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The reason why the second protest was denied

"The Stewards consider that the protest is admissible."

"Having considered the various statements made by the parties the Stewards determine the following:"

"That Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal."

"That although Article 48.12 may not have been applied fully, in relation to the safety car returning to the pits at the end of the following lap, Article 48.13 overrides that and once the message 'Safety Car in this lap' has been displayed, it is mandatory to withdraw the safety car at the end of that lap."

"That notwithstanding Mercedes' request that the Stewards remediate the matter by amending the classification to reflect the positions at the end of the penultimate lap, this is a step that the Stewards believe is effectively shortening the race retrospectively, and hence not appropriate."

"Accordingly, the Protest is dismissed. The Protest Deposit is not refunded."

So in essence it was a big "FUCK YOU!" of Masi to Toto Wolff.
 
Won't have time to protest it any higher either. Once Max is confirmed on Thursday it cannot be overturned and good luck getting lawyers and a court to turn around even the simplest case in that time frame.

Even if Max was planning on running 33 next year he needs to take the number 1 just to make all the Hamilton cock suckers seeth constantly.
 
FIA broke their own rules they made for everyone but themselves to follow.
Good lord has the FIA ever been good for F1?

"Oh yes we absolutely messed up but we have a rule in place that says we have no responsibility to uphold those rules if we ever break them"

Sack every member of the stewards.
Charlie Whiting must be rolling in his grave.

Pro Max or pro lewis, it doesn't matter.
Everyone should be rightfully going after the stewards and race control for this farce.
 
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God dammit, I'm going to post this image again...

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Toto you thought the FIA was your ally. But you merely pestered the FIA. I owned it. Ruled it. Who else can lecture the FIA on how to properly measure barge boards?
 
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I wonder how merc is gonna try to protest "overriding authority"
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Not sure but the QC they brought with them is the same one that got Citeh out of a champion league football ban...

Why yes Merc brought a lawyer with them.

Coccxys said:
Even if Max was planning on running 33 next year he needs to take the number 1 just to make all the Hamilton cock suckers seeth constantly.
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It has been too long since the Number 1 has been on a car.
 
They said to go when the lapped cars were unlapping themselves though right?
By all means there should be a SC until everything is all good to go.
The FIA can just overrule that for what reason?

It just reeks of incompetence or trying to make a NASCAR moment.
My problem isn't that Hamilton hasn't won, I've been a neutral when it comes to Max Vs Lewis as I enjoy both.
Max will take over when Lewis is gone.

My problem is the fact this is happening.
That rules are inconsistent.
We should be congratulating Max, saying bye to Kimi.

Nope, we are STILL arguing.
 
I feel FIA wasn't fags for once by allowing a couple cars to pass and give Max and Hamilton a last lap driving in anger right next to each other on the grid.
FIA had to find middle ground and I see no violation of the rules, they can call in the safety car at any point and they can allow cars to unlap or not. They did it selectively in this situation, since there was no time to do it the normal route, which is better than ending behind a safety car or having them restart with a shitton of lapped cars in between the two title contenders.

FIA could go one way that would help Hamilton or the other that helps Verstappen. They went with the decision that would allow the title contenders to actually race against each other, I would call that the best decision given the situation. Rules sometimes have to be applied in "dynamic" ways to address certain circumstances. That's what happened now.

Minx95 said:
We should be congratulating Max, saying bye to Kimi.

Nope, we are STILL arguing.
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The only one arguing in this thread is you though.
 
The Barhain fiasco and now this.
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But for today, I'm celebrating, because Hamilton lost
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Just accept it Mercedes.
Both teams crying about everything every race.
Red Bull would do the same if the situation was flipped.

Lewis has accepted it, he'll come back in 2022.
This is why I don't follow F1 much nowadays, I can't take the obsessive autistic fandoms, teams appealing every five minutes and the stewards being incompetent when implementing rules.
 
The FIA has made the best choice out of the lot and I'm happy about that. Max won the race on track, let it stand.
I just hate how they had to make that choice in the first place.
By the rules the race should end under SC but they decided to overrule it and got us into this mess.
Lewis was ahead so therefore had the FIA not made the decision he'd be champion.
That to me would be a better choice than allowing all this chaos.
Its how the 2012 championship ended and no one was bothered by that.
Imagine if Vettel got caught up in an incident if they had one last lap.
Would suck.

This goes back to my NASCAR problem.
You have guys who dominate the entire race who lose it due to a "debris caution"
You have Kevin Harvick dominating last year and not win the title.
It causes utter autism and chaos.

The rules are the rules.
If you can overrule rules then what's the point of them?
If you want them to race to the end, make that the rules.
You can't have one time where the rules don't apply and one time where it does.
That's inconsistent.
 
Carlos Sainz' post race radio is so wholesome:


Minx95 said:
By the rules the race should end under SC
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That's just plain not true.

Minx95 said:
Lewis was ahead so therefore had the FIA not made the decision he'd be champion.
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So what? If his tyre had blown out, you want FIA to go "Oh well, he lead the entire race, so we'll just end the race right here and only count the last lap he finished"?

It's called motor racing.

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Imagine if Vettel got caught up in an incident if they had one last lap.
Would suck.
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Yeah it would suck, but that's just how racing is sometimes. How many titles were not won due to bad luck at the wrong moment? How many races were lost due to a last-lap tyre blowout?

Minx95 said:
You have guys who dominate the entire race who lose it due to a "debris caution"

You have Kevin Harvick dominating last year and not win the title.
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Doesn't matter, this is a race till the end and whoever reaches the checkered flag first wins. If it's the guy who was 20th the entire race and he somehow ended up in front by some weird twist of fate, that's just how it is.

I really don't get why you're so mad about this.
 
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Mercedes won't succeed . The result will remain as it stands . Yes I'm sure Mercedes would have preferred the safety car shepherding Hamilton home to a win. But that isn't their call . I'm sure they would also have preferred the group of back markers to effectively stall an actual race to the finish for max and Hamilton but again that's not a call they can make
Had Mercedes brought Hamilton in for new tyres the end result may have been different even though he would have lost track position as his race engineer told him, but that's not the call they made . They chose track position instead , that was their call
Masi made the decision of effectively allowing one race lap after the safety car which seems to be a fair one rather than a tense final being ended under the safety car. The result of that one lap was by no means certain , but Mercedes chose not to pit for fresh tyres to keep track position. Their choice .
 
I just hope the FIA/Race Control/ Stewards learn from this.
We've had these problems in Barhain. So you can extend but then you can't?
If you want to race to the end have that as the rules.
Make overtime if you want, as much as I believe the winner is whoever finishes first after completing the required distance.
Thing is, they don't.
They make things up as they go along.
 
Man that's some hard-core seething you have going on there. Sorry but hambon lost, his luck this season has been immense and should not have even made it to the final race in mathematical contention but it finally ran out.

When the safety car period ends is race director's discretion as it should be, he decided it should end at the end of lap 57 and that the track was safe enough for lapped cars to unlap themselves. It would have been against the rules to extend the safety car period as noted by the stewards.

But hey cry moar about consistency while remembering a 200 mph PIT maneuver that sent the other driver to hospital got the same penalty as having a dipshit who doesn't know how to drive around a slower car smash into the back of you.

Now let's look at the purpose of the rules rather than artistically going "but muh rules"

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Yup the rule was brought in precisely to stop lapped cars impacting the saftey car restart, did it manage that in this case? Yes it did.

There is also a long standing preference to end the race under green conditions that has gone back since the safety car was pretty much invented. Leading to such interesting results as Schumacher in Monaco 2010 where they royally fucked it up and no one knew what was happening.

So let's look at the events:

- Saftey car in this lap message given.
- the track becomes safe to Masi's satisfaction such that lapped cars can now unlap themselves.
- the rule regarding when the safety car comes in after the message takes precedent over that of when it should come in following unlapped cars coming in.
- safety car comes in.
- Mercedes fan boys start crying due to a decision not favouring them for once and for the first time in their desperate glory supporting F1 history have to see a non-merc driver win a championship.
 
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