Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

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Just let this sink in: Mercedes called him into the box in lap 42. Hamilton, very indignantly went "Why?".
He then pitted in lap 51 and started bitching about the late pitstop in lap 52. Fuck this clown and fuck his bloated, undeserved ego.


They also did not waste any opportunity to call him "Sir Lewis". It's so fucking annoying and the day when this asshole fucks off to be a nuisance outside of F1 will be a golden day for the sport. Let's just hope this unbearable hypocrite and hack doesn't become commentator, his input would be even more vapid than Crofty's.
The moment you said that commenter bit I got this sinking feeling... I think I now know what Obi-Wan felt when Alderaan was destroyed lol
 
It's too bad they didn't let Hamilton go to the end. There's a chance he would have made it, but there's a better chance that his tires would have either failed or become so unusable that he lost out worse than P5. Especially since he would have been forced to race hard at the very end when his tires were at their worst.

I feel like I was robbed, his seethe over the radio after his ego fucked him would have been tasty.
 
It's too bad they didn't let Hamilton go to the end. There's a chance he would have made it, but there's a better chance that his tires would have either failed or become so unusable that he lost out worse than P5. Especially since he would have been forced to race hard at the very end when his tires were at their worst.

I feel like I was robbed, his seethe over the radio after his ego fucked him would have been tasty.
No team can make it when people start going "told you so", but I'll be damned if I, in the role of the radio guy, would not have been tempted to go "Whether you pit for new tyres or not is your call, just be advised that we assume it would be best to pit now." and then lean back. If I wasn't before, I'd certainly be tempted going forward after this pissmop went full blown whiny voice "wE sHoUlD hAvE pItTeD eArLiEr". Yeah. You should have. Your tacticians told you so. You didn't want to. They called you in at least 3 times. You said no. Carry the fucking consequences.
You guys know I'm a Vettel fanboy, but fuck me. Dude at least owned the mistaken tyre gamble.
 
No team can make it when people start going "told you so", but I'll be damned if I, in the role of the radio guy, would not have been tempted to go "Whether you pit for new tyres or not is your call, just be advised that we assume it would be best to pit now." and then lean back. If I wasn't before, I'd certainly be tempted going forward after this pissmop went full blown whiny voice "wE sHoUlD hAvE pItTeD eArLiEr". Yeah. You should have. Your tacticians told you so. You didn't want to. They called you in at least 3 times. You said no. Carry the fucking consequences.
You guys know I'm a Vettel fanboy, but fuck me. Dude at least owned the mistaken tyre gamble.
You think he would at least have in mind the previous GP, where it was his team ordering him to pit that gave him the victory. But with all his supposed experience he's still making mistakes that many lambasted Norris for in Russia. And Norris admitted to being responsible for his loss (in the post race interviews you could see the PR formatting coming through with the "we" replies but he quickly corrected himself and said "I"), unlike Hambone who still says "we" as in "the team, not me".
 
Next season's (provisional) calendar is out.

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If I ain't too stoned (or not stoned enough), by my count there will be 8 double-headers and no triples. Also note that China out and Imola in as replacement.

I was just coming here to post this, but ya beat me to it! So, here is F2/F3 scheds as bonus! LOL Nine weekends will be all 3 series, and 5 will be F2 only. No more F3 only as support act.

2022 Formula 2 and Formula 3 calendars​

DateCountryCircuitFormula 2 raceFormula 3 race
19/03/2021BahrainBahrain International Circuit1: Sprint race1: Sprint race
20/03/2021BahrainBahrain International Circuit2: Feature race2: Feature race
26/03/2021Saudi ArabiaJeddah Corniche Circuit3: Sprint race
27/03/2021Saudi ArabiaJeddah Corniche Circuit4: Feature race
23/04/2021ItalyImola5: Sprint race3: Sprint race
24/04/2021ItalyImola6: Feature race4: Feature race
21/05/2021SpainCircuit de Catalunya7: Sprint race5: Sprint race
22/05/2021SpainCircuit de Catalunya8: Feature race6: Feature race
28/05/2021MonacoMonaco9: Sprint race
29/05/2021MonacoMonaco10: Feature race
11/06/2021AzerbaijanBaku City Circuit11: Sprint race
12/06/2021AzerbaijanBaku City Circuit12: Feature race
02/07/2021Great BritainSilverstone13: Sprint race7: Sprint race
03/07/2021Great BritainSilverstone14: Feature race8: Feature race
09/07/2021AustriaRed Bull Ring15: Sprint race9: Sprint race
10/07/2021AustriaRed Bull Ring16: Feature race10: Feature race
30/07/2021HungaryHungaroring17: Sprint race11: Sprint race
31/07/2021HungaryHungaroring18: Feature race12: Feature race
27/08/2021BelgiumSpa-Francorchamps19: Sprint race13: Sprint race
28/08/2021BelgiumSpa-Francorchamps20: Feature race14: Feature race
03/09/2021NetherlandsZandvoort21: Sprint race15: Sprint race
04/09/2021NetherlandsZandvoort22: Feature race16: Feature race
10/09/2021ItalyMonza23: Sprint race17: Sprint race
11/09/2021ItalyMonza24: Feature race18: Feature race
24/09/2021RussiaSochi Autodrom25: Sprint race
25/09/2021RussiaSochi Autodrom26: Feature race
19/11/2021UAEYas Marina27: Sprint race
20/11/2021UAEYas Marina28: Feature race
Here is the Miami layout FYI. The straights from 8 to T11 and the back straight look fast at least. It'd be cool if there were elevation changes I bet, sadly that won't happen with a street course. But looks interesting at least, hopefully its quite wide and not Monaco level width! HAHA
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Miami looks rough. first its a 'street circuit' for 8-11 and 16 and 17, so another parking lot race.
Second the 16-17 straight is guaranteed DRS overtake, so more artificial fun. although it could be gnarly Talladega style drafting which would be cool
third the 1-16 complex looks slow af and the chicane looks like it will kill battles going into 16 and the straight
ironically if you look at google maps 11 and 12 cut thru a makeshift karting track
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idk im just an american fan sperging . i just want a race at a historic track like Glen, Sonoma, Long Beach, Daytona road course, or fuck it take it back to the '50s and race on Daytona beach
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Why can't F1 just be as daft as Motorsport Australia are, with going to Mount Panorama (Bathurst) for the 1k this year and bringing every support series imaginable: Dunlop Super 2 Series, Porsche Carrera Cup, Toyota Gazoo Racing 86 Series, TCR Australia, Touring Car Masters, S5000, GT World Challenge Australia, V8 SuperUtes and Trans Am.
The S5000 especially draws my attention being an open wheel formula with the old screamer engines, there's a lot of parts of that track where I would be scared in one of those. And fucking Trans Am, a historically purely American series that barely crossed the border north, sanctioned by the SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) and has squandered in obscurity since it's glory days of the 60s through 80s.

Miami looks rough. first its a 'street circuit' for 8-11 and 16 and 17, so another parking lot race.
Second the 16-17 straight is guaranteed DRS overtake, so more artificial fun. although it could be gnarly Talladega style drafting which would be cool
third the 1-16 complex looks slow af and the chicane looks like it will kill battles going into 16 and the straight
ironically if you look at google maps 11 and 12 cut thru a makeshift karting track
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idk im just an american fan sperging . i just want a race at a historic track like Glen, Sonoma, Long Beach, Daytona road course, or fuck it take it back to the '50s and race on Daytona beach
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Doesn't even have to be a historic or legacied American track, The Ridge out in Washington state opened in 2012 and I've loved every bit of racing I've seen there, Pocono's infield road course makes up for something brilliant - admittedly I've only seen it in old sports cars in that case.
Also for reference, here's F1's simulated on-board lap to demonstrate how super cool Miami is going to be, and no amount of sarcastically using a smiling emoji can suitably communicate how I feel about it.

I picked one at random an lo and behold:
Virginia Raceway.
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A set of uphill esses, many elevation changes, a small version of the Corkscrew from Laguna Seca, many corners where the apex is also the crest of a hill and a corner literally called "The Bitch".

And what do we get? Miami.
For your viewing pleasure, I bring you a race from just the other week at VIR, as ever IMSA providing great entertainment on these American tracks that those outside of the States would never otherwise hear of because oval racing is viewed as being all there is in the US.
 
Doesn't even have to be a historic or legacied American track, The Ridge out in Washington state opened in 2012 and I've loved every bit of racing I've seen there, Pocono's infield road course makes up for something brilliant - admittedly I've only seen it in old sports cars in that case.
Also for reference, here's F1's simulated on-board lap to demonstrate how super cool Miami is going to be, and no amount of sarcastically using a smiling emoji can suitably communicate how I feel about it.
I can see the marketing campaign: "Miami - At least it's not Sochi". :story:

Maybe the track will surprise us like some others did this season, there is one drawn out left-hander with a very late apex that forces the driver to brake in the middle of the corner, that might turn out to catch a few drivers off guard, but then there's that Mickey Mouse bullshit part with super slow and tight corners...

For your viewing pleasure, I bring you a race from just the other week at VIR, as ever IMSA providing great entertainment on these American tracks that those outside of the States would never otherwise hear of because oval racing is viewed as being all there is in the US.
Oh man, those soft rolling hills are even better than I imagined.
 
Why can't F1 just be as daft as Motorsport Australia are, with going to Mount Panorama (Bathurst) for the 1k this year and bringing every support series imaginable: Dunlop Super 2 Series, Porsche Carrera Cup, Toyota Gazoo Racing 86 Series, TCR Australia, Touring Car Masters, S5000, GT World Challenge Australia, V8 SuperUtes and Trans Am.
The S5000 especially draws my attention being an open wheel formula with the old screamer engines, there's a lot of parts of that track where I would be scared in one of those. And fucking Trans Am, a historically purely American series that barely crossed the border north, sanctioned by the SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) and has squandered in obscurity since it's glory days of the 60s through 80s.


Doesn't even have to be a historic or legacied American track, The Ridge out in Washington state opened in 2012 and I've loved every bit of racing I've seen there, Pocono's infield road course makes up for something brilliant - admittedly I've only seen it in old sports cars in that case.
Also for reference, here's F1's simulated on-board lap to demonstrate how super cool Miami is going to be, and no amount of sarcastically using a smiling emoji can suitably communicate how I feel about it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQrprQNS-c

For your viewing pleasure, I bring you a race from just the other week at VIR, as ever IMSA providing great entertainment on these American tracks that those outside of the States would never otherwise hear of because oval racing is viewed as being all there is in the US.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7V3WZVwgXwI
damn id love to be in the boardroom when they suggested to make the last 2 sectors absurdly narrow.
its like they thought to themselves "man remember Hanoi, the track everyone hated? lets just copy and past assets from that"
 
damn id love to be in the boardroom when they suggested to make the last 2 sectors absurdly narrow.
its like they thought to themselves "man remember Hanoi, the track everyone hated? lets just copy and past assets from that"
Given Hanoi never happened and will never happen, they can't truly learn from that mistake because the mistake never properly happened.
 
Given Hanoi never happened and will never happen, they can't truly learn from that mistake because the mistake never properly happened.
its a shame, we can only imagine the unmitigated disaster it would have been.
-insanely late T1 apex so lap 1 lockups guaranteed
-pitlane feeds directly into T2 racing line
-get on the gas to early and smack the T5 wall
-do the same thing and smack the T9 wall after you scrub the tires in T7
-no braking point on T11 so probably will get rear-ended
-smack the T12 wall
-verstappen and hamilton will 100% try to go 2 wide into T13 and crash/clog the track
-race red flagged within 40 seconds
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In regards to the question "Why does F1 go to these tracks?" is answered in two-fold.

1. These tracks have big money backing them and thus they can afford to set-up whatever venues the grid needs and demands. This is important because the costs of even hosting a race are very expensive and they have hungry promoters who need that crown jewel event that will get at least 200 000 people willing to shell out triple digit sums just to see cars go fast for 2 hours on a sunday. They also tend to be located in places that are reasonably close to a lot of hotels and public transportation capable of handling this mass of people, which is why Road America isn't really considered for an F1 event and why Magny-Cours got dropped because it's located in the closest thing metropolitan France has for bumfuck nowhere.

2. FIA Track Grading system. You have to be Grade 1 in order to even get a race like this and in order to do so, there's a lot of things you have to do in regards to safety, facilities and track design tweaks which costs even more money to do, but is possible for a lot of top-level tracks as long as they can afford it. Everything from the paddock to medical facilities to track marshal posts has to be exactly like FIA requires or you will not get it. They're willing to be flexible on the track requirements as long as they don't run afoul of their safety standards. Laguna Seca for example is not considered to be a safe track for F1 because of the cork-screw being unsafe for F1 + track being too short for a full field of cars and Mount Panorama would require a complete rebuild in order to qualify for the Grade 1 for the necessary amount of run-off to be there.
 
In regards to the question "Why does F1 go to these tracks?" is answered in two-fold.

1. These tracks have big money backing them and thus they can afford to set-up whatever venues the grid needs and demands. This is important because the costs of even hosting a race are very expensive and they have hungry promoters who need that crown jewel event that will get at least 200 000 people willing to shell out triple digit sums just to see cars go fast for 2 hours on a sunday. They also tend to be located in places that are reasonably close to a lot of hotels and public transportation capable of handling this mass of people, which is why Road America isn't really considered for an F1 event and why Magny-Cours got dropped because it's located in the closest thing metropolitan France has for bumfuck nowhere.

2. FIA Track Grading system. You have to be Grade 1 in order to even get a race like this and in order to do so, there's a lot of things you have to do in regards to safety, facilities and track design tweaks which costs even more money to do, but is possible for a lot of top-level tracks as long as they can afford it. Everything from the paddock to medical facilities to track marshal posts has to be exactly like FIA requires or you will not get it. They're willing to be flexible on the track requirements as long as they don't run afoul of their safety standards. Laguna Seca for example is not considered to be a safe track for F1 because of the cork-screw being unsafe for F1 + track being too short for a full field of cars and Mount Panorama would require a complete rebuild in order to qualify for the Grade 1 for the necessary amount of run-off to be there.

I mean sure, but it's weird how the tracks with the best logistics/access to transportation and hotels (and thus the money to go for Grade 1) oftentimes are such boring shit tracks. Like, there is no reason why Hanoi *needs* to be such a shitty track based on the proximity of the stuff that you need for it to be capable to host an F1 race.

In case of Sochi, it was built around an Olympic park to house millions of visitors, so small wonder the logistics are there and the track fucking blows (due to literally being forced to make do with whatever layout the area has with all those sporting ventures)... but that's Sochi. The US of A are fuckhuge, there must be so many awesome tracks with suitable logistics, yet they go for Miami, which just looks lackluster as fuck.
 
I mean sure, but it's weird how the tracks with the best logistics/access to transportation and hotels (and thus the money to go for Grade 1) oftentimes are such boring shit tracks. Like, there is no reason why Hanoi *needs* to be such a shitty track based on the proximity of the stuff that you need for it to be capable to host an F1 race.

In case of Sochi, it was built around an Olympic park to house millions of visitors, so small wonder the logistics are there and the track fucking blows (due to literally being forced to make do with whatever layout the area has with all those sporting ventures)... but that's Sochi. The US of A are fuckhuge, there must be so many awesome tracks with suitable logistics, yet they go for Miami, which just looks lackluster as fuck.
They go to Miami because it's a major vacation spot for people all over the world and Liberty Media thinks it's gonna be a profitable venture instantly. That said, the best place for an F1 race in Florida IMO is Sebring and even then, it's gonna need a repave to be suitable for F1 cars due to it's bumpiness and overhaul of it's facilities to be a viable place.
 
All the F1 click bait outlets are going on about Andretti coming in to challenge the big boys.

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Tell him to go ask Gene about how well "I'm a sucessful 'murican race team owner so I'm totally going to win F1" works out both results wise and financially (prostitute yourself to a Russian oligarch and his kid to be able to remain afloat proping up the back of the grid).
 
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