🐟 Fishtank Fishtank.Live General - Jet Neptune's Pisces Aquarium Internet Reality Show w/ Host Bam Margera

[Sicko Hunter]

Cute freeloader enters the house and starts following around the spastic, non-verbal freak (who also happens to be Goran's script main character), and then follows him around for days until she leaves. Why would any normal person think she wasn't told to do that? She rejected his advances and was creeped out by him; last day in the tank she looked like a kidnap victim following around his armed kidnapper in a store; when she left she looked so happy, production had to tell her to not say goodbyes and just go to the basement cause she was all smiles; and if that wasn't enough, her old photos surfaced showing the cute, prude girl was a disguise, she's actually a bisexual, goth semen demon.

I also have a very hard time believing a girl as cute as Taylor found TJ attractive but who knows.

 

[Mudkipcorn]

All this discussion gets to the heart of the problems of production. As I see it, the Fishtank crew has five major tasks:

• A) long-term planning
  • Coming up with AND playtesting challenge ideas
  • Coming up with all kinds of comedic bits
  • Finding potential freeloaders and thinking seriously about when and how they can positively affect the show
  • Brainstorming Fishtoys
  • Obviously a lot of this stuff will take place before the show starts, but it still needs a full-time team to come up with ideas that complement the individual Fish, their relationships, and build on past events in the Tank
• B) short/medium-term planning
  • Similar to above, but with an emphasis on the next ~72 hours of the show
  • Choosing what bits/challenges (figured out by Team A) would best be implemented at a given time
  • Brainstorming ways to interact with the Fish
  • Brainstorming potentially fruitful ways to manipulate how the Fish perceive other Fish
  • Basically, this team would be figuring out roughly what staff should say/do to any particular Fish during those many moments when Production interacts with Fish
• C) performing
  • The members of Production who perform bits, run challenges, interact with the Fish
• D) monitoring/note-taking
  • Watching the show 24/7 and writing detailed briefs to inform Teams A, B and C
  • Knowing what is going on, what the Fish have said to eachother, how they responded to X, Y and Z, what their relationships are like, what they hated, what is making them suffer, who seems to be at risk of quitting/throwing a mallet/going on a rampage, AND sharing that information with the rest of production
  • This is critical and therefore needs to have a clear system. Monitors should be providing daily briefs and shorter ones covering shorter periods to the entire crew
• E) grunt work
  • Filming
  • Implementing TTS
  • Implementing Fishtoys
  • Lightly monitoring /tv/, Twitter, etc. to see what fans are saying. I don't want them leaning into this too much, but it is something they should be doing
    • Passing on any insightful trends, good ideas, etc. to the D Team (who will pass it on to the rest)
  • Etc.

Each team probably needs at least 4 people working fulltime. Obviously there will be overlap (Sam is both a performer and long-term planner for example), but you don't want anyone stretched too thin. That's what they've been doing and it fucking shows. Maybe this is way too much detail and it isn't all necessary, but Production's methodology is so haphazard I think they would benefit from adherence to a detailed structure like this one.

The biggest problem with doing something like this would run into hierarchical issues. Who is making the executive decisions? It gives Team D a lot of power even though the people on that team probably won't be the stars. The reason everyone is stretched so thin is probably because they don't want to delegate all that power. I get it, but it is impossible for any person or even the core team to simultaneously monitor the show religiously (so they know the context of the Tank at any given moment), think up ideas/bits, and implement/perform those ideas and bits on camera.

Costs would definitely be a big issue too. They almost certainly can't afford to have 20 full-time staff. Still, at least some of Team D could be handled off-site and thus much more cheaply. That in mind, a good rule of thumb might be no person should be focused on more than 2 aspects of Production. Most performers will be long-term planning, short-term planners can also be monitors when a colleague is monitoring or nothing is going on, etc. They have creative people on staff. If a grunt has a good idea for a bit or a challenge, they should share it, but not make it their focus.

Sam at least has shown signs that he doesn't want to be a micromanager. That's good. He doesn't have to be. Let him be more distant, plan stuff, read briefs, and show up. The problem is that Jet seems very reluctant to take a step back.

Do we even know who Nifty is?

My nigga.

Edit: I'm going to go even further with raising costs, but why not rent a nearby house for the crew? A lot of what I wrote above was based on the idea that Production is overstretched and exhausted. More delegation would alleviate both of those, but having a place to actually relax would help with sleep deprivation. I imagine planning and brainstorming would be easier in a neutral location as well. I realize they're already doing this to an extent (obviously not every member of production spent every night in the basement), but going further would help.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

C) performing

• The members of Production who perform bits, run challenges, interact with the Fish

Just separating the on-screen talent from the production crew would fix a lot of the issues, perceived or not.

 

[eatler]

Each team probably needs at least 4 people working fulltime.

nearby house for the crew?

I think the only issue with the both of these is you would run into money problems. Remember this is a show where you can spam the nigger word and lock a black man in a cage, a lot of people don’t like that. It would be really hard to increase the audience to make that money. I’ll be open to being wrong but that may be the problem with this.

 

[Goonsmoker]

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Great reaction image.

iirc TJ changed the name but now that I'm looking at the name he supposedly changed it to, I can't get that page to come up either.

And people will still think the porn account wasn't truly his.

 

[eatler]

And people will still think the porn account wasn't truly his.

there was horses involved right so you ever think vash jerked to his stuff?

 

[Punitive Castration]

I think the only issue with the both of these is you would run into money problems. Remember this is a show where you can spam the nigger word and lock a black man in a cage, a lot of people don’t like that. It would be really hard to increase the audience to make that money. I’ll be open to being wrong but that may be the problem with this.

Not even a separate house just a little job site trailer like you see on construction sites so, for example, when Vance and Letty are drumming on the living room floor at 3 AM production doesn't have to come upstairs and tell them to do it on the second floor

I think the basement was pretty huge this time around, with a kitchenette and its own bathroom so maybe if it hadn't flooded repeatedly it would've come across as a big upgrade though.

Can I ask you guys something, I've been wondering for fucking ages why something went down the way it did and I think the only way I'm going to get closure on it is if a bunch of autists tell me what they think production was trying to do versus what actually happened

• On Day 16, production figures out Jimmy's code situation with Mephisto. Jet starts sending Jimmy TTS pretending to be Mephisto and warning him to stop talking about suicide, and tells Jimmy that Tayleigh is an actor
• They do the shitty "judge don't fudge" song during the day and then everyone has to eat peppers
• Jet makes them play musical chairs to distract them while Sam tosses Jimmy's shit. He finds the notes and reads them out loud so everyone in the audience knows them and says that anyone involved who doesn't know jimmy irl should get in touch with production. at some point jimmy finds out that they're searching his notes and vance tells him someone told production that jimmy's notes had like, anti-production plans in them
• after that sam literally pats jimmy down and searches his shit with jimmy in the room
• They call everyone for Yoga and Jimmy says no cuz he's trying to calm himself down and supervise his belongings and they make him come tf down
• Jimmy grabs the horn box and hides it in the trapdoor in the bathroom and Sam kicks the lock off the doorknob (in retrospect, why?? what did they think he was going to do, seriously? were they defending the horn box or did they think he was going to start a bath with it or what)
• then they fight with him over the advil (did they really think there was something in the advil..?)
• sam pressures jimmy into saying he's okay. they have a staredown and sam breaks it by saying "green penis" to make jimmy laugh
• jimmy thinks he makes sam stop by threatening to reveal that tayleigh is "the actor" which would ruin the actor bit (lol)
• sam takes jimmy into the attic and tells him he can't tell anyone that tayleigh is the actor and that mephisto works for production, tells him what code words to use, and that he has to make a super pizza or he's going to be eliminated
• Jimmy enlists a bunch of fish to help him with it and Sam tells them Jimmy's crazy and they don't have to but they help him anyway
• Sam tells Brian to make Jimmy tell him who the actor is in order to join the initiative group
• An enormously strange interaction takes place between Jimmy and Brian
  • Jimmy signals that Tay is the actor almost immediately because Brian tells him it's okay but doesn't say it out loud
  • The website goes down for a brief moment but everyone thinks it's still down for a long time
  • Jimmy starts fucking crying
  • the TTS tells Jimmy to leave the room using his codes and he doesnt go
  • Sam comes and tells Jimmy production told him to leave the room over tts, what's going on, and Jimmy ignores him (why'd they want him to leave the room in the first place, what would that do, where would the sequence have gone if he had left the room like they asked)
  • Vance enters the room and hides in the closet
  • Ben enters and also hides in the closet
  • Ben tells JImmy to repeat what he said and he says "Tayleigh is the actor" out loud
• Sam takes Jimmy aside and they argue over which codes Jimmy was supposed to use and figure out Jimmy forgot the codes. Sam says again that Mephisto is with production and Jimmy says prove it and Sam bluffs and says he will in the attic because JImmy thought there weren't cameras up there (where was he going with that, why bluff when he was ten feet away from having to admit he couldn't prove it)
• sam changes the subject to, did Jimmy say whisper to Brian who the actor is? Jimmy says no, Sam says yeah he did, Jimmy says no I said it out loud. Sam makes him eat a pepper and he chokes on it

I guess it sort of reminds me of that earlier day when they had Taylor interrogate Jimmy about his sex life after he struggle snuggled Nifty and was handsy with Trish, and the stuff that Jimmy said was all like "damn boy that's cringe but not illegal." And they kept sending Taylor up to dig deeper and didn't find any Simmons-ish stuff to work with to edge him out as a deathblow. and eventually just latched onto "jimmy fucks dogs" to fuck with him in the future, which was something he said about someone he knew, not himself

It seemed to me like the whole, mephisto shakedown sequence was, again, production thinking they could find something shocking about Jimmy that would get him eliminated, not finding it, and then losing track of where they were going (why was Tayleigh being an actor a part of it, why Super Pizza) and ambling to a random stop

 

[Jobama]

I also have a very hard time believing a girl as cute as Taylor found TJ attractive but who knows.

I never got why people thought Taylor would never be into TJ. He looks handsome and is in shape. Taylor only got hot within the past year. Don’t forget that he by far has the most female fangirls. TJ is a great example of one of those guys that women find attractive but guys don’t see why. Like Adam Driver or James Franco. If Taylor did have a secret boyfriend it would just make him the biggest cuck on the planet.

 

[Blitzsneed]

I never got why people thought Taylor would never be into TJ. He looks handsome and is in shape.

He may be handsome, but it will go out of the fucking window if he's an autistic retard. And he is. His rocking and "ummm uhhhhhhh" immediately returned after he won the tank.
Not gonna lie, but Taylor deserves better than this, even if she's an comparable retard as he is. Nonetheless, both should get a fucking job. Taylor at least had one before FT.

 

[Punitive Castration]

He may be handsome, but it will go out of the fucking window if he's an autistic retard. And he is. His rocking and "ummm uhhhhhhh" immediately returned after he won the tank.
Not gonna lie, but Taylor deserves better than this, even if she's an comparable retard as he is. Nonetheless, both should get a fucking job. Taylor at least had one before FT.

he's not even handsome. after brian left the tank and everyone was getting ready the next morning the first thought that went through my head was "damn, all the men left in the house are (vocab word) paedomorphic." The kinds of guys who are going to age hard and fast at 30 and instantly jump from looking like children to weird old dudes

Jet is paedomorphic, Chris would also be paedomorphic if he didn't have facial hair
Ben is, I don't know what you would call him. Geromorphic.

 

[montzym]

@Punitive Castration
Oh man that moment when he squared off with Judge like a psycho was peak content; he actually threatened Sam with weird schizo riddles about someone from Sam's past who he shouldn't have messed with (I think Sam got spooked for real for a moment there); Jimmy coin was at an all time high, everyone thought for a second he was some genius mastermind comedian that got in the show just to fuck with Sam, and that at that moment he was about to Marky and Edie post to Sam's face.

My take is that production wasn't really scared of Jimmy, they were just at all times playing around with the new info they had just found for comedy and tts, like they did with Cole, maybe 90% knowing it was all just silly stuff, and 10% thinking that jimmy could actually be a danger to others or to the show by being an actor waiting to strike with some real (dangerous) pranks; and because of that 10% Sam kicked open the bathroom door, to try and stop him from flushing or eating any evidence he may have hidden somewhere they missed, but maybe also fearing his last prank could be to off himself with something hidden in that box to ruin the show with a sudoku.

 

[Lowercase I internet]

It seemed to me like the whole, mephisto shakedown sequence was, again, production thinking they could find something shocking about Jimmy that would get him eliminated, not finding it, and then losing track of where they were going (why was Tayleigh being an actor a part of it, why Super Pizza) and ambling to a random stop

I find it strange that production would be so eager to find something to eliminate Jimmy. Jimmy was the last remaining content driving fish at that point in time if I remember correctly. Either way it’s just another example of production preferring fast paced content over long term content and risking the show’s quality in the process. Would them finding something to eliminate Jimmy over be funny in the moment? Sure. But two days later when the fish aren’t doing anything it would come back to bite them in the ass.

 

[Punitive Castration]

My take is that production wasn't really scared of Jimmy, they were just at all times playing around with the new info they had just found for comedy and tts, like they did with Cole, maybe 90% knowing it was all just silly stuff, and 10% thinking that jimmy could actually be a danger to others or to the show by being an actor waiting to strike with some real (dangerous) pranks;

I find it strange that production would be so eager to find something to eliminate Jimmy. Jimmy was the last remaining content driving fish at that point in time if I remember correctly

Yeah, you're both probably right, I think I was incorrectly assuming their intent was elimination based on the assumed direction of the pranks. With Tayleigh it was kind of, what, you're going to prove she smoked weed when you know she didn't? With Jimmy it seemed more like they actually thought they were going to find something when Taylor was grilling him or when Sam was tossing his shit that would result in a DQ. I guess if it was 10% likely to result in a DQ and 90% likely to just be a funny sequence they were just doing it to be funny with the off chance of checking for a DQ.

I still wonder what the fuck was going on with the "choreography" of it though. Like the way it moved from Jimmy we're searching all your stuff to, you need to make a Super Pizza, to Brian confronting him for nothing and then "Buffalo Roam, Leave the Room" in order to go, where... it's all strange. where did they think it was going to go

 

[montzym]

I never got why people thought Taylor would never be into TJ. He looks handsome and is in shape. Taylor only got hot within the past year. Don’t forget that he by far has the most female fangirls. TJ is a great example of one of those guys that women find attractive but guys don’t see why. Like Adam Driver or James Franco. If Taylor did have a secret boyfriend it would just make him the biggest cuck on the planet.

Because it's too unlikely. I think you're being too kind to TJ. He does have a decent face, he's also not an actual retard, he's intelligent (he was always the best at writing; his losing and winning speeches were great for example), but his speech and motor disabilities rendered him non verbal and spastic sadly, which is a negative in the category of being and appearing confident, one of the most important to attract women. And if you add on top of that that he's short, not rich, and his dick is slightly above average at best; do you really think Taylor can't get better anywhere she goes? It's still possible, although unlikely, for her to fall for someone like him (for example if she's disappointed of boring, fake alphas like Brian and wants to find some weirdo with a heart of gold), but not after just a few hours of TJ being just weird, slow, and even sex pesty; so she was obviously told by production to be around him and fake interest. Tj is also not in shape, he is slim and healthy for sure, but that shape only works for tall men, short men need to add muscle or they are twinks in the eyes of women.

Also, Adam Driver and James Franco are tall (Adam is a giant), rich, probably have big dicks, confident, famous. When you have all that, being ugly doesn't even matter, and they aren't even ugly, just average.

 

[CoolFool]

I never got why people thought Taylor would never be into TJ. He looks handsome and is in shape. Taylor only got hot within the past year. Don’t forget that he by far has the most female fangirls. TJ is a great example of one of those guys that women find attractive but guys don’t see why. Like Adam Driver or James Franco. If Taylor did have a secret boyfriend it would just make him the biggest cuck on the planet.

TJ is a good looking guy if you only saw his face in a picture. Any perceived good looks instantly goes out the window the moment you see him in person and realize he's short guy, he has no muscles, he's stimming like crazy, and he can't form a complete sentence. Not to mention, his lack of confidence and inability to make decisions by himself is a complete turn off for women.

A girl like Taylor would never be into TJ. Not just because of his looks or stimming, but also very different personalities. TJ said he's a homebody and rarely leaves the home. Taylor likes to party, get drunk, and gamble. She didn't look the least bit interested in TJ any time she was with him. Even when they cuddled or kissed it felt so incredibly forced and awkward as hell.

If you see a woman like Taylor going after a guy like TJ, it's for one of two reasons:

1. She's wants something the man has (money, fame, information, connections, etc)
2. She's a batshit insane woman that gets off on going after virgins/losers because it makes her feel powerful and gives her an ego boost. This is rare, but does happen.

I personally think Taylor went after TJ in the tank because she was told to, and she is now in his orbit because he won. She wants his money, his connections with the Fish Tank crew, and his fan base. That's all. Sam even tried to tell TJ not to go after Taylor after the show and to keep focusing on himself, but I doubt he'll listen.

 

[montzym]

I still wonder what the fuck was going on with the "choreography" of it though. Like the way it moved from Jimmy we're searching all your stuff to, you need to make a Super Pizza, to Brian confronting him for nothing and then "Buffalo Roam, Leave the Room" in order to go, where... it's all strange. where did they think it was going to go

I think that was all kayfabe. In the basement they all knew that chat and other social media sites were going wild with the idea that Jimmy was either a genius actor faking the autism, or a psycho about to go on a rampage. So they were feeding into that with Sam pretending the wiggers were scared or confused and trying to figure him out, but there was also some coddling so he wouldn't sperg out for real from all the stress. But that's just my take, maybe there was something deeper I missed, only the wiggers know for certain.

 

[luigismanslave]

or James Franco

the leap from TJ to James Franco is insane. do people not consider James Franco conventionally attractive? since when (besides the whole pedophile thing)?

 

[Lowercase I internet]

I still wonder what the fuck was going on with the "choreography" of it though. Like the way it moved from Jimmy we're searching all your stuff to, you need to make a Super Pizza, to Brian confronting him for nothing and then "Buffalo Roam, Leave the Room" in order to go, where... it's all strange. where did they think it was going to go

It was a weird point in the show where they had no real overarching narrative. As a result they kind of just threw shit at the wall hoping it would stick. Random freeloaders, random plot lines, and especially random attempts at getting Jimmy to make content.

The reason it seemed like there was no choreography was because there probably wasn’t any. Just production trying to make disconnected content to keep people engaged.

 

[feral cat #6385]

apparently taylor has fallen victim to the

Don't care. Tj fish worst fish. I would prefer a girl steal all his money and teach him a life lesson.

 

[Jobama]

TJ is a good looking guy if you only saw his face in a picture. Any perceived good looks instantly goes out the window the moment you see him in person and realize he's short guy, he has no muscles, he's stimming like crazy, and he can't form a complete sentence. Not to mention, his lack of confidence and inability to make decisions by himself is a complete turn off for women.

A girl like Taylor would never be into TJ. Not just because of his looks or stimming, but also very different personalities. TJ said he's a homebody and rarely leaves the home. Taylor likes to party, get drunk, and gamble. She didn't look the least bit interested in TJ any time she was with him. Even when they cuddled or kissed it felt so incredibly forced and awkward as hell.

If you see a woman like Taylor going after a guy like TJ, it's for one of two reasons:

1. She's wants something the man has (money, fame, information, connections, etc)
2. She's a batshit insane woman that gets off on going after virgins/losers because it makes her feel powerful and gives her an ego boost. This is rare, but does happen.

I personally think Taylor went after TJ in the tank because she was told to, and she is now in his orbit because he won. She wants his money, his connections with the Fish Tank crew, and his fan base. That's all. Sam even tried to tell TJ not to go after Taylor after the show and to keep focusing on himself, but I doubt he'll listen.

TJ has said before that he found out that Taylor wasn’t and actor after the show ended. I imagine Sam, Jet, or someone else on production would have told him if they told her to be around him because that would have been one of the first things he asked after the show ended. I don’t think Taylor would still be lying about not being told to do anything by production 2 weeks after the show ended. When Sam was talking to TJ in the attic, before he eliminated Taylor, he broke character and said that Taylor wasn’t an actress and that she was actually into him which was good thing. I also disagree that she was never interested in him. Obviously they had a lot of awkward interactions but there were times like when they kissed on New Years or when she was petting his hair were she was clearly into him. I don’t think people should be analyzing them like a traditional relationship because they met in very abnormal circumstances. I do agree with you that they are too different and probably won’t have any sort of long term relationship. The real smoking gun is that TJ’s black queen already conceded that Taylor actually likes him.