Toto shouting down his Mic telling Masi the rules as he saw them and that he must have the lineup reformed deserved the reply he got
Diplomacy only gets you so far

Perhaps they should bypass team principals and Mercedes Lawyers should speak directly to FIA Lawyers instead and the title can be decided in court not on the track which appears to be their current choice because it didn't go their way this year


Official complaint on the day which was rejected

Mercedes effectively wanted Masi to declare Hamilton as winner and the safety car would effectively take him past the chequered flag and the race would be over
I'm not sure why Hamilton's race engineer seemed better informed than Toto of what was going on

 

[Coccxys]

Screw it here are some memes, use as you see fit to wind up hambone fanboys.

 

[Quiritium]

It's going to be one salty winter.
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Petition · Michael Masi to resign as Race Director · Change.org

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Masi finally makes a decision that benefits actual racing and these whiners lose their minds. Just last week I criticized Masi for his decisions interfering in racing, and the dude makes me eat my words this race. Honestly having to deal with these 2 constantly crying in your ears is a full time job in itself, especially Toto.

But oh was it great hearing Toto's cries during the final lap. How can a grown man in such a position behave like that lol, if I was a suit at MB I'd be taking a serious look at his behavior and how it may impact our brand. That sort of crying and headset-destroying rage is not a good look for a brand that claims to be for the "sophisticated nu-male".

 

[Coccxys]

But oh was it great hearing Toto's cries during the final lap. How can a grown man in such a position behave like that lol, if I was a suit at MB I'd be taking a serious look at his behavior and how it may impact our brand. That sort of crying and headset-destroying rage is not a good look for a bran

Toto owns 1/3 of the team so probably bulletproof in that regard.

Meanwhile in the British tabloids


Oh well absolutely no reason for him to have crashed then if he knew the track had corners. All those who've crashed at Monaco just weren't told about the barriers.

 

[SargonF00t]

It was extra sweet to see that Lafiti was driving a Mercedes Benz powered car.

 

[Montalbane]

Hamilton os a bitchmade buckbroken nigger.
And his fans are even more bitchmade and even more niggerers.

 

[The Grognard]

British tabloids are gonna be milking this shit pretty much the whole off-season and I expect this shit to be in every single anglo documentary as either the greatest screw-job of the sport or the moment that Hamilton's decline in F1 started.

 

[Coccxys]

Man I've been harvesting some hard-core salt on twitter today from Hamilton cosksuckers. I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I'm still filled with joy over last race.
The only thing that could have been even more hilarious would have been if Hamilton had deliberately crashed out Max and gotten himself a Schumacher '97 treatment, with a full DSQ from the entire season (and all his records from that time being scrubbed, too).

If Mercedes manages to put together an appeal to FIA's decision, FIA should encourage RBR to appeal the decision to not penalize Mercedes.
Then Mercedes gets their wish and the race is only counted to lap 57, but Hamilton gets a 5 second penalty and ends up like 4th or 5th with Tsunoda on 3rd place.

btw: Nice race from Tsunoda, was really happy for the 4th place and really sad he didn't get to podium. A crash between Hamilton and Verstappen in the last lap to make him move up to second place and Gasly third would have been fucking cool, too.

I'm glad I slept through this one. I don't think I would have been able to handle the drama had I watched it live. Although I do wish I'd seen Toto's REEEEEEEing and Checo proving once again to RBR and Max that he's the best wingman on the grid.

For your viewing pleasure:

I can see why Mercedes are replacing Bottas, if he was up to the job, he could have been in 2nd and protected Lewis from Max.

I can remember in years gone past when David Coulthard & Eddie Irvine for McLaren and Ferrari respectively, provided great cover for their leading teammates.

It is amazing how few times this year, Bottas was able to take points away from Max, without crashing into him.

I think it would be fair to mention that Mercedes has thrown Bottas under the bus a couple of times, especially when the track suited the RB more, they sometimes set up Bottas' car with front and rearwings like snowplows, so he can give Hamilton some great slipstream... at the expense of a shit qualifying for Bottas. In the race, he'd be a sitting duck, overall Bottas was just a waterboy for Hamilton and this season, that actually was the first in 8 years to threaten Mercedes dominance, Mercedes had to sacrifice their wingman for their main driver a couple times...

They replaced him with Russel so they have a young driver that'll be Hamilton's waterboy for a season or two and then replace him.

It was extra sweet to see that Lafiti was driving a Mercedes Benz powered car.

Had it been an Alpha Tauri, many would have assumed foul play... especially since it would be very reminiscent of the Alonso Singapore fiasco...
But since it was Latifi in a Williams, damn, that shuts up every such notion.

as either the greatest screw-job of the sport or the moment that Hamilton's decline in F1 started.

I think it'll be both, first the former, then the latter if Hamilton doesn't manage to get the next title (which isn't entirely unreasonable to assume), this will be seen as first step in his decline.
Can anyone see Hamilton continuing in F1 beyond '22 if he actually has to work for a first place next season? He'll be out of the sport like his ass is on fire.

Man I've been harvesting some hard-core salt on twitter today from Hamilton cosksuckers. I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet.

Tell me about it lol

The cope is fucking real.

And now some videos:

Just check out how the crowd starts to roar, this is giving me goosebumps. This whole last race feels like it was scripted.
Another angle:

Like, imagine this was a sports movie, don't tell me this would not have been the perfect climax for the great happy end. The rookie underdog has a terrible start, has to pull every trick, take every chance, his teammate does the unthinkable and manages to fight off the old champion and at the end, a last second safety car helps him to fulfill his dream in the very last lap.

Also, I just stumbled over this clip from German Sky. Most of you won't understand German, but I think the rollercoaster of emotions in the first minute while Perez fends off Hamilton transcends any language barrier:

It starts out with both commentators calmly remarking that Perez won't be able to put up much of a fight, especially given DRS and the advantage that Hamilton has... and then Perez just starts to squeeze the last ounce of performance from his car and tyres. Seriously, there is not a single other driver in F1 that can maintain his tyres as well as Perez - I would not be surprised to see him do a zero stop race on soft tyres, the mad Mexican would somehow still make those rubbers his bitch and stay in the top 10.

 

[LetterlandMafia]

Tell me about it lol
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The cope is fucking real.

The best cope is to be found from the legion of dindus who have no interest in F1 other than Black Man Win. It's brought their entire world crashing down.

You're also right about Tsunoda as well. He's been finding his feet more and more towards the end of this season. Not sure how high he can go but definitely think he can become a mainstay of the grid.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

You're also right about Tsunoda as well. He's been finding his feet more and more towards the end of this season. Not sure how high he can go but definitely think he can become a mainstay of the grid.

Yeah, I'd love to see Tsunoda get on podiums or maybe even winning a title if for no other reason than to see Japanese fans go wild.
Those guys are so passionate about things, can you imagine how utterly out of this world they'd be if a Japanese driver competed for a title?

Edit:

Kimi heading home from Yas Marina with his family.

Damnit, I'm not crying, it's just... the wind got in my eyes...

 

[Coccxys]

More British tabloids circle jerk nonsense:

The mirror


Oh he's totally getting the sake for it, source:


Yup, the motherfucking Sun. Go on then I'll bite:


Oh yeah he's totally done. Where is this coming from though?


Oh right, the FIA are electing a new president and there is some nebulous pressure to remove him...

I swear the tabloids in this country are becoming worse than buzzed et al.

Go on then tabloids who is going to take over. It's no small job and carried huge responsibilities. You can't just get anyone to be incharge of safety for a sport that has a very real risk of killing and maiming people. What's your solutions then?

 

[The Grognard]

Yeah, I'd love to see Tsunoda get on podiums or maybe even winning a title if for no other reason than to see Japanese fans go wild.
Those guys are so passionate about things, can you imagine how utterly out of this world they'd be if a Japanese driver competed for a title?

Japanese drivers in F1 have been divided into roughly two types:

1. The ones who can drive but only ever get mediocre to bad seats. This is where Aguri Suzuki, Takuma Sato and Kamui Kobayashi are at. They tend to make a name for themselves in sports cars and american open wheels after their F1 careers didn't go anywhere thanks to them having to drive for teams that couldn't develop a car, failed to exploit opportunities given to them or need money more than talent. They tend to be fondly remembered for having those hard-charger qualities that you don't see with a lot of other drivers.

2. Ones with all the money and none of the talent. This is the where all Kazuki Nakajimas, Yuji Ides and Taki Inoues exist. They come in backed by some rich sponsor, maybe have a bronze in some Junior Formula category, fart around the back of the grid for a season or two and then get utterly forgotten unless they end up blooming late and become relevant in some other motorsport.

In the past, the ones who can drive end up being outnumbered by those with the money but no talent for some unfathomable reason. The only country with a similar problem is Italy and most of those rich idiots stopped coming in to the sport by the 1990s.

 

[Coccxys]

I definitely think Tsunoda has a great deal of tallent, the overtakes he was pulling off in F2 speak to that. He just had an unfortunately slow start to the season but has been seeming to find his feet. Thank god Marko has either learnt his lesson or run clean out of junior drivers so is giving him more time.

 

[The Grognard]

I definitely think Tsunoda has a great deal of tallent, the overtakes he was pulling off in F2 speak to that. He just had an unfortunately slow start to the season but has been seeming to find his feet. Thank god Marko has either learnt his lesson or run clean out of junior drivers so is giving him more time.

He is def part of the first category, his only real problem is his inconsistency and rawness. Pierre Gasly is a very good comparison point for someone like him because he is pretty much a complete package of a driver and has more than a few years under his belt. IMO he's about 2 years away from being really good since he's got very good fundamentals and tenacious defense.

It does help that the other guys who are on RBR's junior program haven't really turned out well or have gotten kicked out of it for inadequate performance. Dan Ticktum is a good example of someone who is very much an F1-tier talent but isn't of the correct personality for their or any other team's tastes.

 

[Pee Cola]

I definitely think Tsunoda has a great deal of tallent, the overtakes he was pulling off in F2 speak to that. He just had an unfortunately slow start to the season but has been seeming to find his feet. Thank god Marko has either learnt his lesson or run clean out of junior drivers so is giving him more time.

My gut tells me that is Tsunoda doesn't improve in the next couple of seasons, he'll be yeeted and Jack Doohan will be installed in his place.

As for Japanese F1 drivers, I don't believe I will ever see a Japanese WDC in my lifetime. This is coming from someone who is old enough to remember Satoru Nakajima, so I've seen a few Japanese F1 hopefuls in my time.

Dan Ticktum is a good example of someone who is very much an F1-tier talent but isn't of the correct personality for their or any other team's tastes.

Even by English standards, Dan Ticktum is a dick.

 

[Coccxys]

My gut tells me that is Tsunoda doesn't improve in the next couple of seasons, he'll be yeeted and Jack Doohan will be installed in his

As long as they don't just stick Daruvala in there. Guy is OK for F2 but not F1 tier but somehow has this crazy level of hype among the F1 punditry.

The F1 junior program just sucks, it's a pressure cooker than for every Vettel and Vestappen turns out many more absolute duds while people they eject do well in other set ups.

That said better that than the Alpine junior program which really is just a dead end, Piastri should absolutely be sat in one of the 20 seats next season but got shafted by China money/influence for a driver who's going to be destroyed by Bottas (and if Haas make a decent car probably mazepin too).

 

[Pee Cola]

As long as they don't just stick Daruvala in there. Guy is OK for F2 but not F1 tier but somehow has this crazy level of hype among the F1 punditry.

As I've said previously Doohan has the talent (which is obvious), the backing (Red Bull) and the name (son of 5 time MotoGP champion) behind him. I'd be shocked if he AlphaTauri didn't give him an F1 drive by 2024 at the latest.

There's a reason why Michael Schumacher named his son after Mick Doohan.

The F1 junior program just sucks, it's a pressure cooker than for every Vettel and Vestappen turns out many more absolute duds while people they eject do well in other set ups.

It depends on how far the apple falls from the tree with Jack. His old man got seriously fucked up in an accident before making a comeback and winning his championships. If Jack is only 10% as ballsy as his dad was in his prime, the RBR junior program will turn him into a future WDC champion.

That said better that than the Alpine junior program which really is just a dead end, Piastri should absolutely be sat in one of the 20 seats next season but got shafted by China money/influence for a driver who's going to be destroyed by Bottas (and if Haas make a decent car probably mazepin too).

The best Piastri can hope for is for Alonso to retire again. Ocon isn't going anywhere because he's French, and Alpine seem a bit more dogmatic about keeping at least one French driver in their team than Ferrari does about keeping at least one Italian driver in theirs.

 

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