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Dang Woodchucks! said:
Another key element that's being overlooked is the twitter sperg that did the so called FE_Truth account...
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Right, Rybean. That melodramatic shit about Goose at the end there is so ridiculous. I guess simping for FE e-thots will make you do some crazy shit. I find it funny that absolutely no one (of note, at least) tried to defend him or even vouch for him that he just made a mistake. I guess all that sucking up didn't really endear him to anyone.

I don't have it, but there's a funny exchange between him and Mekkah where Mekkah really fucking lets into him. It was the only reason he ever fessed up and made that twitlonger in the first place.
 
Etched said:
Right, Rybean. That melodramatic shit about Goose at the end there is so ridiculous. I guess simping for FE e-thots will make you do some crazy shit. I find it funny that absolutely no one (of note, at least) tried to defend him or even vouch for him that he just made a mistake. I guess all that sucking up didn't really endear him to anyone.

I don't have it, but there's a funny exchange between him and Mekkah where Mekkah really fucking lets into him. It was the only reason he ever fessed up and made that twitlonger in the first place.
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all this is really funny considering we now know that Goose is a junkie.
 
I browsed this thread as a minor refresher to when this drama first broke in 2020, this post if you want to do so yourself (warning: A lot of sperging about 3H in-between drama posts), found some very funny in hindsight posts given all that happened this week.
JamusActimus said:
I agree tho Mekkah is quite an anti cow by being neutral and level headed
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Zeke Von Genbu said:
Mekkah with the LTC strat of staying the fuck out of this is what will save his channel in the long run
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:story:
 
I really can't see why people can get obsessed with these FE Tubers, especially since they're an dime an dozen. Except for Mangs, of course. But considering how gay the drama over him has gotten, I won't be surprised if there's an few more controversies that was swept under the rug.
 
NerdShamer said:
I really can't see why people can get obsessed with these FE Tubers, especially since they're an dime an dozen. Except for Mangs, of course. But considering how gay the drama over him has gotten, I won't be surprised if there's an few more controversies that was swept under the rug.
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there's quite a few, but the thing is that nobody pays attention to this community since it's so small and there's no real competitive nature to shit outside of FEH and LTC faggotry.

look up the pro smash player Inui. he was a "prominent" member of the FE community once upon a time too.
 
I'd like to butt in here to say one simple thing: FETubing and LTCs have been a disaster for the community. It feels like everyone has taken Mekkah's pitfalls video as pure perfect gospel, and suddenly the community started violently hating any character that isn't a cavalier and ignoring decades of prior advice and conventions in favor of "Jagens are perfect units that can carry you the entire game." Adding in the toxic culture that has grown around them and how it has metastasized into the modding community and then other Turn-Based Strategy Games, and it makes it really frustrating trying to play Fire Emblem for fun around these guys.
 
Flaming Insignias said:
I'd like to butt in here to say one simple thing: FETubing and LTCs have been a disaster for the community. It feels like everyone has taken Mekkah's pitfalls video as pure perfect gospel, and suddenly the community started violently hating any character that isn't a cavalier and ignoring decades of prior advice and conventions in favor of "Jagens are perfect units that can carry you the entire game." Adding in the toxic culture that has grown around them and how it has metastasized into the modding community and then other Turn-Based Strategy Games, and it makes it really frustrating trying to play Fire Emblem for fun around these guys.
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yeah Mekkah's just ripping off forum posts. Dude isn't even one of the autists who get into FE tier list or unit viability discussions.

he then took all this shit and put it into youtube videos without putting any nuance on it.


what a snake.
 
Alexander Thaut said:
yeah Mekkah's just ripping off forum posts. Dude isn't even one of the autists who get into FE tier list or unit viability discussions.

he then took all this shit and put it into youtube videos without putting any nuance on it.


what a snake.
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This is why Mekkah always cucks to other people when he has them on for his tier list videos.

The 3H one especially he did this a lot, because he had a major 3H autist who just frankly knew the game far more then he did, and he just reordered his tier list based on everything he said. He does this with dondon too, Mekkah basically can't argue with anyone unless they're someone who tries to unironically say "Amelia is best unit because stats if you sit and grind for 5 hours".
 
Flaming Insignias said:
I'd like to butt in here to say one simple thing: FETubing and LTCs have been a disaster for the community. It feels like everyone has taken Mekkah's pitfalls video as pure perfect gospel, and suddenly the community started violently hating any character that isn't a cavalier and ignoring decades of prior advice and conventions in favor of "Jagens are perfect units that can carry you the entire game." Adding in the toxic culture that has grown around them and how it has metastasized into the modding community and then other Turn-Based Strategy Games, and it makes it really frustrating trying to play Fire Emblem for fun around these guys.
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Honestly, I could never get into MeKKKa, his voice along with his know-nothing-know-it-all, "terminally huffing his own farts" act really was just grating, long before any drama. Honestly, in hindsight you can sort of hear him seethe any time when Mangs goes off the rails and makes decisions based off his gut or just for the memes.

I long ago made a decision to disregard tryhards that insist "my way is the only way thing can be done". Sadly it seems the FE fanbase can't think for itself.
 
Zeke Von Genbu said:
This is why Mekkah always cucks to other people when he has them on for his tier list videos.

The 3H one especially he did this a lot, because he had a major 3H autist who just frankly knew the game far more then he did, and he just reordered his tier list based on everything he said. He does this with dondon too, Mekkah basically can't argue with anyone unless they're someone who tries to unironically say "Amelia is best unit because stats if you sit and grind for 5 hours".
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Never understood people making tier list for 3H with maddening in mind. It's not a real difficulty mode just a shitty not playtested mess.
3H tier lists should be made with hard mode in mind just like awakening.
 
Flaming Insignias said:
I'd like to butt in here to say one simple thing: FETubing and LTCs have been a disaster for the community. It feels like everyone has taken Mekkah's pitfalls video as pure perfect gospel...
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Yeah. What I think ended up happening us that when a bunch of casuals got introduced to the series with Awakening they all flocked to Mekkah's pitfall shit like you said. Nothing in it is particularly groundbreaking advice, but when you're a casual who has no idea how to find or have done any actual high level FE playing (if you could even call it that) like LTCs and the like to give you any perspective, it becomes very easy to think you're hot shit and become intolerable because you think Jagens aren't EXP thieves.
Zeke Von Genbu said:
This is why Mekkah always cucks to other people when he has them on for his tier list videos.
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I remember watching part of Mekkah's New Mystery tier list, and he had to make like 2 extra hour plus long parts with Dondon because he fucked up so many placements. It really bewilders me that Mekkah got this "FE expert" reputation when outside of the GBA games and maybe Thracia he doesn't seem to know any of them all that well. I guess part of it is that he played the smart straight man to Mangs for so long that people actually started to believe it.
 
Etched said:
Yeah. What I think ended up happening us that when a bunch of casuals got introduced to the series with Awakening they all flocked to Mekkah's pitfall shit like you said. Nothing in it is particularly groundbreaking advice, but when you're a casual who has no idea how to find or have done any actual high level FE playing (if you could even call it that) like LTCs and the like to give you any perspective, it becomes very easy to think you're hot shit and become intolerable because you think Jagens aren't EXP thieves.

I remember watching part of Mekkah's New Mystery tier list, and he had to make like 2 extra hour plus long parts with Dondon because he fucked up so many placements. It really bewilders me that Mekkah got this "FE expert" reputation when outside of the GBA games and maybe Thracia he doesn't seem to know any of them all that well. I guess part of it is that he played the smart straight man to Mangs for so long that people actually started to believe it.
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well there's also the thing where people found it easier to believe that he wasn't like the "evil egghead" because he condoned Mangs, etc etc

it's a shame we don't have good FE unit analysis/review in general. I can't think of any of them that don't sound like fart-huffers.
 
JamusActimus said:
Never understood people making tier list for 3H with maddening in mind. It's not a real difficulty mode just a shitty not playtested mess.
3H tier lists should be made with hard mode in mind just like awakening.
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Maddening made me hate 3H almost as much as Awakening. I liked it fine for the first year or so it came out, but trying to push through maddening was so horrible that I quit, and in hindsight the maps are fucking garbage and the game is just repetitive due to how shit the maps are. I can play Radiant Dawn multiple times just fine slow animations and all, long rout maps, shitty dawn brigade chapters, but 3H despite being so quick feels like such a slog due to everything else design wise.

No one should play maddening, and hard mode is boring too because the enemies are easy after your first playthrough.

Etched said:
Yeah. What I think ended up happening us that when a bunch of casuals got introduced to the series with Awakening they all flocked to Mekkah's pitfall shit like you said. Nothing in it is particularly groundbreaking advice, but when you're a casual who has no idea how to find or have done any actual high level FE playing (if you could even call it that) like LTCs and the like to give you any perspective, it becomes very easy to think you're hot shit and become intolerable because you think Jagens aren't EXP thieves.

I remember watching part of Mekkah's New Mystery tier list, and he had to make like 2 extra hour plus long parts with Dondon because he fucked up so many placements. It really bewilders me that Mekkah got this "FE expert" reputation when outside of the GBA games and maybe Thracia he doesn't seem to know any of them all that well. I guess part of it is that he played the smart straight man to Mangs for so long that people actually started to believe it.
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Honestly the whole "Jeigans suck" thing was a really really overblown idea amongst a lot of people back in Mekkah's hayday. People unironically thought Seth in FE8 was bad because "muh jeigan", fucking Seth of all characters in FE8. People unironically think Lyn is some power house because she doubles everything for like 6 damage. People can't do basic multiplication or count so they think 10% extra growths on Donnel when he is missing so many stats at base compared to Chrom/Vaike/Sully/Stahl/literally anyone somehow makes Donnel a power house because insert dumb endgame story here.

Overrating growths and underrating bases was a very real "pitfall" people had, some also tended to undervalue movement but that's more a playstyle thing as people don't care if they turtle for 30 turns in a chapter. People gave this type of shitty advice for years, when all it takes is basic logic and math to determine that it was horseshit. Now for the sake of fun, statistics don't matter, but if you want to give "optimal GAMER tips" you should probably learn that the difference between 65% and 55% growth means you on avg gain +1 in a stat over the course of 10 levels. If you need a 20 minute youtube video to explain that, well so be it I guess.

Mekkah's Fates takes are also fucking garbage because Mekkah plays like he's a grandpa trying to learn what a gameboy does, he legit can't track anything except basic stats. He also doesn't know how to read into various pair up combos like Selena + Peri to get Selena to Cavalier so she can get the first Cav skill to basically give Selena effectively +3 strength, and only knows basic bitch shit like "Charlotte makes Xander god" yet he tends to undervalue Keaton/Arthur who does almost the same thing for their respective pair up partners.
 
Alexander Thaut said:
it's a shame we don't have good FE unit analysis/review in general. I can't think of any of them that don't sound like fart-huffers.
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They do exist to an extent (I remember seeing a pretty decent Noish one recently) but they're all either hard as fuck to find or the audio mixing is so incredibly terrible it's not even worth watching. (For some reason terrible audio mixing is a very common trend for people making FE analysis for whatever reason, no clue why). Say what you will about Mangs, but he frequently gave even very small youtubers shoutouts or collabs on his channel. Of course now the the last semi-relevant FE youtuber in Mekkah is telling everyone to not even associate with anyone who works with Mangs, I doubt well see much more of that. Oh, but he'll still have all of the videos he did with Mangs on his channel so he can still profit of them, though.

Of course, you could always make your own videos! Couldn't be too hard I imagine. But maybe that defeats the point.
Zeke Von Genbu said:
Mekkah's Fates takes are also fucking garbage because Mekkah plays like he's a grandpa trying to learn what a gameboy does, he legit can't track anything except basic stats... He also doesn't know how to read into various pair up combos and only knows basic bitch shit like "Charlotte makes Xander god"...
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I remember hearing that when he tried to ironman Conquest Hard or Lunatic (can't remember which one now) he gave up pretty quick and had to get someone to help him out. Mangs acts like a fool compared to Mekkah's smarmy attitude, but if he could successfully ironman Conquest on Lunatic that makes him pretty damn good in my book.

Honestly, I don't know why Mekkah doesn't branch out, especially when his channel is stagnating like it is. I think his bullshit reason for not wanting to play the Kaga Saga games has already been discussed, but why hedoesn't take a deeper dive at games like Fates or New Mystery is beyond me. I guess it's just easier to play the GBA games for the umpteenth time.
 
I suppose the community is going through a growing pain where everyone is a game design giga brain. It was really obvious that nobody wanted these rebalance hacks like FE6 redux back in the day, but now people really need to mend Oujay by giving him +1 strength. Sucks since it looks like nothing can take the place of over analysis when it comes to discussion of the older games.
 
Etched said:
I remember hearing that when he tried to ironman Conquest Hard or Lunatic (can't remember which one now) he gave up pretty quick and had to get someone to help him out. Mangs acts like a fool compared to Mekkah's smarmy attitude, but if he could successfully ironman Conquest on Lunatic that makes him pretty damn good in my book.

Honestly, I don't know why Mekkah doesn't branch out, especially when his channel is stagnating like it is. I think his bullshit reason for not wanting to play the Kaga Saga games has already been discussed, but why hedoesn't take a deeper dive at games like Fates or New Mystery is beyond me. I guess it's just easier to play the GBA games for the umpteenth time.
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Mekkah literally can't comprehend Fates' systems. It confuses him because it goes beyond stats, weapons, and class due to pair up combos and skill systems that build up steadily over the course of a playthrough and make enemy phasing harder then just "What my def vs enemy atk?". It is why he can't properly evaluate 3 houses either, but Fates I think is worse for him. Why not New Mystery? Who knows really? I'd figure it is more "classic", but maybe that class changing system confuses him too. Mekkah is somehow a total boomer when he plays new fangled fire emblem when he's only in I think his 30s at most.

If their is anything Mekkah should have played it'd be Pokemon Arceus, I know he likes Pokemon and Arceus might cheer him up considering it is something of a major step (relative to Pokemon anyway) and maybe seeing Mekkah be excited about something for once might make things interesting for people that actually like him. I'd assume he'd want to play it anyway, so their is little harm in just going at his own pace and taking it all in. Mangs became an Advanced Wars channel overtime, so Mekkah can probably get into Pokemon. Their is an autistic hardcore nuzlocker named Pokemon Challenges who pulls in pretty good views so Pokemon has some level of autism attraction.
 
Etched said:
Yeah. What I think ended up happening us that when a bunch of casuals got introduced to the series with Awakening they all flocked to Mekkah's pitfall shit like you said. Nothing in it is particularly groundbreaking advice, but when you're a casual who has no idea how to find or have done any actual high level FE playing (if you could even call it that) like LTCs and the like to give you any perspective, it becomes very easy to think you're hot shit and become intolerable because you think Jagens aren't EXP thieves.
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Honestly, the Growths vs Bases Debate feels like a severe pendulum shift, going from people thinking Jagens are EXP thieves and nothing more to people declaring anyone that doesn't feed Jagen half of the enemies on a map is some scrub for not using perfect LTC strats; this problem has likely been exacerbated by 0% growth runs making bases seem even more important while ignoring the fact that pre-promotes are still often overshadowed by trained units introduced around the same time.
Zeke Von Genbu said:
Mekkah literally can't comprehend Fates' systems. It confuses him because it goes beyond stats, weapons, and class due to pair up combos and skill systems that build up steadily over the course of a playthrough and make enemy phasing harder then just "What my def vs enemy atk?". It is why he can't properly evaluate 3 houses either, but Fates I think is worse for him. Why not New Mystery? Who knows really? I'd figure it is more "classic", but maybe that class changing system confuses him too. Mekkah is somehow a total boomer when he plays new fangled fire emblem when he's only in I think his 30s at most.
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I will give some leeway to Mekkah: the class changing and skills add a lot of complication that can make the game either really easy or really hard based on how much you feel like modifying units. Having one or the other is relatively easier to manage since you don't have to play games pertaining to stat and growth bonuses certain classes offer in comparison to others. Sometimes you just want gameplay that can be summarized as "this unit is in x class with y bases and z growths, here's how they stack up to their fellow units in that class" rather than trying to determine what class is better for a unit and what skills you should slap onto them.
 
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