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Brandy [◉''] said:
I am glad to read that I am not the only one who isn't too fond of opening all glamours. AF at least should have been exempt.
Really enjoying Pilgrims Traverse, enough that I am attempting to solo it. Looking up a guide however, I found this:
(sorry, no idea how to archive)
What is wrong with Lalafell players? This is clearly a guy with a lisp using a voice changer or something like that to sound like a little girl.
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I fucking knew this was going to be Maygi before I clicked on the link. The question isn't whether there's loli/child porn crap on his computer, but rather how much.
 
Dante Alighieri said:
Wait whats a "trancer"?
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Okay so in the run-up to Endwalker there was a lot of speculation about the twists the story would have. A crazy ESL guy speculated and drew a comic about how Venat/Hydaelyn was actually the bad guy all along and did all this convoluted shit with the sundering and final days to eliminate the Amaurotine civilization and convocation so she could ascend to true godhood and rule the world.

The confrontation with Hydaelyn would ultimately culminate in the WoL taking Zodiark into himself and entering a 3edgy5me state called "Zodiark Trance"

Here's the panel from the comic in question (I only have a low-resolution version sadly):
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Anyway, this would normally just be a bit of idle fun. Except the guy who made this comic was an unrepentant schizo who, upon seeing the actual Endwalker story, proceeded to crash out and shit up every place known to man with his complaints about how bad the story was. He made the rounds on 4chan a few times to the point where people started being able to pick out his posting style, and thus they dubbed him the "zodiark trancer" or "trancer." Eventually this became a shorthand for anyone who complained about Endwalker's story because it didn't go in the specific chuuni direction they wanted (as opposed to normal complaints about EW's story).

To this day, the "trancer" is the only poster to reach the same level of infamy as Barry in 4chan's FFXIV threads.
 
SnowBall said:
I genuinely don’t understand all the people that are surprise Pikachu facing over the Ascians coming back. Especially from the ones claiming it’s a panic button being pressed because of DT’s reception. We were told to remember their names to prepare for DT, there are multiple still unaccounted for, and DT itself is as subtle as a sledgehammer with implying that Ascians were involved with the 9th. They’ve also been a pretty major part of this game’s story since 2.0 (and even as far back as 1.0) so I find a hard time believing they would just drop that plot thread and dumpster them. I get that there are people who are tired of them (and that’s valid) but thinking they’d never come back is very naive.
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While I agree, generally speaking I think most people would have expected a longer break from the absolute orgy of Ascian content the game already was, but doubly so after Shadowbringers and Endwalker.

We only were "free" of the ascians in 7.0, 7.1, and 7.2. I kind of expected 7.3 though 8.3 to be something else entirely similar to Dawntrail and then maybe start going back in on the Ascians. It feels very much too soon for a "break".
 
I'm not surprised we're getting Ascians back. Considering Emet-Selch alone is responsible for probably at least 50% of genocides in world history (conservatively) it would be weirder for the others to not pop up here and there.
It would be more interesting to make them background elements than having them be the main villain again, though. Sort of like Mitron/Loghrif in Eden. Having more lackeys would suck, seeing them go rogue the way Fandaniel did would be boring. Pretty much the only way to make them interesting going forward is to show how the remaining ones integrate into the sundered world.
 
The setting needs a reset or at least a different direction. We can't just do more Ascians because their appeal back in the OG days was that they were spooky mystery niggas that we didn't know much about. Nowadays we know almost everything about them and the intrigue is gone.

I was hoping we'd get more stuff focused around dynamis. Maybe some kind of new faction of a similar ancientness to Amaurot but focused around dynamis instead of aether. We don't know much about the peoples of the pre-sundering world beyond Amaurot other than that Amaurot was the most powerful civilization (which means there were likely countries/civilizations that were not down with Amaurotine Aether Autism). Maybe some spooky feelings niggas were hanging around in a cave or something, and they avoided the sundering with feelings nigga dynamis powers. Now that spooky bird nigga is gone, they're popping their head out to do some spooky feelings nigga shit.

I dunno, just no more fucking Ascians.
 
Fcret said:
The setting needs a reset or at least a different direction. We can't just do more Ascians because their appeal back in the OG days was that they were spooky mystery niggas that we didn't know much about. Nowadays we know almost everything about them and the intrigue is gone.

I was hoping we'd get more stuff focused around dynamis. Maybe some kind of new faction of a similar ancientness to Amaurot but focused around dynamis instead of aether. We don't know much about the peoples of the pre-sundering world beyond Amaurot other than that Amaurot was the most powerful civilization (which means there were likely countries/civilizations that were not down with Amaurotine Aether Autism). Maybe some spooky feelings niggas were hanging around in a cave or something, and they avoided the sundering with feelings nigga dynamis powers. Now that spooky bird nigga is gone, they're popping their head out to do some spooky feelings nigga shit.

I dunno, just no more fucking Ascians.
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Dynamis will, and was, instantly forgotten about, just like the blessing of light is forgotten about when it's convenient. Primals haven't been a threat since basically forever and with the silly "muh dragon scales make you immune" it's basically gone into borrowed power for the sake of the story and never will be relevant again. They may not utilize borrowed power mechanically, but for the story? constantly. It's shit. The more you actually take more than a second to think about the writing, the more shit it is. It never had to be this way, but they constantly write themselves into a corner and throttle their potential direction using constant escalating borrowed power mcguffins. The more you look at it, the more major power mcguffins are just forgotten about the moment their patch cycle ends like the CT, G-Warrior, Dynamis, Astral and Umbral balance, Artifical Blessings of Light, Zenos being able to hijack any primal but keeping him as only Shinryu, Garleans as a whole basically got swept under the rug instantly the moment it felt inconvenient to push their plot and hid their entire civil war aspect away, In fact, post heavensward we (and Gaius) started just popping Ascians off without all the previous requirements such as having to have crystals to imprison their souls because of their fundamental immortality and just retreated to their own dimension when killed, you know that thing what made them a threat.

They will keep repeating the same story beats, just with a fresh mcguffin requirement to defeat a bad each and every time.
 
I have a better idea, how about the hackfraud tranny writers actually come up with a new compelling cast of villains instead of recycling old and dead ones whose story was already over? Are the writers at Uncreative Studio 3 so creatively bankrupt that they cannot think up any new villain, is all they can imagine just "le evil plotting shadowmen"? Is this the peak of their creativity. There are like so many different things they could do, so many kinds of compelling villains / villain organizations they could write. Instead they just take the le ebul shadowmen and do it all over again. Fire these hackfrauds already.
 
SuffahWhorse said:
I have a better idea, how about the hackfraud tranny writers actually come up with a new compelling cast of villains instead of recycling old and dead ones whose story was already over? Are the writers at Uncreative Studio 3 so creatively bankrupt that they cannot think up any new villain, is all they can imagine just "le evil plotting shadowmen"? Is this the peak of their creativity. There are like so many different things they could do, so many kinds of compelling villains / villain organizations they could write. Instead they just take the le ebul shadowmen and do it all over again. Fire these hackfrauds already.
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only 2 problems:
The foundation of this game is that le evil plotting shadowmen holds the power to actually do things in the this fucking game. everyone else is either a fractured being of their ancient self that holds almost no power or is of "the new growth" which never held that power to begin with. A good example is Y'shtola spent an expac and half and is still looking to cross boundries so she can go into the first, something that Emet-Selch and Elidibus could literally snap their fingers to do. Even lesser Asicans like Fandaniel could still body hop and teleport, which allowed him to fund the Gaerlean civil war and it's eventual destruction.
Secondly, we continue to get stronger and stronger in character and in lore. Eventually, ludonarrative dissonance will start happening: We're god killers but can't take down a criminal organization? Defeat the literal avatar of despair but still get ambushed and shived in an alleyway by an assassin? Be the best [insert your main job here] and a random person comes up and beats you at level 110? As much as it feels pretty much like hack writing, Ascians have always been our "equals" in how much shit they can throw at us and keep us on our toes.
 
Baron Reginald said:
Dynamis will, and was, instantly forgotten about, just like the blessing of light is forgotten about when it's convenient. Primals haven't been a threat since basically forever and with the silly "muh dragon scales make you immune" it's basically gone into borrowed power for the sake of the story and never will be relevant again. They may not utilize borrowed power mechanically, but for the story? constantly. It's shit. The more you actually take more than a second to think about the writing, the more shit it is. It never had to be this way, but they constantly write themselves into a corner and throttle their potential direction using constant escalating borrowed power mcguffins. The more you look at it, the more major power mcguffins are just forgotten about the moment their patch cycle ends like the CT, G-Warrior, Dynamis, Astral and Umbral balance, Artifical Blessings of Light, Zenos being able to hijack any primal but keeping him as only Shinryu, Garleans as a whole basically got swept under the rug instantly the moment it felt inconvenient to push their plot and hid their entire civil war aspect away, In fact, post heavensward we (and Gaius) started just popping Ascians off without all the previous requirements such as having to have crystals to imprison their souls because of their fundamental immortality and just retreated to their own dimension when killed, you know that thing what made them a threat.
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To be fair the primal threat was really only a major plot point in ARR and gets brushed aside with some exceptions from HW onward. The problem with the blessing of light is that both Koji and Kate are full stupid with mixing it up with the echo in the English script and mistranslating the meaning of both so we get an inconsistent mess in the English localization. Dynamis is still a new thing and DT heavily implied that Wuk used it to defeat Bakool Ja Ja so I wouldn’t write it off yet. I always thought the artificial Echo and primal hijacking was stupid as hell and a shark jumping moment for the whole concept. Felt like the writers were running out of ideas to make the echo cool and wanted a cheap gimmick. I remember getting to that part of Stormblood and rolling my eyes at how dumb it was. To me it was the worst part of SB’s msq. I’m perfectly fine dumpstering that plot point and leaving it dead and buried.

(Also Zenos is dead and I’d rather not bring him back for said plot point.)

Speaking of the blessing of light we get it temporarily removed in HW yet it does nothing to really move the plot. We have invincible plot armor and I don't recall any massive narrative consequences that happen for not having it. We still mow down Ascians and primals. You could probably remove that part of the story and it wouldn’t make much of a difference. This is also why depowering the WoL after EW wouldn’t work, plot armor makes it impossible to take seriously.

We also didn’t beat the Endsinger on our own, we were in a realm full of Dynamis, Zenos and the Scions help us out to boost out power. Most major threats we face have some sort of outside force helping us in general. We get Hrasevelgr’’s eye to power us up to fight Nidhogg, the blessing of light/echo/whatever the original Japanese script used for it is used by Hydaelyn in Prae to help us take down the Ultima Weapon and give us the power to automatically use level 3 limit break in both pre and post prae rework (and later Lahabrea in the reworked fight where he straight up kills us before she brings us back to life. The fight also retconned Dynamis into the plot.) The other Scions also help us kill Emet in ShB and Emet himself saves our asses during the Seat of Sacrifice. Wuk “speen lissun to me’s” her way into the final DT fight So in reality we’re really not that powerful on our own. I genuinely cannot see a way to depower the WoL in a way that will make it believable in the plot. I guess they can have our Azem gummy runs out of juice temporarily but it would just be a repeat of HW.
 
SnowBall said:
We also didn’t beat the Endsinger on our own, we were in a realm full of Dynamis, Zenos and the Scions help us out to boost out power. Most major threats we face have some sort of outside force helping us in general. We get Hrasevelgr’’s eye to power us up to fight Nidhogg, the blessing of light/echo/whatever the original Japanese script used for it is used by Hydaelyn in Prae to help us take down the Ultima Weapon and give us the power to automatically use level 3 limit break in both pre and post prae rework (and later Lahabrea in the reworked fight where he straight up kills us before she brings us back to life. The fight also retconned Dynamis into the plot.) The other Scions also help us kill Emet in ShB and Emet himself saves our asses during the Seat of Sacrifice. Wuk “speen lissun to me’s” her way into the final DT fight So in reality we’re really not that powerful on our own. I genuinely cannot see a way to depower the WoL in a way that will make it believable in the plot. I guess they can have our Azem gummy runs out of juice temporarily but it would just be a repeat of HW.
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Not to mention that the power scaling is all over the place - that all of these things happen but you still get forced losses to Zenos and Ranjit repeatedly in the respective expansions.

The game is very inconsistent about what your power level is and how it works - that literally the second they introduce the Scales of Warding it's unclear why there isn't a new band of Warriors of Light because several people are already at your power level or close that were previously waived away as "do not have the blessing of light/traveler's ward".
 
Tanner Glass said:
The game is very inconsistent about what your power level is and how it works - that literally the second they introduce the Scales of Warding it's unclear why there isn't a new band of Warriors of Light because several people are already at your power level or close that were previously waived away as "do not have the blessing of light/traveler's ward".
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I thought the warding scale(s) was just a plot convenient excuse to finally have the scions fight with you against a primal, since usually they were excused for not having the echo. (Too bad we immediately ran out of primals afterwards, unless they made more in DT.)
 
Kane Lives said:
I thought the warding scale(s) was just a plot convenient excuse to finally have the scions fight with you against a primal, since usually they were excused for not having the echo. (Too bad we immediately ran out of primals afterwards, unless they made more in DT.)
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Yeah, it was. That's what I mean.

There was a huge stable of powerful people in the lore (Rhauban, Merylb, every combat Scion and Class Trainer, etc) that could not stand against the threats in the world because they did not have the Echo to protect them from the mind-control effect. There's even a part in SB where this is hammered home as one of the primals tries to mind control a handful of people. The entire framing of your character as the Warrior of Light is he has the ability and power to fight primals. Once they bring the scales in - that goes away near instantly.

Prior to the scales - it was generally Arenvald who had the same mix (but not as much power) and why they were willing to try out Fordola as a conscript because her combination of being untemperable, combat ready, and willing to fight was extremely rare. Now it's remarkably common.
 
Kane Lives said:
I thought the warding scale(s) was just a plot convenient excuse to finally have the scions fight with you against a primal, since usually they were excused for not having the echo. (Too bad we immediately ran out of primals afterwards, unless they made more in DT.)
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Necron is a primal if you count that.

I really don’t see anything wrong with giving others a chance to fight primals. Also primals and primal threats don’t need to come back. The community complains enough about story beats getting rehashed. Not to mention Calyx throwing a primal at us despite the wol being a famous primal slayer was dumb enough. Even if the warding scales didn’t exist constantly throwing primals at us wouldn’t really up the stakes since it’s just another week that ends in Y for us. Not to mention the well for primal plot beats was already running dry when Stormblood came out. They started feeling like fodder thrown in to fulfill the “we need to have three eight man trials in the msq” quota.
 
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