Fire Emblem series

[AzuraAquafina]

Oh man, this series. I must confess that some years back, I tried playing one of the older games. Honestly I can't remember the name for the life of me, but I remember that one of my units died and for some reason I couldn't find them on my roster. And the characters didn't acknowledge it. Ever since then, I felt some sort of lingering shadow over me that made me question what the hell kind of game it was. I didn't touch a FE game since then.

And then FE:IF came around and I played both Birthright and Conquest. Looking for some time to play the third game. I have begun 3 Houses and I'm enjoying it so far. I must confess that I have yet to see the appeal in Golden Deer, since that seems to be the fan favorite. I hope that house is okay; Dimiti and Edelgard have quite the vendetta again each other.

The appeal of GD is that they're the 'outsider' house or the outcast of misfits house. The roster composition is pretty neat with what they offer gameplay-wise. Leonie and Hilda are pretty great, and Marrianne is a bit of a jack of all trades where some of her kit might encourage you to go for a more offensive build rather than a healer.

Personally I don't find Claude as a character all that interesting. I've always found him to be an annoying dipshit and the hamfisted dialogue doesn't make it any better. I'm sure there are things to like about him but he isn't for me.

Is it just me or do people try way too hard to pick apart Sacred Stones? A lot of the writing criticism I've seen so far either stem from not paying enough attention to the text or complaining about a character being reasonably consistent. It doesn't help that people like Chaz have re.tarded opinions of the game because "durr, you grind there" and that people have a tendency to absorb opinions from e-celebs.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

Oh man, this series. I must confess that some years back, I tried playing one of the older games. Honestly I can't remember the name for the life of me, but I remember that one of my units died and for some reason I couldn't find them on my roster. And the characters didn't acknowledge it. Ever since then, I felt some sort of lingering shadow over me that made me question what the hell kind of game it was. I didn't touch a FE game since then.

And then FE:IF came around and I played both Birthright and Conquest. Looking for some time to play the third game. I have begun 3 Houses and I'm enjoying it so far. I must confess that I have yet to see the appeal in Golden Deer, since that seems to be the fan favorite. I hope that house is okay; Dimiti and Edelgard have quite the vendetta again each other.

Golden Deer as a route plot-wise has some worthwhile info that to me changes the entire context of this conflict so it is worth playing through. The characters have a good amount of potential, my favorite is Lorenz who gets shafted in the time skip, but are very half baked in the second half (like most characters tbh) so that sucks. Claude and Lorenz's entire dynamic just goes out the window plot wise and they just become friends because A support. They are a very interesting set of units if you refuse to cross recruit for some reason, Lorenz is a pretty neat mage outside of maddening mode and has good contrast with Lysithea because of their very different stat spreads. It is also the most "pointless" faction I feel so outside of their own route they feel like a side quest that you're forced to acknowledge over an actual presence.

FE IF/Fates is pretty alright, but don't play the 3rd game it is arguably the absolute worst FE game ever made and is the worst FE made since the GBA era for sure. It is gimmicky trash to play through and the story is a joke. Save your money.

 

[Mage of Conquest]

I thought I replied in this thead, but I guess I didn't? My bad...

The appeal of GD is that they're the 'outsider' house or the outcast of misfits house. The roster composition is pretty neat with what they offer gameplay-wise. Leonie and Hilda are pretty great, and Marrianne is a bit of a jack of all trades where some of her kit might encourage you to go for a more offensive build rather than a healer.

Personally I don't find Claude as a character all that interesting. I've always found him to be an annoying dipshit and the hamfisted dialogue doesn't make it any better. I'm sure there are things to like about him but he isn't for me.

Is it just me or do people try way too hard to pick apart Sacred Stones? A lot of the writing criticism I've seen so far either stem from not paying enough attention to the text or complaining about a character being reasonably consistent. It doesn't help that people like Chaz have re.tarded opinions of the game because "durr, you grind there" and that people have a tendency to absorb opinions from e-celebs.

Yeah, I just wasn't fond of Claude to begin with. It's probably why I didn't join the deers, but I do like some of the students in said house. And so based on your wording, it sounds like I can recruit them despite being in a different house. Neat! Just wish you can recruit all BUT the house leader.

And huh. Sacred Stones, huh? I think I'll try that next, but I do understand where you're coming from with that. For me, I have to play through a game at least 2 or more times to understand the story or any other story/game element. Would you consider that over analyzing?

Golden Deer as a route plot-wise has some worthwhile info that to me changes the entire context of this conflict so it is worth playing through. The characters have a good amount of potential, my favorite is Lorenz who gets shafted in the time skip, but are very half baked in the second half (like most characters tbh) so that sucks. Claude and Lorenz's entire dynamic just goes out the window plot wise and they just become friends because A support. They are a very interesting set of units if you refuse to cross recruit for some reason, Lorenz is a pretty neat mage outside of maddening mode and has good contrast with Lysithea because of their very different stat spreads. It is also the most "pointless" faction I feel so outside of their own route they feel like a side quest that you're forced to acknowledge over an actual presence.

FE IF/Fates is pretty alright, but don't play the 3rd game it is arguably the absolute worst FE game ever made and is the worst FE made since the GBA era for sure. It is gimmicky trash to play through and the story is a joke. Save your money.

Okay, cool. I thought I was the only one who thought the deer house was not necessary as being an entity in the game, but I guess it is because sure? Sorry if I misread. I do plan on recruiting students from the other houses, so that's exciting.

No to Revelations? Got it. I didn't really appreciate the fact that it's a thing when Birthright, Conquest, and Revelations should've been one game all together. While it was nice to get to play both sides, I just wish Birthright and Conquest were put together. If memory serves, even the beginning still gives you the choice between Hoshido and Nohr. Why are you asking me anyways when my initial version choice is obvious? Dramatic effect? Even then, when you choose the other route, it tells you to get the other game. I think. It's been a while.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

The best part is that Mangs admits in the video that "The Community" may never accept him back, and that's ok, he'll just do his own thing.

... and the clout chasers are still REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'ing the fuck out.

Like, why do y'all still care? He's not here to hang with you, he just need to eat. If Chaz "I only take one condom to one night stands my day job pays for" Aria gets to ignore people and keep his career, so does Mangs.

And also: the whole Dawn Brigade fucking sucks statwise, except the guy with the axe. People who say otherwise are fucking lying.

They hate Mangs because he's able to draw attention from people and is like the only FEtuber that isn't bland as shit or hipster.

Mangs isn't entirely a good person, neither is Chaz or the people that victim-blamed Indie. I know people tend to chalk up Mangs as just being a dumb coomer, but people do genuinely take issues with his behavior outside of him having edgy cringe humor. A lot of them didn't even know Mangs until this shitfest happened. Now if we're talking about just the fetubers that continued to work with him who likely knew the ongoings of AnimeNorth, yeah I don't think these people have a leg to stand on.

So something that isn't e-celeb related, I'm now in chapter 5 and I just realized that Seth has 28 skill and that I had a master seal. I guess that's what happens when you're too lazy to check inventory and whatnot. I hope I don't need to worry too much about getting a Lunar Brace for Moulder.

Spoiler: new units

-Artur is a myrmidon with similar stats to Moulder. I guess I failed to mention that Moulder is a glass cannon who has 3 defense and no luck. Artur ended up with warding blow even though has no res to back him up.
-Lute and Natasha are Tarvos. They have a high HP pool which is refreshing to see considering most people in my group are made of wet tissue paper.
-L'arachel is a male priest, Dozla is a three-headed doggo, and Rennac is obviously unrandomized. I don't know if these are finalized or if they get re-randomized.

Mangs isn't a good person but at least he didn't try a botched Gay Op.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

I imagine people still bend over backwards for Edel in r/Edelgard. Yes, that subreddit actually exist. I think I remember briefly coming across a giant Google doc that was over analyzing Edelgard as a character. They got really antsy over the translators, which I guess is worth noting that the worst kind of stans are the ones that get autistic over translation. I think the biggest bend over backwards I've seen is with Kostas.

Any time I see someone treat Dimitri or his route as some representation for mental illness or something like that a part of me dies a little. I played AM first and even I can tell you that route had some pretty spotty writing. Though I am a little curious if Ghast's video is anything autistic. Maybe I'll make a TL;DR.

Edelgard is sort of interesting, but 3H didn't go the extra oomph they could have if this wasn't a Nintendo curated IP.

Chaz is the closest to a prolific one that I know and we know how that went. Chaz is such a kaga stan that he tried to argue that FE1 is one of the better Fire Emblems (because he wants to ignore how dated it is because "every game can be dated"), as in the original FE1 not Shadow Dragon he said this in some FE game tier list video he made with a bunch of other youtubers. I remember Chaz making other weird takes in this video, such as his very unusual hatred towards Sacred Stones, but I can't be fucked to watch it again. Most kaga stans I see are random redditors that show up usually to shit on people who like the 3DS and beyond games, and sometimes to shit on every game post FE5 for good measure.

As a brief return to the Mangs topic regarding his suicide baiting in his comeback video, according to Jake/CyanYoh (his former editor) Mangs was not baiting his suicide whatsoever. The only reason I bring this up is just for completeness reasons in case this topic ever returns to talking about him or various slap fights about him before I forget this.

Kaga stans are annoying mostly because they ignore the idea of QoL improvements in games.

I can believe Mangs being suicidal. I can even believe him not understanding how flirting or relationships work.

Maybe you will enjoy three houses then it's similar in some fronts to awakening.
If you enjoyed the customisation and reclass option you will enjoy this side of three houses.
If it's about support and characters you will find more of the same if not a bit better than awakening.

You might enjoy the game and not regret buying it but don't forget you are 8 years older than when you played awakening maybe the magic is not there anymore

Honestly I kinda find FE to be enjoyable in small bursts these days.

I thought I replied in this thead, but I guess I didn't? My bad...



Yeah, I just wasn't fond of Claude to begin with. It's probably why I didn't join the deers, but I do like some of the students in said house. And so based on your wording, it sounds like I can recruit them despite being in a different house. Neat! Just wish you can recruit all BUT the house leader.

And huh. Sacred Stones, huh? I think I'll try that next, but I do understand where you're coming from with that. For me, I have to play through a game at least 2 or more times to understand the story or any other story/game element. Would you consider that over analyzing?



Okay, cool. I thought I was the only one who thought the deer house was not necessary as being an entity in the game, but I guess it is because sure? Sorry if I misread. I do plan on recruiting students from the other houses, so that's exciting.

No to Revelations? Got it. I didn't really appreciate the fact that it's a thing when Birthright, Conquest, and Revelations should've been one game all together. While it was nice to get to play both sides, I just wish Birthright and Conquest were put together. If memory serves, even the beginning still gives you the choice between Hoshido and Nohr. Why are you asking me anyways when my initial version choice is obvious? Dramatic effect? Even then, when you choose the other route, it tells you to get the other game. I think. It's been a while.

Claude's kind of the balanced middle ground between the other two. His motivations are entirely understandable too. It's just that Alex Jones would not agree with him.

I was surprised that there wasn't some option that let you recruit Claude to your side if playing as Dimitri or sth, given that you're kinda both on the side of kicking Edelgard's ass.

 

[NerdShamer]

@Mage of Conquest you can recruit every student except for the house leader and their retainer.

 

[AzuraAquafina]

Yeah, I just wasn't fond of Claude to begin with. It's probably why I didn't join the deers, but I do like some of the students in said house. And so based on your wording, it sounds like I can recruit them despite being in a different house. Neat! Just wish you can recruit all BUT the house leader.

Hopefully you know this by now, but Hilda is a bit of an exception as a retainer. She can be recruited if you go BL but BE handles her differently and is honestly not worth recruiting her there.

And huh. Sacred Stones, huh? I think I'll try that next, but I do understand where you're coming from with that. For me, I have to play through a game at least 2 or more times to understand the story or any other story/game element. Would you consider that over analyzing?

It's good to play the game a few times at least to get the story. And it also helps to read the script every now and then when discussing the game's story or themes. It definitely reshaped how I view Sacred Stones or Edelgard as a character. My issue is that the people who 'criticizes' Sacred Stones, or any other other media for that matter, come off as really neglectful or apathetic to the game.

I don't think what you're doing is over analyzing. What is over analyzing is trying to construe Kostas's involvement in the story as some 4D chess move that only high IQ people will understand.

Mangs isn't a good person but at least he didn't try a botched Gay Op.

True. Though I do wonder if Chaz is actually going to try to claw himself out of the hole he dug. His last few tweets state that he'll clear things up.

 

[UtadaWasabi2]

I guess I am going to play this after all. I hope 3 houses doesn’t involve time manipulation. Not counting time-skip of course

 

[Kosher Dill]

I hope 3 houses doesn’t involve time manipulation.

Your avatar has the power to rewind time slightly to get an "undo" during battle, but it's not a major plot point. Nobody's aging up waifus in a time pocket like in Fates or anything.

 

[AzuraAquafina]

Your avatar has the power to rewind time slightly to get an "undo" during battle, but it's not a major plot point. Nobody's aging up waifus in a time pocket like in Fates or anything.

While Divine Pulse is something that should have been a gameplay contrivance, much like crestless units not turning into a demonic beast, it does seep into the story to an extend with Jeralt's death. Because of this, it raises questions that would not have other wise been brought up if it had just stayed within a handful of Sothis's dialogue. Like why doesn't Byleth use Divine Pulse around Rodrigue's death especially since TWSITD aren't involved.
But yeah, it's not exactly a major plot point that breaks the story and it's far less ridiculous than child realms and marrying someone's future child.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Hopefully you know this by now, but Hilda is a bit of an exception as a retainer. She can be recruited if you go BL but BE handles her differently and is honestly not worth recruiting her there.

It's good to play the game a few times at least to get the story. And it also helps to read the script every now and then when discussing the game's story or themes. It definitely reshaped how I view Sacred Stones or Edelgard as a character. My issue is that the people who 'criticizes' Sacred Stones, or any other other media for that matter, come off as really neglectful or apathetic to the game.

I don't think what you're doing is over analyzing. What is over analyzing is trying to construe Kostas's involvement in the story as some 4D chess move that only high IQ people will understand.

True. Though I do wonder if Chaz is actually going to try to claw himself out of the hole he dug. His last few tweets state that he'll clear things up.

Hilda is solid if you choose to use her, especially in higher difficulties.

People forget that Fire Emblem is a really old Strategy JRPG series and takes a ton of classic archetypes and tropes.


I think the biggest suspect fact so far is that Chaz is engaged to Goose.

 

[AzuraAquafina]

People forget that Fire Emblem is a really old Strategy JRPG series and takes a ton of classic archetypes and tropes.

That's what I liked about Sacred Stones and a lot of the older games. They're fine for what they are and they don't need to have the same complexity that a more modern audience might be use to. A character like Eirika is relatively simple, but when people complain about her naivety it's like they're too autistic to understand humans or basic writing conventions.

I think the biggest suspect fact so far is that Chaz is engaged to Goose.

I remember that there was a discord screenshot of that. But I heard from other people that it could be fake. Still, there is a cruel irony there.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

A character like Eirika is relatively simple, but when people complain about her naivety it's like they're too autistic to understand humans or basic writing conventions.

What do you think about the other normally criticized naive females like Micaiah or SOV Celica?

 

[NerdShamer]

What do you think about the other normally criticized naive females like Micaiah or SOV Celica?

Celica. All she knows is the teachings of Mila and didn't live in terror at the threats of bandits like Alm did. Granted, she saw what she was asking for...It's just that SoV never went any farther than her having any doubts about her quest aside from Mila getting abducted,Jedah trying to manipulate her, and gazing upon Mila's remains. And even then, she never really had much of an answer other than to do whatever the evil wizard said to save Alm.

 

[AzuraAquafina]

What do you think about the other normally criticized naive females like Micaiah or SOV Celica?

I can't say much about Micaiah since I haven't gotten back into Tellius in awhile. It does bother me a little bit that she comes from the most oppressed group and yet doesn't have a similar resentment or bitterness like Zelgius. Though I guess you could say that's a strength in character or just a part of her naivety.

SoV Celica on the other hand I find to be weakly written even compared to her Gaiden counterpart. Gaiden Celica isn't exactly sacrificing herself to save Duma and Mila from degenerating, in fact, her sacrifice is greatly motivated to save Alm. I don't know if you're familiar with Gaiden's story, but the road block in Rigel on Alm's route traps him instead of just preventing him from continuing into Rigel. The original script has Jedah show Celica that Alm is trapped inside of a volcano filled with necrodragons and later offers her a bargain to save him. The same bargain obviously couldn't be replicated in SoV since having a road block in front of Rudolf is likely in Celica's best interest and it would be hilariously stupid to sacrifice yourself to get rid of a road block that could maybe be circumvented.

And compared to Eirika trusting Lyon, Celica's naivety isn't set up very well or at least not as well. Lyon is someone that Eirika loves, so even if he's possessed she's still lured into believing that he's still alive based on how the demon king emulates him. Even when she's told by L'arachel that there's nothing they can do, her naivety and her desperation to save Lyon deters her from keeping the stone away from the demon king. It's worth noting that one of the primary differences between the demon king and Jedah is that Jedah doesn't puppet anyone significant like Mila or Alm as a means of toying with Celica's emotions. Instead he just tells Celica that sacrificing herself will fix Duma and Mila. And despite doubting Jedah, Celica goes through with it. There's no emotional pull that Gaiden Celica and Eirika had that pushes them.

I'll throw a bone here and say that SoV Celica's decision to sacrifice herself is arguably the result of desperation and religious zealotry. Taking that into consideration does makes Celica less stupid than what her detractors would claim. You could say it's a character flaw to disregard everyone to pursue what you believe is right even if the person you're trusting is a fugly purple guy.

Tl;dr: I don't think SoV Celica is horrendously written, just very mediocre.

 

[Berrakh]

The thing with Claude is he's not even that smart or crafty.

 

[Berrakh]

I can't say much about Micaiah since I haven't gotten back into Tellius in awhile. It does bother me a little bit that she comes from the most oppressed group and yet doesn't have a similar resentment or bitterness like Zelgius. Though I guess you could say that's a strength in character or just a part of her naivety.

SoV Celica on the other hand I find to be weakly written even compared to her Gaiden counterpart. Gaiden Celica isn't exactly sacrificing herself to save Duma and Mila from degenerating, in fact, her sacrifice is greatly motivated to save Alm. I don't know if you're familiar with Gaiden's story, but the road block in Rigel on Alm's route traps him instead of just preventing him from continuing into Rigel. The original script has Jedah show Celica that Alm is trapped inside of a volcano filled with necrodragons and later offers her a bargain to save him. The same bargain obviously couldn't be replicated in SoV since having a road block in front of Rudolf is likely in Celica's best interest and it would be hilariously stupid to sacrifice yourself to get rid of a road block that could maybe be circumvented.

And compared to Eirika trusting Lyon, Celica's naivety isn't set up very well or at least not as well. Lyon is someone that Eirika loves, so even if he's possessed she's still lured into believing that he's still alive based on how the demon king emulates him. Even when she's told by L'arachel that there's nothing they can do, her naivety and her desperation to save Lyon deters her from keeping the stone away from the demon king. It's worth noting that one of the primary differences between the demon king and Jedah is that Jedah doesn't puppet anyone significant like Mila or Alm as a means of toying with Celica's emotions. Instead he just tells Celica that sacrificing herself will fix Duma and Mila. And despite doubting Jedah, Celica goes through with it. There's no emotional pull that Gaiden Celica and Eirika had that pushes them.

I'll throw a bone here and say that SoV Celica's decision to sacrifice herself is arguably the result of desperation and religious zealotry. Taking that into consideration does makes Celica less stupid than what her detractors would claim. You could say it's a character flaw to disregard everyone to pursue what you believe is right even if the person you're trusting is a fugly purple guy.

Tl;dr: I don't think SoV Celica is horrendously written, just very mediocre.

Sorry to double post but it seems like a lot of people dislike Celica. Why is that? Assume I only skimmed your post to avoid too many spoilers (because I did).

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Sorry to double post but it seems like a lot of people dislike Celica. Why is that? Assume I only skimmed your post to avoid too many spoilers (because I did).

mostly because she's a pacifist and takes the "War bad, fuck you" thing to the annoyance of some people playing the game and admonishes Alm, the other lead character, for daring to pick going to war against the Empire instead of waiting for a Deity to do something.

 

[Berrakh]

mostly because she's a pacifist and takes the "War bad, fuck you" thing to the annoyance of some people playing the game and admonishes Alm, the other lead character, for daring to pick going to war against the Empire instead of waiting for a Deity to do something.

That's totally fair. Pacifist characters can work if the challenges of their worldview are dealt with well. Not if they annoyingly lecture other characters for accepting moral hazard.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

That's totally fair. Pacifist characters can work if the challenges of their worldview are dealt with well. Not if they annoyingly lecture other characters for accepting moral hazard.

I think it teeters on fine but she does get preachy, justifiably in character since she was a priestess raised on a monastary tbh.

And then her reaction to seeing Alm for the first time since they were little kids was to have that spazz out about pacifism lmfao.

 

[Berrakh]

I think it teeters on fine but she does get preachy, justifiably in character since she was a priestess raised on a monastary tbh.

And then her reaction to seeing Alm for the first time since they were little kids was to have that spazz out about pacifism lmfao.

Oh that's like Leonie. Just a horribly timed reaction to the lead character.