Fire Emblem series

[Doctor of Autism]

If you just think her story is more interesting. I can't really fault you for that. I don't agree, but still. However; from a real-world political science perspective, her winning just makes things worse for everyone.

Edelgard is a great villain and an interesting character, but she definitely leads to things being terrible in the long term.

 

[Berrakh]

I’d say she leads to things being GOOD long term. But nightmarish in the short term.

 

[Gravemind]

Actually, you’re all gay. Except me.

That's the gayest thing anyone could possibly say.

 

[Berrakh]

That's the gayest thing anyone could possibly say.

Maybe if you said it. But I have a deep voice.

 

[Nobody In Particular]

I’d say she leads to things being GOOD long term. But nightmarish in the short term.

Absolutely fucking not. Her intentions have horrific long-term implications. The MOMENT the power vacuum opens up, which is not very far from the end of the game, things go to shit.

 

[Gravemind]

Maybe if you said it. But I have a deep voice.

That's exactly what a falsetto-having bitch nigga would say.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

I never said you can't idolize Edelgard.

What I am saying is that you're bisexual, which is almost worse than being gay. Being gay for Dimitri would be way straighter than wanting to fuck Edelgard.

it's not my meme i just had it on hand

 

[Berrakh]

Absolutely fucking not. Her intentions have horrific long-term implications. The MOMENT the power vacuum opens up, which is not very far from the end of the game, things go to shit.

Which I don’t remember being canon at all so I can just say “and then Fodlan, which is Europe, will colonize everyone because they’ve separated the wheat from the chaff.”

Edit: also superior science, less reliance on the old ways jealously guarded by the few. Like it or not, this is how Europe surpassed the other continents— by unleashing those of great vision and great “criminality”. Not by always heeding the kings and the nobles and the popes.

 

[Nobody In Particular]

Which I don’t remember being canon at all so I can just say “and then Fodlan, which is Europe, will colonize everyone because they’ve separated the wheat from the chaff.”

Edit: also superior science, less reliance on the old ways jealously guarded by the few. Like it or not, this is how Europe surpassed the other continents— by unleashing those of great vision and great “criminality”. Not by always heeding the kings and the nobles and the popes.

It's very explicit. Edelgard isn't going to live much longer, and she's dismantled the aristocracy that, at the very least, keeps the nation stable. So, I say again, from the perspective of real-life political science, the moment she dies, and opens up the power vacuum, wars for succession break out, a whole lot of people die again. History will likely regard Edelgard's Fodlan as a foolish experiment.

 

[Berrakh]

It's very explicit. Edelgard isn't going to live much longer, and she's dismantled the aristocracy that, at the very least, keeps the nation stable. So, I say again, from the perspective of real-life political science, the moment she dies, and opens up the power vacuum, wars for succession break out, a whole lot of people die again. History will likely regard Edelgard's Fodlan as a foolish experiment.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. We’re subjecting our fantasy narrative to the wrath of realism. Europe sustained a lot of creative destruction before mysteriously leapfrogging other civilizations. Which is all my point ever was.

Also political science is a fake degree. My bait grows ever-stronger!

 

[Nobody In Particular]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. We’re subjecting our fantasy narrative to the wrath of realism. Europe sustained a lot of creative destruction before mysteriously leapfrogging other civilizations. Which is all my point ever was.

Also political science is a fake degree. My bait grows ever-stronger!

"It's not a real story, I will now cite my understanding of real world history despite falsely equating nations that were kept alive by monarchical stability to the one that got rid of it."

Also

"I'm only pretending to be retarded."

I will level with you on one thing. Political science isn't a real degree. That's why I sat in on the classes for free. Fun subject, really comes in handy for stupid internet slap fights.

 

[Berrakh]

"It's not a real story, I will now cite my understanding of real world history despite falsely equating nations that were kept alive by monarchical stability to the one that got rid of it."

Also

"I'm only pretending to be retarded."

I will level with you on one thing. Political science isn't a real degree. That's why I sat in on the classes for free. Fun subject, really comes in handy for stupid internet slap fights.

I’m not pretending to be retarded, retard. Pointing out that social history is slavery and that the world is moved by those of limitless will and crude mythologies is very high IQ. I’m humoring the idiocy of pretending Fodlan isn’t an exercise on writer fiat.

And if you think dynasties and little nations weren’t consumed in real European history then you’re a goofball. I said it, a goofball. Maybe pay for the useless degree next time (actually don’t, keep on scammin’ I say).

 

[Gravemind]

I’m not pretending to be retarded, retard.

Yeah, he's just actually retarded, retard.

You'd have to be to constantly have serious arguments over the game's story.

 

[Berrakh]

Yeah, he's just actually retarded, retard.

You'd have to be to constantly have serious arguments over the game's story.

I am chagrined.
But honestly it’s broken you so you snipe at me while I go from strength to strength. Free and fancy.

 

[Nobody In Particular]

Anon, people trying to bait others don't talk like this. You sound very passionate about something you are hilariously wrong about.

 

[Gravemind]

I am chagrined.
But honestly it’s broken you so you snipe at me while I go from strength to strength. Free and fancy.

I am so mentally broken right now like you wouldn't believe.

I could crush your head with my bear lion hands.

 

[Berrakh]

Anon, people trying to bait others don't talk like this. You sound very passionate about something you are hilariously wrong about.

I just think you guys are hilariously tryhard.
We have people trying to do big boy political prognostications against Edelgard. It’s just the same argument as last time (don’t do anything too ambitious or there might be unintended consequences). I do object to that idea but I don’t take it seriously. Nor do I think it changes whether Edelgard is the villain or not, which is why it’s so puzzling.

 

[Gravemind]

I just think you guys are hilariously tryhard.
We have people trying to do big boy political prognostications against Edelgard. It’s just the same argument as last time (don’t do anything too ambitious or there might be unintended consequences). I do object to that idea but I don’t take it seriously. Nor do I think it changes whether Edelgard is the villain or not, which is why it’s so puzzling.

I think you're projecting because you're actually mad.

 

[Nobody In Particular]

I just think you guys are hilariously tryhard.
We have people trying to do big boy political prognostications against Edelgard. It’s just the same argument as last time (don’t do anything too ambitious or there might be unintended consequences). I do object to that idea but I don’t take it seriously. Nor do I think it changes whether Edelgard is the villain or not, which is why it’s so puzzling.

I said it because it came up. We started speculating about the future prospects of fodlan after crimson flower. Through a realistic, they aren't good. You can hemm and haww about it being fiction, and how realism doesn't factor in, and you aren't wrong to say that. But, it kinda just takes the wind out of ANY discussion when you approach it like that.

"What's in the box in Pulp Fiction"? Doesn't matter, it's fiction. "What do the Rei apparations mean in NGE"? Doesn't matter, it's fiction. Like, why even come into a thread about any media property just to halt all discussion that isn't going your way by saying "doesn't matter, it's fiction anyway".

 

[Berrakh]

I think you're projecting because you're actually mad.

Your post above mine seeks to suggest violent thoughts toward me. I assumed it was a joke in the interest of fair play.

I said it because it came up. We started speculating about the future prospects of fodlan after crimson flower. Through a realistic, they aren't good. You can hemm and haww about it being fiction, and how realism doesn't factor in, and you aren't wrong to say that. But, it kinda just takes the wind out of ANY discussion when you approach it like that.

"What's in the box in Pulp Fiction"? Doesn't matter, it's fiction. "What do the Rei apparations mean in NGE"? Doesn't matter, it's fiction. Like, why even come into a thread about any media property just to halt all discussion that isn't going your way by saying "doesn't matter, it's fiction anyway".

I think it’s open-ended and I don’t think you approached it as a discussion. Hence why I was derided for offering a counter-proposal.

Perhaps I should be more clear on this point: I think Edelgard is the villain, but that many of her critics have a vapid obsession with “following da roolz” in the same way her fans have a homosexual obsession with breaking them. That it’s sort of an intra-bugman conflict where any breach of the day’s order cannot by definition be worth it.

It goes back to my critique of Black Eagles where they don’t commit to the Faustian nature of what that route purports to be about. So I do see arguments about Edelgard’s specific characteristics as bait but not the central core disagreement (which I think is better represented in another character anyway).