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There's more there than that, but thanks for your feedback.

If she is insane, she's discredited.
If she does hate half the human population, she's discredited.

And you hand wave them away as if they're nothing.
 
There's more there than that, but thanks for your feedback.

If she is insane, she's discredited.
If she does hate half the human population, she's discredited.

And you hand wave them away as if they're nothing.
But she isn't insane just because cathy young called her insane.

Where's the actual case about her mental health and should we really try to diagnose public figures from a distance?

And even then it's inconsequential, because people don't follow dworkin like she's leading a political movement today. Instead people are inspired by her, because her words and ideas resonate with them. How credible she is, is completely inconsequential to that.
 
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But she isn't insane because cathy young called her insane.
Obviously, but I agree with Young and you don't.
Where's the actual case about her mental health and should we really try to diagnose public figures from a distance?
When people write and speak publicly we assess them and their ideas based on their writings. The Reason article has Dworkin quotes that are completely unworkable in a society, besides their offensiveness.

Speculating on someone's sanity is not a diagnosis, but you're quick to conflate it to make the speculation seem unreasonable. What a pathetic attempt at a rhetorical trick.
 
lmao an article that just repeats insults and takes a few quotes out of context is 'enlightening' somehow. Truly she's being destroyed by facts and logic here.
I posted the article I wanted to post that I thought was on topic, and there it is, a few posts up. Not trying to destroy anyone. I said thanks for the feedback.
 
Obviously, but I agree with Young and you don't.
I do think she was disturbed at some level, but I really don't see the value of my or your opinion on that. Shouldn't we talk about ideas and their value rather than what some columnist thinks about a historical feminist?
 
And even then it's inconsequential, because people don't follow dworkin like she's leading a political movement today. Instead people are inspired by her, because her words and ideas resonate with them. How credible she is, is completely inconsequential to that.
This could be said about Hitler and his modern followers. As Patai was quoted above, hate from Feminists is just as bad as hate from the KKK.
 
Leni Riefenstahl maybe. Highly influential film pioneer but still makes the modern woketarded feminist seethe and is just a nice chuckle to mention her for that reason
we feminazis love leni and hannah unironically
 

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You know I used to believe that women had some kind of privilege in the west.
As in being treated like a protected class. However if there ever was such a thing it doesn't exist anymore.
You cannot tell me I have privilege when a man can put on a dress and harass me in the women's restroom and I am the one who gets in trouble for complaining about it.
Women losing their job for saying transwomen aren't women. Lesbians being forced to suck girldick, and so on.
Where's the privilege?

I find it ironic that feminism gets blamed for tranny shit, when it's shit like this that pushes women towards feminism.
Terfs are more popular/infamous than before the tranny shit took off.

I dislike mainstream liberal feminism because it's not doing what's best for women. It's doing what's best for the elite.
I'd like a movement that puts average women's interests first and doesn't shit on feminine women.
To be honest, I genuinely wonder what feminism's role is in relation to the rise of transgenderism.

Personally I've dated gender studies graduates and their feminist friend groups are the highest concentration of transgenders I've seen. They weren't the in your face "it's ma'am!" type of transgender, but more of the softly crying in a corner if things become too difficult for them.

Academic feminism in general seems very much involved with pushing transgenderism, with the focus on the non-binary and adjacent ideas. In contrast the more street version like anarchic feminism or antifa type feminist, a group I'm less personally acquainted with, but you'd talk to one or two at certain political events, from my superficial impression seemed much less involved with transgender ideas, though they'd put stickers or graffiti of things like "I put my gender in a blender" sometimes, so not wholly without it either.

You made a very good list of the real groundlayers of the foundation of transgenderism, of whom only one seemed to have been a feminist (and at least 2 were very much funded by Rockerfellers, so ideas pushed down from the wealthiest of men).

Further I've seen it in online forums, like for example the sinfest forum where you get these little terf strongholds. So at the very least there's the subsect of feminists that are very anti-trans. Of course there must also be non-radical feminists that trans exclusionary, but as in them not being radicals, they're unlikely to be as organized or visible.

Feminism may not have started the transgenderism, and may have some subsects opposed to it, but on the whole feminism seems to have been very fertile ground to plant the seed of it and a lot of promotion of it has happened by feminists. It seems to me transgenderism was largely popular and welcome in all but terf of the feminist spaces.

On the whole, if you look at the cross section of the society, I think a feminist is more likely to support to transgender ideology than not (and the younger he or she is, the more likely). In fact I can't think of any identity besides feminist that is more likely to support transgender in bathrooms, sports, trans education for kids, etcetera.

Am I wrong in my intuition? Am I missing something here? If so, why and what?
 
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What bad thing did Andrea Dworkin even do? Say mean things about men?
Am I wrong in my intuition? Am I missing something here? If so, why and what?
Well if we're talking about liberal feminism I would agree that they support trannies.
Keep in mind feminists (usually old-school) who speak out against tranny nonsense get harassed and put in a bad light by the media.
Just look what happened to Posie Parker. Feminists who are anti-trans see this shit, and try to keep a low profile.
 
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@Lemmingwiser the troon occupation of female/feminist spaces is infiltration 101.
one used to be able to read a lot more about this shit on microblogs, but guess what happened to them?
ninedeuce [iykyk] peaked me on Michfest, god what was it, almost 20 years ago? can't say.
 
the troon occupation of female/feminist spaces is infiltration 101.
It's not just feminist spaces either. They've been popping up in all kinds of positions of power.
Biden's assistant secretary, that Ukrainian military spokesperson, employees at big tech companies like google, Dylan Mulvaney being invited to the white house, and so on.
 
Keep in mind feminists (usually old-school) who speak out against tranny nonsense get harassed and put in a bad light by the media.
Just look what happened to Posie Parker. Feminists who are anti-trans see this shit, and try to keep a low profile.
Mind you, this is the first time I'm reading some things about her. But doesn't she say she isn't a feminist?

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