Fire Emblem series

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jellycar said:
Any story changes if you recruit certain characters? Like....i didn't get Alois so in the post timeskip scene he was replaced with a generic solder when the professors meet you in the academy for example
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Sometimes yeah, though it typically takes the form of replacing characters in maps in which they were originally enemy units

Probably the best example I can give, there's a paralogue in the BL route (not sure if it's anywhere else) where you have to take a fort, and Hubert runs to take it too. In my BL route, I neglected recruiting Hanneman and Manuela, and they appeared as enemy units. On a related note, I'm not so sure why someone who prides himself on being a crest scholar like Hanneman would kiss up to the empire, but maybe I'll see when I finally do Edelgard's route.
 
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I don't know if it's spoiling because it was in the first trailer, but Edelgard thinks the Crests are to blame

Hanneman's reasons for being a crest scholar are laid out in supports, they'll help explain his actions.
 
Sable said:
I don't know if it's spoiling because it was in the first trailer, but Edelgard thinks the Crests are to blame

Hanneman's reasons for being a crest scholar are laid out in supports, they'll help explain his actions.
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No, I know, I just didn't know why he'd side with someone who wants to get rid of the crests

Though watching the supports might be a good idea lmao
 
Hanneman was originally from the Empire, but he cast aside his peerage to research the students. Outside of his research, the Empire is really the only place he could run to.
 
I'm starting to see more and more backlash to each of the Lords. Edelgard over her actions, misinformation and personality, Dimitri over him going nutso and then quickly changing back, and Claude having being too much of a good ending, never doing anything too bad and attacking Dimitri in BL.

There was one poll that put Edelgard as the least popular of the three in Japan, with Dimitri on top. Korea seems to really hate her though.
 
The best part is that Korea also listed Edelgard as their second favorite female character. A lot of her detractors tend to ignore this though and proceed to go on bragging about the poll results.

I don’t know maybe I am just tired of all the debates but I don’t understand why everyone has a boner over Dimitri and the BL. On Reddit a lot of people over there act like they are so oppressed for disliking Edelgard or that it is an unpopular opinion despite at least two threads daily being made criticizing her. I’m not even a hard core fan of her either, in fact for awhile in the beginning I liked Dimitri better. I guess lurking around the fandom kind of soured my view of him.

I wouldn’t consider the criticisms backlash, as a lot of people are analyzing their flaws while praising the writing. I just fear that IS will misread all the reception of the three lords as people disliking morally grey characters. The they will go back and have the next game's plot be "Kingdom A good, Kingdom B evil and bad" on the same level as Hoshido and Nohr from Fates.
 
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Just finished the game on the Golden Deer route. Only done the one, but my friend has told me what happens in the others. From the sounds of it GD seems like the most complete story.

Great game. I own all the English releases but Echoes, but never got into the series before this. Definitely gonna have to go back sometime soon and play the others.

Also ended up picking Sothis at the end for Demolition Man style mind sex.
 
SnowBall said:
The best part is that Korea also listed Edelgard as their second favorite female character. A lot of her detractors tend to ignore this though and proceed to go on bragging about the poll results.

I don’t know maybe I am just tired of all the debates but I don’t understand why everyone has a boner over Dimitri and the BL. On Reddit a lot of people over there act like they are so oppressed for disliking Edelgard or that it is an unpopular opinion despite at least two threads daily being made criticizing her. I’m not even a hard core fan of her either, in fact for awhile in the beginning I liked Dimitri better. I guess lurking around the fandom kind of soured my view of him.

I wouldn’t consider the criticisms backlash, as a lot of people are analyzing their flaws while praising the writing. I just fear that IS will misread all the reception of the three lords as people disliking morally grey characters. The they will go back and have the next game's plot be "Kingdom A good, Kingdom B evil and bad" on the same level as Hoshido and Nohr from Fates.
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Edelgard fans are the absolute worse in my experience, they seriously think their golden girl isn't the new Camilla. They post constant threads on reddit complaining that people just hate strong female characters in the series. I like every single one of them but views on Edelgard are of course going to be colored by the fact that the three other factions hate her guts for obvious reasons. The thing that people need to understand is that all the lords are morally grey but they're absolutely different degrees of grey.

The funny thing is I'm not the biggest fan of any of the lords. I like the Church route and Seteth the most. If IS wants to do a more traditional Fire Emblem, just with good writing, I'll support that too. Morally grey stories get tiring after awhile.

Islamic Creampie said:
Just finished the game on the Golden Deer route. Only done the one, but my friend has told me what happens in the others. From the sounds of it GD seems like the most complete story.

Great game. I own all the English releases but Echoes, but never got into the series before this. Definitely gonna have to go back sometime soon and play the others.

Also ended up picking Sothis at the end for Demolition Man style mind sex.
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It's complete in the sense it reveals the most backstory, yeah, but it has its flaws too. A fair amount of people aren't really big fans of Almyra coming out of nowhere and then pivoting straight back to Nemesis. All of the routes are good for what they are.
 
Edelgard and Dimitri fans are equally awful, but I have been leaning towards being more annoyed at Dimitri's fans lately. I see just as many threads on Reddit fawning over him. I'm just tired of the constant slap fights where both sides act like screaming children.
 
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SnowBall said:
Edelgard and Dimitri fans are equally awful, but I have been leaning towards being more annoyed at Dimitri's fans lately. I see just as many threads on Reddit fawning over him. I'm just tired of the constant slap fights where both sides act like screaming children.
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I can't stand Dimitri most of the three because he lacks a lot of what I can respect about Edelgard and Claude: reason.

Unless you play his route, Dimitri is a no holds-barred monster of rage and that's it. Edelgard, even as a villain, misguided as she is, has thought about her actions and executes them with plans and purpose. It's why I'm frustrated that there is no route where you can talk her down; why is she the one that doesn't get a chance despite being more characteristically likely to talk to Byleth and company whereas Dimitri in his route is almost spoonfed his redemption.

He reminds me of Sasuke from Naruto, and that's not a good thing. This is why I said earlier that it feels like the game has a bias for him. Sure, tragic backstory, but if it doesn't excuse Edelgard, then why does Dimitri get away with it? I wouldn't be so quick to call the bias card either if Claude felt like a character that mattered in most of the story, but he doesn't and it's frustrating.
 
X-Shaped Weeaboo said:
I can't stand Dimitri most of the three because he lacks a lot of what I can respect about Edelgard and Claude: reason.

Unless you play his route, Dimitri is a no holds-barred monster of rage and that's it. Edelgard, even as a villain, misguided as she is, has thought about her actions and executes them with plans and purpose. It's why I'm frustrated that there is no route where you can talk her down; why is she the one that doesn't get a chance despite being more characteristically likely to talk to Byleth and company whereas Dimitri in his route is almost spoonfed his redemption.

He reminds me of Sasuke from Naruto, and that's not a good thing. This is why I said earlier that it feels like the game has a bias for him. Sure, tragic backstory, but if it doesn't excuse Edelgard, then why does Dimitri get away with it? I wouldn't be so quick to call the bias card either if Claude felt like a character that mattered in most of the story, but he doesn't and it's frustrating.
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In what world is the person who try to assassinate Dimitri and Claude before they ever even did anything, without talking to them first, the most likely to be reasonable? Or the person who stabbed Dimitri after he offered to try to make things right? I genuinely don't know how people can think the game has a bias towards Dimitri, because all the routes go to great lengths to paint their lords as in the right. Why wouldn't Dimitri get redemption in his own route? It's not like Edelgard's route makes any attempt at making Edelgard look overall wrong.
 
HeyYou said:
In what world is the person who try to assassinate Dimitri and Claude before they ever even did anything, without talking to them first, the most likely to be reasonable?
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I mean, it'd have prevented a 5 year long war and all the deaths that came with it at least.
 
Sable said:
I mean, it'd have prevented a 5 year long war and all the deaths that came with it at least.
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That she started. It's like if you crashed your parents car to justify selling it for petty cash, which you were going to do anyways.
 
HeyYou said:
That she started. It's like if you crashed your parents car to justify selling it for petty cash, which you were going to do anyways.
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She only started by attacking the church though. It was the choice of Dimitri and the Alliance to actually defend the Church.
 
Sable said:
She only started by attacking the church though. It was the choice of Dimitri and the Alliance to actually defend the Church.
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That's just straight up not true, that's why she had lords lined up in both factions to help her take it over easier and why she tried to assassinate Dimitri and Claude. She phrases the war as being a sort of revanchist war several times, like the only "reason" the Kingdom and Alliance left was because of the Church. Her plan of making crests unimportant wouldn't exactly work with neighboring countries who don't subscribe to her philosophy and could steamroll her, either. She would be forced to do the terrible shit she hates constantly, like making crest beasts.
 
Sable said:
She only started by attacking the church though. It was the choice of Dimitri and the Alliance to actually defend the Church.
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The game literally starts with the Flame Emperor attempting to assassinate Claude and Dimitri with bandits. If she actually had laid out her reasons to Claude he probably would have backed her in a slower, less violent political restructuring since their visions are both fairly egalitarian and she wouldn't have had to lean on the Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain faction.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
The game literally starts with the Flame Emperor attempting to assassinate Claude and Dimitri with bandits. If she actually had laid out her reasons to Claude he probably would have backed her in a slower, less violent political restructuring since their visions are both fairly egalitarian and she wouldn't have had to lean on the Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain faction.
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I mean, that's the best overall option, I'm just saying having Dimitri and Claude dead is better than having loads of people in Fodlan dead.

3H is basically "Bad things happen because people don't talk" the game, but the same can probably be also said of Fates and probably a couple of others too *glares at Camus archetype*
 
Oddjob OTP said:
The game literally starts with the Flame Emperor attempting to assassinate Claude and Dimitri with bandits. If she actually had laid out her reasons to Claude he probably would have backed her in a slower, less violent political restructuring since their visions are both fairly egalitarian and she wouldn't have had to lean on the Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain faction.
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I doubt he'd support her plan. Her plan involves uniting Fodlan to maintain peace, not at all unlike Rhea's original plan. Except Edelgard wants to unite it by force rather than by creating a Church with edited history. Edelgard isn't exactly a fan of outsiders, either.
 
SnowBall said:
Edelgard and Dimitri fans are equally awful, but I have been leaning towards being more annoyed at Dimitri's fans lately. I see just as many threads on Reddit fawning over him. I'm just tired of the constant slap fights where both sides act like screaming children.
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Edeltards are worse through, they call anyone sexist for not being fans of her and sperg the fuck out in most discussions about her. For example: in the /feg/ on /vg/ board, there is an autist that makes mini-edelgard cutouts

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