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The Zekenator said:
Fuck me, someone is trying to outsperg me. I'll watch this eventually, a little too long right now. My generally take on Venat right now in short summary is: The fact she effectively just goes "Oh yeah, I set up a plan for you to come here via time travel. That sounds like a plan I'd cook up for sure." is probably the most idiotic thing this game has ever put pen to paper and then voiced. Lyse is a 300 IQ genius compared to the absolute nonsense of that line. I'm overall okay with her plan from a thematic perspective of what EW is trying to embody and symbolize with this action, I do not ultimately see her as a predominately heroic figure though like the WoL for example. She fucked shit up and effectively burned a Utopia to create a world of strife, but based on my current understanding of the story I kind of get the idea and why it happened. I just really don't like how we got to this point though because of this extremely nonsense time travel plot that she somehow enabled and the game just acts like that's normal so we can talk about Hermes and his bird bitch.
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The entire time travel sub-plot thoroughly fucking sucks because it could have worked on a "sent as a spirit/possessing someone who was there" way, much like what Zenos/Fandaniel does to you in garlemald + time travel; or even a mass scale recreation like what Emet-Selch does with Amaurot. (I'm aware a big reason you time travel is because Hermes made everyone but you and Venat apparently forget, but that's rendered moot when Emet Selch shows up in present day before the climax in Ultima Thule and casually just knows everything because fuckitidontknowlifestreamyes!, it demonstrates that whole deal could have been fixed with a single text from Venat reading "lol just revive that Emet-Selch fuck with the crystal and he'll tell you what's going on")

What we need out of it is the information of what happened in the world of the ancients to bring about the final days, all the faggotry about directly interacting with them not only is absolutely non-sensical and wrecks the timeline by having someone there who more or less should have been able to put two and two together and stop the pig-headed retardation that cause Hermes to lose it, but also feels like it cheapens the WoL's struggles as an adventurer into something that was always meant to be, you weren't just one of many idiots Hydaelyn granted her blessing to hoping you'd get the world to suck slightly less (while also being the main character so it just happened you were very good at your job), you were *the* chosen Juan destined to bring balance.

The worst part is that it goes and does this for the sake of some fucking fan-service. I legitimately feel Elpis is the worst part of EW by far, only silver lining being the bitching robes you get out of it.

And it's still not one percent as FUCKING SHIT as everything 6.2 onwards.

6.1 was ok but fuck that bait and switch, I wanted to see some new places in the world and do some jolly exploration, not have to wait for 7.0 because for some Godforsaken reason SE felt giving everyone a truckfull of KH-esque hypercringe, shit should have been a sidequest.

Edit : slightly less arse formatting.
 
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I'm ignoring all the signs for the present and amusing myself with the belief that we're running away to the new world just to find a way to escape those stupid cutesy rabbits. Either that or headcanon changing Dawntrail's title to CONSEQUENCES, where Y'shtola and Urianger get banished to a primitive continent for ripping a giant portal open and endangering the world just because Shtola's giney tingles over her furry bara husband made her reckless. Let me have it for now; I know 6.5 is going to end with "ahyuk, those waaaacky Scions and their crazy plans! Glad it all worked out in the end, let's take Autismo out for sushiiiiii!"
 
They should have actually killed off the scions at the end of endwalker. That way they could start 7.0 with a fresh slate. Maybe design a separate 1-90 story for newcomers so they don't have to slog through hundreds of hours of story content just to play with their friends.
 
The problem with Venat can be summed up as don't write a bootstrap paradox unless you're absolutely an A+ writer. You need to address why Venat and Co. made Hydaelyn able to sunder the world and its inhabitants and the answer is "you told her that's what to do and you know because she did it to you so you know to tell her that..." is a giant letdown that sidesteps an actual interesting answer. But most of EW is pretty unwilling to grapple with the most interesting parts of ShB.
 
Road Work Ahead said:
They should have actually killed off the scions at the end of endwalker. That way they could start 7.0 with a fresh slate. Maybe design a separate 1-90 story for newcomers so they don't have to slog through hundreds of hours of story content just to play with their friends.
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I recall Yoshi talking about actually legitimately considering making a way to just skip past all the current MSQ and you'd just be lore dumped the current story and be ported directly to Dawntrail pretty much. At least that's how he made it sound, we'll see what actually happens.

I think killing all of them off would be harsh and almost be comical rushed in one go to be honest, but this game fakes so many deaths that it feels like something should have happened at some point.
 
Road Work Ahead said:
They should have actually killed off the scions at the end of endwalker.
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I strongly theorize that they planned to kill off the twins, then Yoshi said NO NO PAPA SQUEENIX NEEDS THE MONEY PRINTER. Judging from the fact that the boss of the company, who I would remind everyone has not funded a single successful title other than FF14-16 despite a lot of active involvement to 'diversify,' has regarded 16 as an effective failure - expect the cow to be milked more at the sacrifice of quality.

Remember when Vrtra warns you about the fact that you need to be prepared to make sacrifices, and that the road ahead will be a difficult one? Haven't you found it weird that the player never sacrifices anything at all despite that being in there? What am I supposed to infer from this? I don't have to sacrifice or endure hardship if I am DA CHOSEN ONE?

The whole sequence of Ultima Thule is so... utterly bizarre, and it becomes immediately apparent the moment you set down there that people aren't really dead. It -feels- like it's setting up this ultimate bait-and-switch that apologizes for all the other pratfall deaths -- make you think 'OK, yeah, I get it, everyone 'sacrifices' themselves and then we pretend it's all fine' but then no! actually, the twins are dead! The twins, the only other members who have been on this journey with us from the -very start- are the ones who have had to sacrifice themselves in order for us to pull through in the end...

Or maybe, there, at the end of the universe, the WoL and Zenos acknowledge and accept that their roles in the world are done, and it's time for the both of them to accept oblivion. The champion of light and his foil have worked together to forestall the end of all things, so that light and dark can continue on - with work out of the way, why not one last little scrap for fun? and Hyds (or maybe Midgarsommr???) pulls a final trick out of her sleeve, animates a simulacrum of you, says that the real-WoL died off at the end of reality... but you'll have all those memories and experiences, but a chance to start anew, to return to just being an adventurer. As a simulacrum, you no longer have the super-saiyin powers that were variously deposited. You get reintroduced to the Scions, who all believed you dead, and it's a touching moment. G'raha makes a quip about how you'll get used to it. You get another free Fantasia (and the tooltip tells you how to buy more)

oh, wait, no, it's just more pratfall deaths than the entire rest of the game combined
 
Privilege Power Hour said:
The problem with Venat can be summed up as don't write a bootstrap paradox unless you're absolutely an A+ writer. You need to address why Venat and Co. made Hydaelyn able to sunder the world and its inhabitants and the answer is "you told her that's what to do and you know because she did it to you so you know to tell her that..." is a giant letdown that sidesteps an actual interesting answer. But most of EW is pretty unwilling to grapple with the most interesting parts of ShB.
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This is probably the most annoying aspect of EW plot-wise. I think you can really get away with like one weird time paradox in your storyline before you start to come up against suspension of disbelief and they somehow decided to not only do it again but do it again immediately after the first one.

The Zekenator said:
I recall Yoshi talking about actually legitimately considering making a way to just skip past all the current MSQ and you'd just be lore dumped the current story and be ported directly to Dawntrail pretty much. At least that's how he made it sound, we'll see what actually happens.

I think killing all of them off would be harsh and almost be comical rushed in one go to be honest, but this game fakes so many deaths that it feels like something should have happened at some point.
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He wants you to be able to start from 6.1. Your character will still have done all the stuff they did prior to 6.1 but it'll be up to the player to catch-up using the little story compendium feature they added.

Yoshi-P talking about this already also makes me think some of level squish is going to happen in 8.0 along with some differences in direction. We're already starting to creep into Shadowbringers levels of numerical absurdity and it's only been one expansion cycle since the stat squish, so I imagine they're eyeing some kind of long-term solution to character progression.
 
ChromaQuack said:
The entire time travel sub-plot thoroughly fucking sucks because it could have worked on a "sent as a spirit/possessing someone who was there" way, much like what Zenos/Fandaniel does to you in garlemald + time travel; or even a mass scale recreation like what Emet-Selch does with Amaurot. (I'm aware a big reason you time travel is because Hermes made everyone but you and Venat apparently forget, but that's rendered moot when Emet Selch shows up in present day before the climax in Ultima Thule and casually just knows everything because fuckitidontknowlifestreamyes!, it demonstrates that whole deal could have been fixed with a single text from Venat reading "lol just revive that Emet-Selch fuck with the crystal and he'll tell you what's going on")
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I remember reading a fan theory that the Echo creates simulations of past events that can't be altered and any instance of time travel we've seen was reality being rewritten. I would have been interested if they leaned in that direction where you can learn things from a simulated Elpis but the present day versions of Ancients don't remember you because in their view it didn't happen that way.
 
John Titor said:
I remember reading a fan theory that the Echo creates simulations of past events that can't be altered and any instance of time travel we've seen was reality being rewritten.
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Well I don't believe that's not true if I understand your point correctly. Because in Shadowbringer's extra stories that SE put on their website that are I'm pretty sure entirely canon we learn that the past G'raha left behind did live on and Midgardsormr talks to I believe Biggs Junior about that he will not let this world fall which implies life continues on despite the tragedy and the loss of The Crystal Tower. Which indicates that their timeline lives on similar to how in Dragon Ball Z Future Trunks has his own timeline that maintains his existence and all life in that timeline. Even if the future had been entirely rewritten by ensuring Goku didn't die the way he did in Future Trunk's timeline. So this story shows an alternative timeline where the 8th Umbral Calamity happens and we just happen to live in one where it doesn't. Rewriting reality would imply that G'raha's timeline is just gone and doesn't exist.

So given how Shadowbringers plays out and this side story, this theory is not true if I'm understanding what it is implying.
 
FF14 furry fucks up so bad he gets called out by Cyanide & Happiness creator
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It's just a great idea to show up there with the coof when Soken is presently recovering from canceraids.

As if people didn't have enough reason to hate you for being a furry and then a coofer, you could indirectly take out someone who's a huge part of the game.

Bet he would make a comic about how he's the victim if it happened tough.
 
On one hand this guy deserves all the shit being flung at him and watching Twitter and especially r/shitpostxiv having a field day memeing on him is hilarious. You have to be a genuine tard to think admitting and doing something like this is a good idea especially in a highly explosive community like XIV’s. I wonder if he has a humiliation fetish and is getting off to everyone dunking on him. If this was his goal the entire time and he’s playing everyone like a fiddle.

But on the other hand, I wonder how many of the people dunking on him did the exact same thing he did but aren’t confessing it? How many of them took any COVID prevention measures themselves before and during the event? I only ask because the FFXIV community is known for their virtue signaling but not practicing what they preach. I’ve read some first hand accounts of people who went and many said most people didn’t bother masking up. Also the Twitter mob found Val’s twitter account (Val is the guy in the comic who tried to sneak into the fanfest but got turned away.) and are accusing him of being an anti vaxxer because apparently he’s not a fan of the COVID vaccine. From what I heard people are witch hunting and harassing him in game as well. I unsubbed ages ago so if anyone can confirm this feel free to.
 
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Road Work Ahead said:
They should have actually killed off the scions at the end of endwalker. That way they could start 7.0 with a fresh slate. Maybe design a separate 1-90 story for newcomers so they don't have to slog through hundreds of hours of story content just to play with their friends.
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To be honest I think they could streamline the MSQ into like maybe 40 hours. There's a lot of collecting bear asses and other pointless shit in it.
 
std::string said:
To be honest I think they could streamline the MSQ into like maybe 40 hours. There's a lot of collecting bear asses and other pointless shit in it.
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Noooo but we must earn the trust of every single small town we come across by doing at least 5 fetch quests to show we care about their struggle.
 
When does Endwalker get good? Heavensward and Shadowbringers were very quick to hook me but when I get to the expansion that’s supposed to be the climax of the scion story arc, I don’t wanna do chores for the rabbit and elephant people.
 
Resunoit said:
When does Endwalker get good? Heavensward and Shadowbringers were very quick to hook me but when I get to the expansion that’s supposed to be the climax of the scion story arc, I don’t wanna do chores for the rabbit and elephant people.
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If you're at the rabbit people I'm sorry to say but you already played the good part, garlemald and Zenos vergil-tier one liner in the final fight are the only parts worth a shit.
 
I wish the AI wasn't literal paste-eating retarded. Had to force-wipe Amaurot god knows how many times because no one besides Thancred has the script that says, stay out of bad (I didn't trust Duty Finder to pop soon enough)
 
ChromaQuack said:
If you're at the rabbit people I'm sorry to say but you already played the good part, garlemald and Zenos vergil-tier one liner in the final fight are the only parts worth a shit.
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And people say the filler stops after ARR. Jesus Christ what a joke.
 
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