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Berrakh said:
Taking action, especially difficult action, is a mark of maturity. Disagree if you like but let’s be clear: I didn’t bring up Maturity as a theme of debate, I just answered the terms set by someone else who was precluding anything “too aggressive” from the realm of psychology adulthood. So I was actually never suggesting an overly narrow set of criteria to be mature. And how I elected to dispute the matter was not criticized as a misunderstanding of his point so I must have framed the issue well enough.
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Anyone can take action, it doesn't mean the action is sensible or a sign of maturity. Even a toddler throwing a tantrum is taking action in their own way, making a point to annoy and air grievances to try to get what they want. Conversely, that is exactly what I think Edelgard is: an emotionally-stunted teenager lashing out at the world around her for her suffering by attacking the people she feels fueled her misfortune. She's not a mature woman working for a better future, she's a brat using violence to get her way while refusing to consider other possibilities. Remember, Dimitri sympathizes with her stated goal of uplifting the common folk, but feels that the world she proposes will devolve into a new tyranny of the powerful and ambitious trampling upon the weak no differently than the worst of the nobility. Edelgard brushed that criticism off as him not being as strong as her.
 
Berrakh said:
Taking action, especially difficult action, is a mark of maturity. Disagree if you like but let’s be clear: I didn’t bring up Maturity as a theme of debate, I just answered the terms set by someone else who was precluding anything “too aggressive” from the realm of psychology adulthood. So I was actually never suggesting an overly narrow set of criteria to be mature. And how I elected to dispute the matter was not criticized as a misunderstanding of his point so I must have framed the issue well enough.

Given how lost you seem to be here, why are you persisting? You haven’t shown me you have a real point to make.
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Okay but the topic organically shifted towards what constitutes maturity, especially considering you started arguing on those grounds and criticizing others for not sharing your same viewpoint on it. Literally the only thing I'm disagreeing with is what qualities you're insisting are hallmarks of mature conduct and adulthood.

Are you the one who's lost in this conversation? Is that why you're trying to say that I'm lost?

I'm not even trying to imply, suggest, or even outright state you're an Edelgard fan yourself. That's not even remotely my point here. I am strictly questioning what you define as "maturity". Because, yes, taking difficult action can be a mature thing to do, but there's several context-sensitive qualities that can recontextualize those same hard actions as being poorly decided upon – or "immature", to put it in another way.
 
Flaming Insignias said:
Anyone can take action, it doesn't mean the action is sensible or a sign of maturity. Even a toddler throwing a tantrum is taking action in their own way, making a point to annoy and air grievances to try to get what they want. Conversely, that is exactly what I think Edelgard is: an emotionally-stunted teenager lashing out at the world around her for her suffering by attacking the people she feels fueled her misfortune. She's not a mature woman working for a better future, she's a brat using violence to get her way while refusing to consider other possibilities. Remember, Dimitri sympathizes with her stated goal of uplifting the common folk, but feels that the world she proposes will devolve into a new tyranny of the powerful and ambitious trampling upon the weak no differently than the worst of the nobility. Edelgard brushed that criticism off as him not being as strong as her.
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What actions are we talking about? Your holistic appraisal of how justified her war was given an omniscient pov is not “an action.” I also don’t think the decisions of the Imperial Majesty are subject to the same moralizing as if she were making a totally personal decision. That’s not a sober view of any great power.

And the toddler comparison is undercut by exactly the point I was making (that you rated as autistic). She’s not behaving like a toddler when she’s carefully concealing her build up of forces and ousting her political rivals.

Her glibness toward Dimitri could be read as her throwing a tantrum, if you already believed she was, or it could be read as her saying she’s strong enough to take accountability.

Why should I buy this narrative that she has a compromised level of maturity? That what she did could just be reduced to that? What would force me to think that without already wishing to?

I think this whole argument is motivated by personal dislike of the tumblrfags and gays who make up her online fandom. THEY take an immature view that it’s okay to reshape the world as they see fit because they think it will be nicer afterward. But I’m not convinced that was ever written into Edelgard. She thought she was a Woman of Destiny who had the miraculous opportunity and justification to take the world by storm… like Napoleon. That her trauma and the impossibility of a normal life in its wake made her best suited to take the burden onto herself. Which is proven not to be just self-aggrandizement when she sacrifices herself to become the Hegemon or to help Byleth deal the finishing blow to Rhea.

This is different from what an indignant and distraught individual would do. An immature person would ask others to take these risks then shirk it themselves after finding some excuse.

Gravemind said:
Okay but the topic organically shifted towards what constitutes maturity, especially considering you started arguing on those grounds and criticizing others for not sharing your same viewpoint on it. Literally the only thing I'm disagreeing with is what qualities you're insisting are hallmarks of mature conduct and adulthood.

Are you the one who's lost in this conversation? Is that why you're trying to say that I'm lost?
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Because I had to explain its genesis to you. And thus who bears the burden of proof.

Let me help you: when you play Basketball, sometimes people steal the ball from you and dribble it back the down the other side of the court. That doesn’t mean you weren’t trying to score on them.
 
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>you will never be able to redpill seteth

why even live
 
In terms of material disagreements I don’t think there are many: I think Edelgard is the de facto antagonist, I think she and her route (no use separating the two right now) are not well written, I think her fans use her as a springboard for their own fanon, and I doubt I even agree with her stated goals. But we’re still stuck in the mud.

I’m not sure if I want to declare this matter a subjective one or not. On the one hand it relies a lot on how you read Edelgard’s psychology, but on the other it relies on a premise that unilaterally commandeering society is just a power fantasy.

The latter part is especially weird because people who dislike Edelgard usually consider themselves right wing and based but are suggesting the “it’s actually weak to want to be strong” sentiments the Left often does.

It’s like the Dorothea argument where I say “even in the worst case, being essentially groomed but having the good sense to leave are not life history and instincts of an Onlyfans whore” and the other side says it’s the same which only redistributes the sympathy Dorothea should get to thousands of undeserving girls who are less human than her digital persona. That didn’t sound based to me either.
 
TheDarknessGrows said:
I never did get that new Fire Emblem. Did it all turn out good?
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It was a dimwit game, which means it has healthier discourse than the midwit game of Three Houses.

There are no Sylvains and Edelgards who can act as vessels of self-aggrandizing desires and fail to capture the higher potential they aimed for. Those are the characters who produce the most fanon and aggressively charitable (or horrifyingly rash) interpretations in the minds of the Gamer Race.
 
TheDarknessGrows said:
I never did get that new Fire Emblem. Did it all turn out good?
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It's very good if you like the other Fire Emblem games. The story is kind of lame but it does a good job on the gameplay part. The only people who seem to really dislike it are people who only played Three Houses for the social simulation part. There's still a little bit of that stuff in Engage but it's toned way down compared to Three Houses.
 
Berrakh said:
Because I had to explain its genesis to you. And thus who bears the burden of proof.

Let me help you: when you play Basketball, sometimes people steal the ball from you and dribble it back the down the other side of the court. That doesn’t mean you weren’t trying to score on them.
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You didn't have to explain the discussion's genesis to me, though? I've been reading the thread since I posted my initial question about Edelgardfags.

Are these basketball players with us in the thread right now?

Neurotypical Mantis said:
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Man, I would not mind the Edelgard waifufags so much if they didn't dress up their waifufaggotry in 11 layers of pseudo-intellectual self-justification to explain how literally everyone else (especially Dimitri) is stupid and bad and Edelgard is objectively right and perfect.
 
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Berrakh said:
It was a dimwit game, which means it has healthier discourse than the midwit game of Three Houses.

There are no Sylvains and Edelgards who can act as vessels of self-aggrandizing desires and fail to capture the higher potential they aimed for. Those are the characters who produce the most fanon and aggressively charitable (or horrifyingly rash) interpretations in the minds of the Gamer Race.
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But Edelgard did nothing wrong and Dimitri deserved it.
 
Neurotypical Mantis said:
ngl chief i forget half of the blue lions exist on a daily basis
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This is why she is standing out. Besides coom deers and their loli bait egdy girl, literal Flattershy, blacked coomer wet dream and a tomboy. Lions has Annette, her friend, the nun, another tomboy, but with a quirk about knighthood instead of paying back monetary debts in coom deer house, literal 5000 year old descendant of dragon, dyke bait, that coomers shipped with female characters only. Black eagles have Edgygard ( who is infatuated by Byleth. But in platonic sense. Coomers always draw her and female Byleth as lesbians), agoraphobic girl with neuroticism, foreign exchange student and opera singer. On neutral side there are 2 merc and teacher.
 
There Is Light At The End said:
This is why she is standing out. Besides coom deers and their loli bait egdy girl, literal Flattershy, blacked coomer wet dream and a tomboy. Lions has Annette, her friend, the nun, another tomboy, but with a quirk about knighthood instead of paying back monetary debts in coom deer house, literal 5000 year old descendant of dragon, dyke bait, that coomers shipped with female characters only. Black eagles have Edgygard ( who is infatuated by Byleth. But in platonic sense. Coomers always draw her and female Byleth as lesbians), agoraphobic girl with neuroticism, foreign exchange student and opera singer. On neutral side there are 2 merc and teacher.
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this is all schizo words
annette is just the stereotypical clumsy one but with bonus dad left to get milk
 
I've probably mentioned this earlier, but fire emblem is a pretty weak sauce franchise for waifu worship. Anyway, here's my personal white whale that the Japanese translation industry refuses to give me.
 

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You can’t go into a Fire Emblem thread on 4chan without Hildanons drawing tiny spades on all of their art. Sick people.

Honestly the Golden Deer are the coomer house. I should have just asserted that from the start with no proof at all.
 
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