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With a (questionable) W from James Drake, how would you rate season 5 of Fishtank?

  • 1 Star — Absolute disaster. Unwatchable, boring, production fucked it up bad, the fish were lame

    Votes: 58 7.4%

  • 2 Stars — Pretty bad. Some funny moments, dragged, too many vibe repair days. Barely worth checking.

    Votes: 91 11.7%

  • 3 Stars — Average. Solid entertainment in spots, some good chaos and crashouts, but nothing special

    Votes: 177 22.7%

  • 4 Stars — Really good. Lots of hilarious moments, strong fish personalities, solid content and vibes

    Votes: 408 52.2%

  • 5 Stars — Peak Fishtank / Masterpiece. Non-stop insanity, legendary fish and production, pure chaos

    Votes: 47 6.0%
  • Total voters
    781
anliteralidiot said:
the baby challenges were a test
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Letty being the godmother is out of the question.
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Get the rope Macaulay! said:
what if Sam and Co just never release the episodes? they just cut their losses and move on, its clear from the other fishes' whining that the revenue dropped super fucking hard. Shinji didn't even break even. pretty sure letty got paid more than all of the season 2 fish besides TJ combined.
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Letty had a shitload of fishbucks already by the time of the finale and they just rounded her up a few thousand to $20k. Nobody had a good accounting of winnings but we've seen a range of somewhere between $17k-$23k for Tay before the "steal 4k" challenge and the presumption was that Shinji ended at around $8500 at the end.
 
flamboyant cuttlefish said:
Does anyone have the actual numbers? Would be very curious to see the comparison to season one.
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lol No. you really telling me none of the very online types that make up this fanbase wouldn't be smart enough to black out the identifying info and just post the raw numbers? no matter how you could do it someone would have recorded and leaked it James O'Keefe style. everything about those last few weeks screams cutting their losses. Even if we did have the numbers i wouldn't trust them; Sam is enough of a dipshit he probably doesn't even realize how many messages Jet and crew sent and it certainly wouldn't be part of the numbers sent to investors, when that should be the first thing you should ask as an investor. its the equivalent of having some subscriber service and sending out a shitload of free accounts, if you don't know how many of the subscribers are part of those free ones then it doesn't matter how good the rest of the numbers look because its probably just as bullshit. Its like showing up to a blind date looking like chris, it doesn't matter how good it goes because it proves you aren't serious
 

Flat 80 again the whole time, which is genuinely freaky considering he went for 5 hours and it's the same number more or less he gets every other time and every other day of the week. Made a ton (relative to his norm) this time because he figured out better donation goals - about $220 to drink dumb things and do dumb things.

I meant to get the timestamp but lost it, I'll have to circle back around, but at one point someone brings up Abi in his chat and he says that the bridge between them isn't smooth yet because although he regrets what he did, the first thing she did was block him on all social media. He's seen her tweeting about wishing the roof would cave in on both him and Brian and is therefore at this point not interested in contacting her anymore especially when she didn't even meet Brian.

Tayleigh was present the entire 5 hours, it was clear she was probably multitasking or crocheting to it but she would pop in with an enthusiastic comment or music recommendation and started soyfacing at the end when Jimmy was dancing to music.

Brian shared this on his stream with Scott, it's a teaser of footage they got from his visit to Jimmy's. He said he got to meet hoarderman in person and Scott also expressed interest in going up and meeting hoarderman.... for some reason

 
They can say they made more money all they want to; but something is obviously up. About 3/4 of the way through the show all of production started acting like sour pusses and they definitely stiffed most of the contestants on pay. It really did not seem like they were getting nearly as many tts or loot boxes as season 1 and I'm assuming they had much higher production cost this time. I could be wrong, but I really got the vibe that they weren't making as much money as expected and that made them get butthurt and start blaming the contestants instead of taking responsibility for it themselves. Just like it wasn't their fault for the season 1 edit sucking, it was the fan's fault for being too fickle.
 
While it definitely seemed like at the end of the show the TTS was tapped out, they did jew the prices for everything compared to Season 1 by 50% and before the final 2 weeks there was no shortage of TTS/audience interaction at inflated prices (even the discounted rates were higher than the discounted rates of season 1 for the majority of the show). One thing that also hasn't been factored in is all of the clan bullshit, I have no idea if anyone has even been remotely keeping track of it but it could be a decent chunk of income unaccounted for.

I could go either way on it being bullshit. Seems unlikely to me that they would lie to their investors about it (what would the incentive be if they've already secured the money and their current funding round has ended?) but who knows, they are wiggers after all.
 
Who wouldn't want to own a 40 year old issue of National Geographic that Jimmy has written "Communist AIDS" on?
 
I think the lowered TTS and everything was just down to the content being boring and the wiggers being out of ideas.

The fish early on were on a total witch hunt for Mauros and Josies. Tayleigh only got a pass because she was sick but Brian in particular was taking note of anyone who was loafing around all day or being quiet. Once Cole was out he really started gunning for Shinji and TJ and even Trish a little - not because they were threats but because they were being boring.

Naturally Goran asserted that being boring is no problem because the wiggers have content under control and proceeded to run completely out of ideas the moment they were down to four fish.

Something Jimmy brought up last night was definitely mostly cope on his part but partly true: the over reliance on torture for entertainment early on was stupid, for a comedy show. Someone in his chat said production wanted him to be like Letty (jerking him off but regardless-) and he said, no one is like Letty, she's superhuman and if they think they can push everyone to the degree they pushed Letty, they're going to keep breaking people. And breaking people is good for drama, but it's not funny. Watching Tayleigh pull scissors on Frank is shocking and watching Shinji storm off because his glasses were broken is shocking but I didn't laugh - so as Jimmy was saying, why did they want S2 to be harder if that made it less funny?

What Jet was left with was four fish who weren't funny enough to carry the show, and whose limits were already tested to the point he had to literally announce friendtank, and two more weeks to fill. So he stopped doing shit and people stopped buying fishtoys because there was nothing going on.

They didn't have this problem at all last time, at least not so early. The mallet incident happened at about the same time Ella showed up last season. Frank had his time in both seasons but he was able to hand it off to Letty last time. This time it was obvious he had so much more weight to pull and when he was gone it's like all the straps snapped and the thing went careening down a hill.
 
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Punitive Castration said:
And breaking people is good for drama, but it's not funny.
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Yes it is you pansy. If the whole season was dorks having break downs like summer it would've been fucking hilarious. What made it stink was the wiggers putting pressure on people then acting like sniveling weasels the second a contestant showed any sign of quitting. Having Chris Lynch beg meg not to leave for several hours comes to mind. The constant flip flopping was an issue throughout the whole season in regards to literally every aspect of the show lol.
 
BingBongDingDong said:
If the whole season was dorks having break downs like summer
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I think the idea is you have to make them a little likable first before torturing them, otherwise it’s just sadism to a rando that no one cares about.

You mentioned summer that’s why I say this, she combusted within a the first few weeks.
 
BingBongDingDong said:
What made it stink was the wiggers putting pressure on people then acting like sniveling weasels the second a contestant showed any sign of quitting. Having Chris Lynch beg meg not to leave for several hours comes to mind. The constant flip flopping was an issue
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It's tricky because I remember a couple times Letty wanted to go home because she thought production hated her (they sort of did) and that it was pointless for her to stay if they wanted her to leave. So a couple times they had to, basically, lie, and tell her they didn't expect her to lose. I think that's a different issue, where they can't pick winners and losers the way they have been. They clearly can't be trusted with that responsibility.

Sometimes the torture is funny but it's not the funniest thing the show brings. Comparing the relative comedic value of the contestants cutting themselves on zip ties or barfing over and over to the comedic value of Vance going schizo or Jon exploding mustard is basically my point.
 
Punitive Castration said:
It's tricky because I remember a couple times Letty wanted to go home because she thought production hated her (they sort of did) and that it was pointless for her to stay if they wanted her to leave. So a couple times they had to, basically, lie, and tell her they didn't expect her to lose. I think that's a different issue, where they can't pick winners and losers the way they have been. They clearly can't be trusted with that responsibility.

Sometimes the torture is funny but it's not the funniest thing the show brings. Comparing the relative comedic value of the contestants cutting themselves on zip ties or barfing over and over to the comedic value of Vance going schizo or Jon exploding mustard is basically my point.
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True. I remember in S1 one of my personal highlights was waiting for sam to show up later in the day to see what he would smash or what random shit he would do. With S2 that element kinda existed very quickly became hed show up. Issue a challenge. Then go work out. There were bits of that in S1 but it was with Jon & there was a funny element to watching a tard sparring with sam versus sam working out as Trish watches on from the hallway getting turned on lol
 
eatler said:
I think the idea is you have to make them a little likable first before torturing them, otherwise it’s just sadism to a rando that no one cares about.

You mentioned summer that’s why I say this, she combusted within a the first few weeks.
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Summer was only on for 3 days lol. She was unlikable, unhinged, and created chaos. We didn't really have a chance to get to know her like the other contestants but I think most everybody can agree that her reign of insanity was a high point for season 2. There weren't any gay-ops from the wiggers involved and it wasn't a contestant doing things to create "~content~" it was just some daffy bitch going off the chain because she was put under slight pressure. There wasn't some long drawn out segment off a wiggers trying to convince her that the stock may streaming career is worth it to stay, they just let her burn out.
It just goes back to the main issue s2 had, the wiggers and their meddling. I'll leave it at that since we've read this topic over way too much and I think on general it's agreed upon.
Punitive Castration said:
Sometimes the torture is funny but it's not the funniest thing the show brings. Comparing the relative comedic value of the contestants cutting themselves on zip ties or barfing over and over to the comedic value of Vance going schizo or Jon exploding mustard is basically my point.
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That's very fair.
 
Punitive Castration said:
It's tricky because I remember a couple times Letty wanted to go home because she thought production hated her (they sort of did) and that it was pointless for her to stay if they wanted her to leave. So a couple times they had to, basically, lie, and tell her they didn't expect her to lose. I think that's a different issue, where they can't pick winners and losers the way they have been. They clearly can't be trusted with that responsibility.
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They recognized that Letty was vital for season one to continue to be entertaining, and they actually had some lucidity in the sense that they understood with Letty gone a large portion of long term content would cease to exist. Letty was either an antagonist or an anti-hero depending on your opinion of her, either way if she was eliminated instead of Vance, Josie, or Sylvia then the finale would be boring due to no stakes.

Production still targeted Letty explicitly like they do with every single content driver on the show, but they kept her on and encouraged her to stay because they knew she was needed. They recognized that they weren’t in the position to lose her.

This season the mindset of production was no longer to attempt to keep content drivers on, but a complete disregard for their importance in keeping long term content churning. While content drivers in season two were explicitly targeted like Letty, they weren’t usually encouraged to stay and in some instances they were actually encouraged to leave.

This could be because production thought they had a better cast and therefore had more room to have content driving fish leave at a faster rate, it could be because production believed the fish would be stronger because they all saw season one, and it could be because production developed a case of mental retardation. In all instances it was a serious blunder that caused a large amount of downtime and a severe content drought.

In every instance of a content driving fish leaving or being eliminated it usually follows a pattern.

  1. Fish consistently produces content over a fairly long period of time.
  2. Fish becomes popular among audience driving up engagement and money
  3. Production targets fish in order to get them to produce more content and therefore more engagement and money.
  4. Fish starts to feel the pressure of being targeted and gets upset/loses natural content making ability (in which case the cycle ends here) or fish becomes stressed.
  5. Production makes an attempt at calming the fish down/motivating them to power through the targeting. If this works revert back to 3, if this doesn’t work continue to 6.
  6. Fish burns out and can suffer a breakdown. All fish are different so this could range from a literal psychosis episode like with Summer, ranting at the camera like Cole, or just silently contemplating decisions like JC.
  7. Fish eventually is eliminated due to becoming a liability from the breakdown (Summer, Jimmy, and possibly Cole) loses the ability to generate content consistently, or outright chooses to leave on their own to escape the targeting (JC and possibly Cole).
  8. Cycle repeats with a new fish until content drivers run out.
This usually cycles between 3,4, and 5, but eventually production slips up, gets lazy, or just pushes a fish too far. Season two rarely had successful attempts at keeping a fish on the show, because production never allowed them any breathing room until it was too late.
 
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