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Beat my first route, GD, today. Married Lysithia to save her life and I giggled at Bernie and Seteth getting together in their ending. Claude though was a fucking beast in combat.

Going to go BE next because it's short and I want to see what so many people love about Edelgard. She seems to be the Hoshido route, where her actions are treated as just by her narrative but the implications/other paths say otherwise. Not planning on recruiting outside of my house though, since I want this to be my bastard playthrough. Then I'll go Church and save Berserk-lite for last. With that last one, I feel like I'm going to play it pretending it's an Otome game for fun.
 
Wound up recruiting Leonie by accident.

And it turns out you can't get any of her supports after your dad is killed. At least I plan on doing a NG+ run after Black Eagles.
 
Edelgard is really rubbing me the wrong way. She's like a child that needs to be corrected, but instead I cave in and give her what she wants.
 
I recently got into FE3H lately and I'm enjoying the game very much.

I started with Dimitri's house first since their playstyle was more what I was looking for and I liked a lot of the characters in his house. The growth system is taking some getting used to but I like it so far. It gives me better customizing over what I want to make each member.
For some reason I like Felix a lot. He's an asshole but man is he good in battle. It also helps that tsundere men make me weak in the knees.
 
NerdShamer said:
It gets worse, no matter which route you're on.
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Yeah, I was pretty pissed when GD tried to make me feel sad for her. I barely interacted with her outside of the month conversations, but they tried to paint it as I was deeply connected to her. Her fans are what really make me dislike her though.
 
Kamen Rider Black RX said:
Edelgard is really rubbing me the wrong way. She's like a child that needs to be corrected, but instead I cave in and give her what she wants.
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The three lords are a bunch of speds though
On one hand we got punished dimitri genociding people for shits and giggles
Edelgard is a bitch that could had avoided the war if she exposed the church from the start
And claude just...exists, yeah he pulls the courtain on the mole people but it never gets resolved
After the timeskip byleth stops being a mentor for the lords and become their personal tard wrangler
 
Edelgard’s haters are just as terrible. Comparing her to Hitler and nazis and accusing her fans of supporting imperialism and fascism. Both the “Edelgard did nothing wrong! You just hate her for being a female character!” and “Edelgard is literally Hitler and if you support her you are a nazi apologist.” camps are dumb as shit. Also hating or liking her aren’t unpopular opinions and it is annoying seeing people whine that they are in the minority for both sides.

Dimitri’s fanbase is awful too because it is full of fangirls who woobify him and give his actions a free pass. I found him downright insufferable in the first few post timeskip chapters in the BL route. I started liking him once he chilled the fuck out but they dragged his angst out so long that I almost dropped my BL playthrough.

This fandom cannot handle morally grey characters at all. Reducing the three lords to good or evil just misses the point of the characters entirely.
 
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SnowBall said:
This fandom cannot handle morally grey characters at all. Reducing the three lords to good or evil just misses the point of the characters entirely.
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Yup. It's Fates all over again where you can be called a white supremacist for pointing out Hoshido commits war crimes and Ryoma is supposed to be honorable rather than pragmatic.

Also, anyone else find the pacing in the second half off? Not just having to wait for each month's battle, but the events of the story going by way too quickly?
 
SnowBall said:
Dimitri’s fanbase is awful too because it is full of fangirls who woobify him and give his actions a free pass. I found him downright insufferable in the first few post timeskip chapters in the BL route. I started liking him once he chilled the fuck out but they dragged his angst out so long that I almost dropped my BL playthrough.

This fandom cannot handle morally grey characters at all. Reducing the three lords to good or evil just misses the point of the characters entirely.
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The Dimitri defense force is more insufferable in my experience.

I like Dimtri's arc and route entertainment wise and as a sort of breakdown of how the typical lord traits are taken to their most dangerous extreme, but Dimitri is a total asshole and his reasoning for fighting The Alliance in Golden Deer is pants on head stupid and just edgy nonsense. His route is fun, but Dimitri as a person is just awful especially until his big heel turn when he stops being a selfish angst demon. Why the more stereotypical edgelord Felix is the voice of reason and the only one to actually say how stupid Dimitri's mindset really is, is beyond me when even Felix's dad lets Dimitri do whatever he wants with barely a raised voice.


Kamen Rider Black RX said:
Also, anyone else find the pacing in the second half off? Not just having to wait for each month's battle, but the events of the story going by way too quickly?
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It does get a bit rushed mostly because everyone kind of knows where they need to go and it is only a hop skip and a jump away. Once they get an army rolling around chapter 15 they just have to march forward to Edelgard or Rhea depending on which route you're doing. Compare this to say Path of Radiance where you need to go through many more steps to amass any sort of army to fight Daein and they wanted to expand on important lore elements like the Laguz. A lot of fat is basically removed because IS clearly wanted everyone to play all the routes to get all the perspectives, so they didn't make the routes super long especially Edelgard's route which is only 18 chapters total.

The other nations around Fodlan (Brigid, Dagda, Almyra, Duscar) are completely unimportant except in Claude's route where Almyra matters sort of and Dimitri's route where Duscar only matters for event purposes and the main destinations are pretty close when your home base is in the middle of everything.
 
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of the FE fanbase is autistic; considering the fallout that this and Fates generated.
 
SnowBall said:
Edelgard’s haters are just as terrible. Comparing her to Hitler and nazis and accusing her fans of supporting imperialism and fascism. Both the “Edelgard did nothing wrong! You just hate her for being a female character!” and “Edelgard is literally Hitler and if you support her you are a nazi apologist.” camps are dumb as shit. Also hating or liking her aren’t unpopular opinions and it is annoying seeing people whine that they are in the minority for both sides.

Dimitri’s fanbase is awful too because it is full of fangirls who woobify him and give his actions a free pass. I found him downright insufferable in the first few post timeskip chapters in the BL route. I started liking him once he chilled the fuck out but they dragged his angst out so long that I almost dropped my BL playthrough.

This fandom cannot handle morally grey characters at all. Reducing the three lords to good or evil just misses the point of the characters entirely.
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Dimitri may have been a sperg but it is absolutely mind boggling to compare Dimitri and Edelgard and say they're equally morally grey. Claude is just straight up good.

Kamen Rider Black RX said:
Yup. It's Fates all over again where you can be called a white supremacist for pointing out Hoshido commits war crimes and Ryoma is supposed to be honorable rather than pragmatic.

Also, anyone else find the pacing in the second half off? Not just having to wait for each month's battle, but the events of the story going by way too quickly?
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Yes, the pacing is grueling in the second half. It's not helped by the fact that you get like one quest a month.
 
I never said that Dimitri and Edelgard are equally morally grey. All three of them are morally grey to different degrees. Claude is probably the least out of the three and more adjusted in comparison but I wouldn’t necessarily call him straight up good either.
 
I mean, both Edelgard and Dimitri are right. Generally speaking though they're made worse by thinking a) DESTROYING THE CHURCH IS THE ONLY WAY or b) EVERYONE BAD IS INVOLVED WITH DUSCUR

This whole thing could have been solved if they'd just you know, talked about it and decided to get rid of the insane lizard pope, before cutting the heads off've the edgelord mole people.

I'm not complaining though, I prefer morally grey characters.
 
I want to join Edelgard but I know about the split path and fear she isn't as around as much as Claude because I know a certain path is very short.......
 
Edelgard would have been right if Hanneman didn't create a crest alternative in all 4 routes. Linhardt also creates a way to remove crests if you do his ending with Lysithea, iirc. Honestly, Rhea didn't need to die either, but she never would have told the truth and Edelgard wouldn't have believed it anyways because she was set on Seiros bad Nemesis good.

Edelgard does appear on her route quite a bit, it's just short.
 
Or you have Sylvain managing to convince the nobles that Crests and Relics are unimportant in his endings.

Seriously, playing BE after learning the truth makes Edelgard that much more dislikable than she probably would have been if I had done BE first. I also find it ironic that she blames the Church for the nobility when Church doctrine actually criticizes what the nobles have been doing according to the library. As it stands, it was the EMPIRE that created the issue since there weren't any other kingdoms back then.
 
Kind of really hate how insignificant Claude feels in the other two routes. Also not a fan of every route but Edelgard's own she's just straight up killed. It almost feels like there's a bias towards Dimitri most of the time and I really do NOT care for him as he has shades of most of the other "King Antagonist" arch-types in the series that isn't really addressed anywhere but his own route. I wish there was more bleed between the main characters because as it stands, picking one damns everyone else of their role in the story to just "boss eventually" and that drives me up the wall since all 3 have their positives and negatives.

I'm really bummed that nothing develops between Claude and Edelgard; Claude early in his route expresses similar amounts of distrust and desire to change things as Edelgard does, but his cooler temperament causes him to put a halt on any extreme thoughts. I get that Edelgard basically orchestrates the conflict, but honestly I feel like that only happens because she doesn't have anyone else who will give her ideas the time of day. Or at least, someone who isn't a bootlicker. The game tells you the bads of the world. (Crests, the Church, Nobles, etc.) Yet none of the main characters get to have moments where they're allowed to be challenged in ways outside of battle it feels. Had the two interacted more, I'm sure there would have been a ton of compromises between Claude and Edelgard that could have prevented much of the bloodshed at the cost of potentially harder battles, more enemies on all sides, and more plans to weed out the corruption in all the factions which could have been an interesting ending in it's own right.

And it's not like it would have been a golden ending either; in a route such as that, you basically force a massive divide in the entire country and shake up the power structure of all it's factions without having much of an alternative to replace it with. Depending on who you side with, Claude or Edelgard could've died/you lose one side of their Houses, maybe you're forced to kill Rhea or Dimitri, corrupt nobility could orchestrate attempts to grab at power against a disadvantaged people, etc. Something other than.

I guess I'm just rambling because I actually really fucking dig the story. And I do kinda get that the bittersweet "no happy endings" writing is what they were going for. I just kind of want more. I want to see a version of the story where Edelgard is proven wrong and has to backtrack on her plans a bit. I want to see a version of the story where Claude has to play his cards way more dishonestly than he does in-game in order to get ahead for the greater good. I'd like to have seen the scales constantly be tipping in other character's favors at extreme speeds, keeping me guessing as the game goes on. I want to see a version of the story where Dimitri dances more thoroughly with his dark side. What we have is really good, so much that I am asking for more at all.

But it is the truth. I do want more. This game is so appealing in that way.
 
Any story changes if you recruit certain characters? Like....i didn't get Alois so in the post timeskip scene he was replaced with a generic solder when the professors meet you in the academy for example
 
jellycar said:
Any story changes if you recruit certain characters? Like....i didn't get Alois so in the post timeskip scene he was replaced with a generic solder when the professors meet you in the academy for example
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Major story changes? No, that soldier will serve the same purpose, even assuming Alois ever appeared in a cutscene again. Most only have lines when you talk to them around the school and don't even appear in cutscenes.
 
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