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Is the DLC even good? I saw that they included a woman who will summon units at random. And apparently you never know which of the three lords from 3H will attack which sounds interesting.
The DLC Emblems are mostly good, though the Fell Xenologue is a bona-fide headache to complete since you have to babysit characters who can't fully utilize Emblem rings. As for Veronica, her gimmick is interesting and reasonably helpful when used right, but it has to be used strategically since it is part of her engage ability and they will disappear once the super mode is over. Best slapped onto Alear or the other dragons when you get them, and about the only way to make Nil useful during the FX.
 
Time to crash thus thread with no survivors. You’re all on notice.

I think it’s interesting that Dorothea is the most based character but people seem to be under the other impression.

But those people define BASED as Joe Rogan, Rich Men North of Richmond, cultural and economic nationalism, Diamond and Silk, converting to an essentially foreign Christian denomination, and watching mulattos argue about hoes. So no real loss.
 
That isn't as high of an bar as you think it is.
Correct it isn’t but she succeeds in a lot of ways more obviously based characters do not. More holistic, you see.

And causes people who thinks themselves based to grow hysterical, like suggesting she “basically accused Ferdinand of rape” (your brain is colonized by the woke if you think that).
 
Has anyone here gotten around to play Mangs' romhack Andaron Saga?
Yep. A few times by now, actually.

I went into it primarily to make fun of, imo, Mangs and his fans' completely hypocritical and/or misguided perception of classic FE vs. nu-FE. I think the tone is quite inconsistent (the first chapter stands out especially) and the characters are hardly more dignified than anything post-Awakening that are apparently so offensive. There's also quite a lot of references to stupid internet memes (one of those fucking undertale skeletons is basically a character in this), fetuber in-jokes, and just general millennial humor that are far more nauseating to me than tired anime tropes. That being said, though the influences of the game's story are very obvious, I think the execution is better than the majority of Fire Emblems, which are generally extremely bland and anemic. I actually don't think it's much like FE at all plot-wise, but that is a compliment. The talking head segments go on for quite long in Andaron Saga, especially if you're reading everything in the X chapters, but it all feels worthwhile and fulfills a function, whether that's characterization, worldbuilding, or foreshadowing. I have several nitpicks but they're not really interesting to delve into. The story and characters are serviceable.

It's worth mentioning the production value. I've played enough FE rom hacks that it is immediately obvious when a portrait is spliced together from pieces of official sprites or taken from the FEU resource repo. Andaron Saga does have a little bit of that, but there's clearly a lot of care put into making the designs cohesive. The battle sprites all look great (not mermaids), the mini portraits all look great, the factions that you're fighting from chapter to chapter all have distinct color palettes, there are custom made CGs for critical story moments, many small details are accounted for and it all adds up in a significant way. There was also considerable effort put into the 100+ song soundtrack which, from my knowledge, is mostly original compositions with only a few covers of tracks from other games. They're almost all great songs too, you get leitmotifs and full usage of all the GBA soundfont instruments, all that fun stuff. There's only a few songs that I think are notably mind-numbing (fuck everything about chapter 5) but that's still better than most FEs, let alone rom hack soundtracks. It's very professionally done.



I like how it plays a lot. The way supports give more tangible bonuses in the form of things like skills, items, access to new weapons, prfs, raw stats, and gold (combined with certain supports being time gated) is phenomenal if you enjoy pairing and light build autism. There's also several non-support macro decisions that you're making throughout a playthrough (most importantly, in the first half) that trickle down through the rest of the playthrough in very impactful and fun ways. Some obvious ones are the Dawncaller decision (this even affects whether or not you get a light brand in chapter 5), the centaur decision, the marriage gift, who you have talk to the weird sage (item he gifts you depends on the unit's stats), and several others. A lot of the early chapters have superbosses who, if killed, will drop their superweapons for you to use. In one case killing a superboss even nets you a completely different character to recruit down the line. Some characters will get stat boosts and other bonuses for being deployed or fulfilling side objectives in some maps. Pretty much every map has one or two guys on it with something like a speedwing that's really worth bringing a thief for, specifically. It is a feast for the autist who loves replaying these games with different teams, and units that are redundant or unfun are the exception.

Andaron Saga does bullshit you though. There are a lot of fog maps and several of them are Thracia fog. There is a lot of enemy phasing, it gets very long, and there is no option to hold L or whatever to toggle animations. Their way of shifting more focus to player phase is often just to dump a whole squad of reinforcements right on top of you, and in some chapters the location and squad is even slightly random. Effective weapons are extremely common among enemies, and you cannot see stats and inventory simply by mousing over a unit. There are enemy dancers and it is never clear exactly how smart they are. Certain bosses in the lategame are knowledge checks that are even more absurd than Conquest is with shurikenbreaker. Maps where you have a lot impact on the pacing may be the exception, but that doesn't bother me that much because I think warpskipping to the opposite end of the spectrum is insanely fucking gay, plus I think giving you an early dancer and a shitload of Rescue uses (as well as possibly 2 galeforce users) is a good compromise if you really, really want to kill boss/sieze as fast as possible when given the opportunity.

I think it's worthwhile no matter how much of a faggot one thinks Mangs is, which I often do. It's still easily some of the most fun I've had with one of these games, though I would recommend some pretty liberal save state usage if you're not super into ironmanning.

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance is the best game in the franchise by a mile
Honestly, I don't get the appeal at all. The lack of difficulty and bizarre unit balance is one thing but it is genuinely unplayable for me without emulator speedup, even with animations disabled. If there was an option to auto-advance the text I don't even believe you would need to have the controller in your hands for more than 25% of that game. Plus shit like simply rearranging your unit's formation in battle preps being clunkier than in the goddamn GBA games. Ike is boring and he holds his sword like a Kingdom Hearts character.
 
Honestly, I don't get the appeal at all.
Yeah, people generally enjoy Path of Radiance for the plot and Ike's worldview, then anything else.


Correct it isn’t but she succeeds in a lot of ways more obviously based characters do not. More holistic, you see.
She comes somewhat close to being an self-insert, to me. Since you have the basket cases, the Jeralt simp, the quiet girls, the edgelord, the jocks, and the nerds. But for some reason, the thot is one of the only characters who's capable of criticising everything about the cast and usually being right about it.

But it's more of an example of how cliche the writing is then anything else
 
But for some reason, the thot is one of the only characters who's capable of criticising everything about the cast and usually being right about it.
Who said anything about Hilda? Har har har
But no seriously it is weird to me how the kids these days see an attractive celeb-type character and immediately equate her to a thot selling pics on OF or running a twitch stream. Least of all when Hilda is so much closer to that “type”.

Talk about a psyop!
 
But no seriously it is weird to me how the kids these days see an attractive celeb-type character and immediately equate her to a thot selling pics on OF or running a twitch stream.
Well, there was always an name for them, especially if they have an obnoxious personality to go with it
 
Who said anything about Hilda? Har har har
But no seriously it is weird to me how the kids these days see an attractive celeb-type character and immediately equate her to a thot selling pics on OF or running a twitch stream. Least of all when Hilda is so much closer to that “type”.

Talk about a psyop!
Dorothea does heavily imply that she slept with (or at least seduced) wealthy men to buy her way into Garreg Mach though, and makes a big point about how her main goal of attending the Officer's Academy was to find a meal ticket. It's hard not to make the obvious comparison when she does things one would expect of a OF whore.
 
Lindhardt is bae. Lysithea is bae. Claude is bae. Dimitri is bae. Dorothea is bae. Ingrid is otome game protagonist. Rhea is bae. Hilda is bae. Petra is the bae.

And Ashe is still the worst unit.
 
@mrs thickness Can't directly quote your post but I really agree on the gameplay quality and general polish on the hack. I know how outspoken Mangs was (and I think still is?) about FE post Awakening so I was really curious how a game under his direction would look like and I think he has actually proven himself here. For all his faults he does have a good understanding of what makes a Fire Emblem map interesting and the hack was jam packed with cool ideas.
Storywise I think it borrowed too hard from Genealogy but it got a lot of mileage from the whole aspect of legendary weapons or the conflict between the noble houses so I can't be mad at that. One character that I also think was too inconsistent for the role of a villain was Mortimer where it really felt like the team didn't know how reasonable they wanted that character to be written.
Gotta admit that I save scummed badly in the monster tomb chapter. The idea is amazing but in execution the shaman with the legendary dark tome is too strong to just leave running around in the dark and the shift into the escape sequence is way too sudden.
 
Dorothea does heavily imply that she slept with (or at least seduced) wealthy men to buy her way into Garreg Mach though, and makes a big point about how her main goal of attending the Officer's Academy was to find a meal ticket. It's hard not to make the obvious comparison when she does things one would expect of a OF whore.
Hmmmm. No. She doesn’t. It’s implied about her by a nameless guard and the only material issue with it is that it outs her as an orphan. But every other time the subject comes up it’s made clear she did nothing she’d have to conceal.

And there is no mention of monetary exchange. That matters because it’s something people have clearly invented to make their headcanon stick.

Nor do Onlyfans whores end up on the site to make ends meet as homeless orphans. Pretending they do, when the truth is they just have no inherent dignity; is doing them a favor. It’s pro-whore. Hilda is their girl— relatively privileged, lazy, has very short term interests.

Moreover, wanting to marry well is not what OF whores do, at all, but it is in the domain for someone of Noble blood thrown out of their house unjustly.

Which is a eugenic argument and is why she is Based, while insisting she shouldn’t be allowed to do that for confected reasons is dysgenic (and cringe) elitism. But that’s the only way one can take issue with her nuptial endeavor is by pretending it’s automatically verboten. Like a little lickspittle.

Europe was not made great by the scoldings of the aristocracy, but by those who forced those elites to recognize them. That’s who the colonizers were, in fact.
 
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Girl is 18 and has big boobs, people will do as people will.
You know, the funniest thing about this is that there were some people who were willing to simp over an teenaged opera singer
Dorothea: “they flocked around me but I knew they’d throw me aside so I never let them in and left the stage.”

Some People: Onlyfans whore behavior, clearly.

Billy would not approve.
 
I was mostly talking about her days at the opera
It’s quite explicit that it was sometimes a venue for Nobles to buy affection from the Divas. The exact nature of it is never fully specified though. In Dorothea’s case it never seemed to progress beyond trying to buy her as a wife, because she was already brought in by Manuela (who had to be casting couched to become a diva).

The point is that Dorothea is insanely beautiful is all. Saying she’s just a busty 18 year old is really missing the point. It’s why she can get away with her coldness toward Ferdinand while quite a dew girls have big boobs too. Just like suggesting OF thots are looking for rich husbands with their OF careers “just like her.”

These rhetorical sleights of hand are necessary because many would prefer Dorothea to be easily dismissed as a floozy. Like you they’d prefer it if she was more gormless and easy.
 
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