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With a (questionable) W from James Drake, how would you rate season 5 of Fishtank?

  • 1 Star — Absolute disaster. Unwatchable, boring, production fucked it up bad, the fish were lame

    Votes: 57 7.3%
  • 2 Stars — Pretty bad. Some funny moments, dragged, too many vibe repair days. Barely worth checking.

    Votes: 91 11.7%
  • 3 Stars — Average. Solid entertainment in spots, some good chaos and crashouts, but nothing special

    Votes: 177 22.8%
  • 4 Stars — Really good. Lots of hilarious moments, strong fish personalities, solid content and vibes

    Votes: 406 52.2%
  • 5 Stars — Peak Fishtank / Masterpiece. Non-stop insanity, legendary fish and production, pure chaos

    Votes: 47 6.0%

  • Total voters
    778
Does anyone else think the show is toast and we're never going to see another season?
Especially because we've already seen that Jeet Averageson can't take being made fun of in his own game, and the Epstein allegations aren't exactly going to go away (much like markyposting)
 

Does anyone else think the show is toast and we're never going to see another season?
Especially because we've already seen that Jeet Averageson can't take being made fun of in his own game, and the Epstein allegations aren't exactly going to go away (much like markyposting)
Ill disagree with this is think there's something in the works. Who knows what it'll be but im alright if they take a longer break to get on some stable footing. Personally id like if they just remove jet from production entirely and have him just be the lightning rod for the show.
 
I don't trust them to do any long term setup or get anything going out of state. Every single season has started before the house and site was ready. They plan to do things they never test before going live.
Expecting them to suddenly become competent is naive.
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Personally id like if they just remove jet from production entirely and have him just be the lightning rod for the show.
I just don't see how they're planning to keep Jeet around and not have him end up being the butt of jokes. I think its pretty evident that he can't take a joke and as for Samuel Hydenstein, he still can't explain the Marky shit and it follows him around like herpes but I guess he still gets away with it.

Alternatively he'll just be like so many internet celebrities and be unapologetic, extremely thin skinned, have absolutely no sense of shame/accountability and if anyone dares to joke about it or even mention it he'll permanently ban them and call people "parasocial freaks" (despite the nature of Fishtank relying on that and monetizing it) and say "I didn't even read that" despite knowing all of the details about what is being claimed/said... actually yeah that's probably exactly what is going to happen.
 
Sounds a lot like a lolcow those freaks on Kiwifarms would have fun laughing at.
 
i think S5 is definitely happening, theres no way they can just go ghost like this after promising a HUGE next season where they'll make up for S4's failures. Jet's career would be over, all of production would be out of jobs, and it'd follow Sam around like a dark cloud. my problem is, they need to give us a fucking update. i dont expect the show to start tomorrow, but being left in the dark for four months now without a single update or even confirmation that they're working on the next season is very annoying. communication has always been a problem, and if they truly wanted to right their wrongs they'd acknowledge that and throw us a bone, but we all know that they (especially Jet) have too much pride to give us what we want. it just gives me a bad taste about how S5 will unfold, when it eventually happens.

i feel like the smart thing to do with S5 is go the S3 direction again. the first half or so of S3 was art, one of the most entertaining things i've ever watched, and i think part of the reason for that is that theres nothing else out there thats remotely like it. will they, though? i have my doubts. i think they probably struggled a lot with casting a bunch of clueless people (hell, Ted and Binx fell through the cracks) and keeping the show going when they had normies on who felt they were deceived, so they'll probably go with more of a fantank approach from now on to make the casting easier while they work on other aspects of the show. not that it cant be good as fantank, but i feel like after the cluster fuck of a year that 2025 has been for the show, people are going to want an S tier season or they'll be turned off, and the S3 format has more overall potential (and to be fair, also more risk). the show isnt a novel concept anymore, we're approaching three years since S1, therefore one more half-assed season could be one of the final nails in the coffin.

and yes, i think Jeet needs to take more of a backseat role in future seasons. hes way too sensitive, and blocking hundreds of fans on twitter when your show already has a niche fanbase is the definition of shooting yourself in the foot. not to mention, hes just not as likeable as Sam and Ben. when you're viewed in a negative light by much of the community, and you're one of the main faces of the show, it reflects poorly on the entire show and turns people off. this is a pipe dream though, Jeet likes the spotlight and is too stubborn to set himself aside for the wellbeing of the show as a whole, because he feels like its his creation and hes put a lot of his time/effort into it.
 
i feel like the smart thing to do with S5 is go the S3 direction again. the first half or so of S3 was art, one of the most entertaining things i've ever watched, and i think part of the reason for that is that theres nothing else out there thats remotely like it. will they, though?
Famous House was so good because it was the Fishtank we were promised while the show was still being conceptualised - oblivious retards being fucked with. It also helped that they accidentally struck gold with the likes of Alex and Burt

I think the fan seasons have been generally good, but they get too stuck in being meta, and contestants being too fixated on making content/making a name for themselves in the community. I shouldn't have to have suffered throuh StreamStars or be terminally online in official and unofficial FT Discord channels to understand whatever reference the contestants are making on the show.

It's telling that a sizeable portion of the entertainment value of S1 came from Jon (oblivious to who Sam is), from Shinji in S2 (at best very poorly clued in to what Fishtank is), and Rachael (insane, and despite claims to the contrary, very poorly informed about Fishtank) and Freddy (rarely sober, let alone clued in to what he'd signed up for) in S4.

I think the challenge for another attempt at a Famous House season is that the cast needs to be at least pound-for-pound as entertaining as the S3 cast, which is very difficult unless you can uncover more Burts and Alexes. Clearly, however, they view fan seasons as the safer option, given the 3:1 ratio of fan seasons to non-fan seasons, so I think we'll continue on that trajectory, or lose the Famous House seasons altogether.
 
I think the challenge for another attempt at a Famous House season is that the cast needs to be at least pound-for-pound as entertaining as the S3 cast, which is very difficult unless you can uncover more Burts and Alexes.
I'm gonna be honest here, the S3 cast fucking sucked aside from Burt and Alex. I think S4 had the best overall cast, if you had a cast like that but they weren't cringe fans that's the best possible FT cast imo. Again Freddy is a great example, he didn't really know much about Fishtank so he didn't try to be meta, soy or cringe. In many ways Freddy is the perfect example of the ideal fishtank contestant, he's entertaining, unique, can be easily fucked with but also easily fucks with other people, and doesn't try to metagame because he doesn't really know the show deeply.
 
my problem is, they need to give us a fucking update.
They can't give us an update, because any substantial update will reveal they aren't changing anything that caused the last season to fail, and are still going to do it in a residential area in New England.

challenge for another attempt at a Famous House

The challenge for another attempt at Famous House is that girls that don't know what Fishtank is will treat Jet as the ugly weird slav-goblin he is.

Honestly if Sam is completely unwilling to take the ego hit and cave to fan outrage and fire one of his losers, he needs to pay for Ethan Ralph's Senorita or another similar cheap Mexican Insta whore to give Jet the groupie experience for a month while running the show.
 
I'm gonna be honest here, the S3 cast fucking sucked aside from Burt and Alex. I think S4 had the best overall cast, if you had a cast like that but they weren't cringe fans that's the best possible FT cast imo
I know, I'm saying as a collective they need to be as entertaining as the cast, but clearly the majority of that entertainment value was Alex and Burt
 
I know, I'm saying as a collective they need to be as entertaining as the cast, but clearly the majority of that entertainment value was Alex and Burt

Every contestant doesn't have to be an Alex or Burt. Other contestants can add elements to a season as a whole with out being the main attraction. I actually think if everyone was a turbosperg the show would be a clusterfuck that no one would stand out in.

FH2.0 shows how easily another Famous House could be done. It's insane to me how shit on that idea was, when it was the most entertaining a the last half of a season has ever been. People talk more about those few days than the week before or after it. They needed more time to cook, and there was a lot of mistakes made in setting it up. We might have gotten another great Fish after a week of insanity, the original fish needed more to do than try to blend in, and the voting should of never been real. It was blown up from incompetence before it had a chance to develop into anything. FH1.0 didn't have everyone standing out in is first few days. Burt was starting but week one Burt just jacked off, it took a couple weeks and the Rugpull for Burt to really breaks away into madness.
 
I'm gonna be honest here, the S3 cast fucking sucked aside from Burt and Alex. I think S4 had the best overall cast, if you had a cast like that but they weren't cringe fans that's the best possible FT cast imo. Again Freddy is a great example, he didn't really know much about Fishtank so he didn't try to be meta, soy or cringe. In many ways Freddy is the perfect example of the ideal fishtank contestant, he's entertaining, unique, can be easily fucked with but also easily fucks with other people, and doesn't try to metagame because he doesn't really know the show deeply.
I’ll bite. A cast’s quality isn’t just determined by fish as individuals, but how they mesh together. Every season has fish that stick out, perhaps even thrive when by themselves, and fish who struggle outside of social dynamics.

Fishtank at its core is reality tv, a genre built upon social dynamics and interaction. So while a season can get by on a talent-by-talent basis with Fish like Burt, Alex, Freddy, Jimmy, Jon, etc, it can get old real quick. These fish create content as naturally as you or I breathe, but without a larger cast to react to it they’re just doing wacky things in a vacuum, one disjointed piece of content after the other with no greater impact.

Freddy was a good fish, there’s no question. But unlike past seasons, season 4 never established itself with a strong social web. It tried to a few times, but fish were usually kicked out too fast. It didn’t help that production refused to nurture any growing social dynamics among the fish due to how checked out they were. So while Freddy was an entertaining drunk and drug addict, his content was no more than that. Repetition of drunk hijinks, pill popping, and the occasional conflict being resolved within a few hours.

Individually season three fish like smaack, Alexis, and Laron do suck comparatively. But they’re not meant to carry the season. They’re meant to provide reactions, valued for their dynamic with the heavy-hitting content producers. Production can occasionally shift their attention to them in order to keep the audience guessing. These fish sucked, but the overarching narrative of the Hulu gaslight elevated them. We could anticipate how they would react when their worldview crumbled, and the kind of content that would flow from such a reaction.

All this is to say that a season with fans or non-fans can get by so long as it accounts for content in the long-term. Interspersed mediocre fish are needed for this outcome. Season one was able to do this with Jon (central fish) and a few mediocre fish like Vance, Daniel, Sylvia and pre-camping arc Letty. Their content output was lesser in comparison, to Jon, but most things they did had impact because they revolved around Jon’s status in the house. Season two struggled after Cole’s elimination because the fish were bonded to the point of opposing conflict outright. Season 3’s narrative made every fish a key player because all fish were being gaslit.

But wtf did season 4 have? I mean Jin had plans to stir shit up I guess? But he was eliminated on like Day 4. Maybe Rachel? But that was more of a mini famous house, a gaslight solely focused on an individual fish. And she was also eliminated early on. The season had no identity, and was already in a downward spiral by week 2.

Season 4 was given a mercy killing.

Edit: grammar
 
Every contestant doesn't have to be an Alex or Burt. Other contestants can add elements to a season as a whole with out being the main attraction. I actually think if everyone was a turbosperg the show would be a clusterfuck that no one would stand out in.

FH2.0 shows how easily another Famous House could be done. It's insane to me how shit on that idea was, when it was the most entertaining a the last half of a season has ever been. People talk more about those few days than the week before or after it. They needed more time to cook, and there was a lot of mistakes made in setting it up. We might have gotten another great Fish after a week of insanity, the original fish needed more to do than try to blend in, and the voting should of never been real. It was blown up from incompetence before it had a chance to develop into anything. FH1.0 didn't have everyone standing out in is first few days. Burt was starting but week one Burt just jacked off, it took a couple weeks and the Rugpull for Burt to really breaks away into madness.
I think I've done a bad job of explaining what I was trying to communicate. I mean something along these lines: imagine every contestant has a score out of 10 for how entertaining they are, now add that together to get an overall score for the cast of a season (or take an average, who cares). I think that the overall score of the cast for a second FH season would need to be equivalent to that of the S3 cast, or higher, for it to be perceived as a good season.

I'm not arguing for a season full of Burts and Alexes, personally... It's equal measures interesting and entertaining to have normal people in there alongside the crazy people to observe them playing the social game and dealing with what's happening around them.

There's obviously a lot more to this, including dynamics between contestants and how the show is run, that all factor in, too.
 
But wtf did season 4 have? I mean Jin had plans to stir shit up I guess? But he was eliminated on like Day 4. Maybe Rachel? But that was more of a mini famous house, a gaslight solely focused on an individual fish. And she was also eliminated early on. The season had no identity, and was already in a downward spiral by week 2.

I agree with this 100%. Season 4 benefitted super hard from getting cancelled. It had the potential to be a disaster even bigger than season 3. The top 2 contestants when it came to activity were Direnc and Freddy, Jin had been removed by Jet over his feelings getting hurt, Daniel had been curtailed, Rachel had run her course and was gotten rid of, and Angie was still eliminated despite having already lost multiple contestants. Ellie was primarily nontent, Aryeh was a mix of grating retarded gay jew and funny autist, and Seth was a boring replacement for Jin who had to be given a character to play to be somewhat interesting.

The reliance on Freddy and Direnc would've eventually led to a crash as one of them was eliminated or quit (probably Freddy freaking out over something and getting himself kicked or quitting himself) and in that case that show would be facing a disaster as Direnc would be left as the only very active and confrontational person. Freeloaders would've softened this but it would've nevertheless led to a situation similar to season 3 where after Alex left, there weren't really many confrontations and drama going on until FH 2.0 breathed some short life back into the show. If S4 ended up running its full course it might've been seen as one of the worst seasons judging by the course it was on.
 
The huge Australian bitch from Bitchtank is best girl (only because she follows me on twitter and likes my posts about my cat)
Fun Fact: She at one point faked having cancer to pump simps for donations. Then in 2024 when she came on the show she did pumped them again for money to get to the US so she could have sex with Jimmy while her husband watched after their kids back home!
 
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