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You know I used to believe that women had some kind of privilege in the west.
As in being treated like a protected class. However if there ever was such a thing it doesn't exist anymore.
You cannot tell me I have privilege when a man can put on a dress and harass me in the women's restroom and I am the one who gets in trouble for complaining about it.
Women losing their job for saying transwomen aren't women. Lesbians being forced to suck girldick, and so on.
Where's the privilege?

I find it ironic that feminism gets blamed for tranny shit, when it's shit like this that pushes women towards feminism.
Terfs are more popular/infamous than before the tranny shit took off.

I dislike mainstream liberal feminism because it's not doing what's best for women. It's doing what's best for the elite.
I'd like a movement that puts average women's interests first and doesn't shit on feminine women.
 
Deer In Headlights said:
I find it ironic that feminism gets blamed for tranny shit, when it's shit like this that pushes women towards feminism.
Terfs are more popular/infamous than before the tranny shit took off.
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the feminist content:
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the feminists posting it:
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but yeah everything is always women's fault, despite all the feminists criticizing tranny bullshit since the 60s or 70s at least
 
SwanSwanson said:
Yes, it is innate and evolutionarily advantageous for human development for men to hate their mothers, grandmothers, aunts, daughters, and sisters and there are not any modern forces that incite the annoyance of women by men.
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Ok piece of shit misogynist. Brain dead towelhead. Shouldn’t you be getting slaughtered by kikes rn?
 
Dyn said:
No her mother was trash and called off the bombing campaign to support the UK during WW1, I like Sylvia for bombing cops.
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I had never heard of them before and am at the moment going purely by wikipedia articles. Emmeline was even imprisoned when they foiled her planting a bomb at one point. She called herself and her fellow suffragettes involved with it terrorists.

I can't find anything about Sylvia bombing cops. If you have any other places where I can read about this I'd appreciate it. Are you sure it was Sylvia then, and not her sister Christabel?
 
Feminism is a thing too far gone
A lost cause if you will
 
Lemmingwiser said:
I had never heard of them before and am at the moment going purely by wikipedia articles. Emmeline was even imprisoned when they foiled her planting a bomb at one point. She called herself and her fellow suffragettes involved with it terrorists.

I can't find anything about Sylvia bombing cops. If you have any other places where I can read about this I'd appreciate it. Are you sure it was Sylvia then, and not her sister Christabel?
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afaik the entire WSPU was complicit in the bombing campaign, but Sylvia's the only one I can simp for because the rest had disgusting, unforgivably pro-Angloid sentiments.
 
Lemmingwiser said:
Question for everyone:

Who was the most inspirational feminist for you and why?
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Andrea Dworkin. The first thing her critics comment on is her dumpy appearance, but this plays into what she’s getting at. She doesn’t care what men think and her style shows that she doesn’t need male permission or approval to exist. For girls who grow up in the shadow of DV and evil men Dworkin’s work is solely needed as it is necessary.
LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV] said:
Leni Riefenstahl maybe. Highly influential film pioneer but still makes the modern woketarded feminist seethe and is just a nice chuckle to mention her for that reason
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*wignat detected*
 
Let's check out the most influential people who started this troon shit:
Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld (first SRS on a man)
Dr. Alfred Kinsey (founded the institute with the first transwoman client)
John Money
Harry Benjamin (started the International Dysphoria Association)
John Oliven (pushed for the term transgender)
etc.

Those are all men. Pedoscum too.
It's almost like the guys who blame feminism are full of shit.
 
Norbert the Tiger said:
And here is a famous quote that should get the noggin jogging.
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"There is nothing more admirable than when two people who see eye to eye keep house as man and wife, confounding their enemies and delighting their friends."​

Lemmingwiser said:
Question for everyone:

Who was the most inspirational feminist for you and why?
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Not the most inspirational, but shoutout to podcaster Meghan Murphy for doing what she's been doing for 10+ years now. She's not as stubborn as Null, nor has she faced as much shit, but I do admire her "Fuck you I'm still here." attitude when it comes to her site and podcast.
 
I found this article enlightening on just how radical Dworkin was.

As for her appearance, people who do not have self control make their own miseries. She was sad because she ate and she ate because she was sad. More fuel for the fire. Even the ancients agree, the inability to govern oneself at the table is a moral failing.
The Dworkin Whitewash
CATHY YOUNG | 4.17.2005 2:22 AM

What's with all the posthumous adulation of loony feminist extraordinaire Andrea Dworkin? The New York Times gives Dworkin's sister-in-censorship, law professor Catharine MacKinnon, a platform to celebrate the late writer/activist as a Nobel Prize-caliber genius, misunderstood by the world and maligned by "minions of the status quo" (such as, presumably, American Civil Liberties Union president Nadine Strossen, who coined the brilliant term "MacDworkin" to describe the duo and their followers). The Boston Globe published an equally glowing eulogy by Wheelock College professor Gail Dines (my own considerably more jaundiced view runs on Monday). I was especially taken aback when the usually reasonable Ann Althouse, University of Wisconsin law professor and blogger, decided to "honor" Dworkin with this tribute. Althouse notes that in contrast to the "blatantly partisan" feminists who flocked to Bill Clinton's defense when he was accused of sexual misconduct, "Dworkin, for all her overstatements and wackiness, was truly devoted to feminism as an end." All right, so Dworkin was nonpartisan in her demonization of men and male sexuality ("What needs to be asked," she notoriously told a British writer on Clinton's dalliance with Monica Lewinsky, "is, Was the cigar lit?"). That's a good thing? And what is this "feminism" she was dedicated to, anyway? It certainly wasn't liberal feminism, anti-censorship feminism, or pro-sex feminism, all of which she despised.

The bottom line:
Whatever her defenders may say, Dworkin was a relentless preacher of hatred toward men ("Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman"— Letters from a War Zone, 1989, p. 14). Yes, she apparently had genuine and even warm affection for some men in her own life, and spent her last 20 years with a male companion she eventually married (John Stoltenberg, a MacDworkinite feminist and practically a poet of male self-loathing). But no one would absolve a male misogynist on the grounds that he loved his mother and sister, or had a devoted wife who embraced his ideology.

Whatever her defenders say, Dworkin was anti-sex. No, she may not have ever written the actual words "All sex is rape" or "All sexual intercourse is rape." But she did extensively argue, in particular in the 1987 book, Intercourse, that (1) all heterosexual sex in our "patriarchal" society is coercive and degrading to women, and (2) sexual penetration may by its very nature doom women to inferiority and submission, and "may be immune to reform." A chapter from the book, filled with such insights as, "Intercourse is the pure, sterile, formal expression of men's contempt for women," can be found here. (Again, if a male writer had written book after book arguing that women were evil creatures whose sole purpose in life is to sexually manipulate and destroy men, would we spend a lot of time quibbling over whether he actually used the phrase, "All women are whores"?) In the 1976 book, Our Blood (p. 13), Dworkin had this to say about a feminist transformation of sexuality: "For men I suspect that this transformation begins in the place they most dread—that is, in a limp penis. I think that men will have to give up their precious erections and begin to make love as women do together." (Gee… can you say "castrating"?)

It's sadly obvious that this supposedly bold and visionary prophet was, in actuality, insane. (Among other things, she described the Caesarian section as "a surgical fuck" by "the new rapist, the surgeon.") So why the praise? Is this really little more than slightly over-the-top rhetoric in defense of the oppressed? Is challenging the very existence of sexual intercourse really a wonderfully bold and provocative idea, as even pro-sex feminist and frequent Dworkin target Susie Bright seems to think? Why the lack of stigma against anti-male bigotry?

In her Times op-ed, MacKinnon complains that Dworkin's brilliant ideas have been "marginalized." Clearly, they haven't been marginalized enough; and that's bad news for women, men, and feminism.

By the way, the best critique of MacDworkinism can be found in Daphne Patai's outstanding 1998 book Heterophobia: Sexual Harassment and the Future of Feminism. I leave you with Patai's observation: "Cultivating hatred for another human group ought to be no more acceptable when it issues from the mouths of women than when it comes from men, no more tolerable from feminists than from the Ku Klux Klan."

UPDATE: Today's New York Times, in the Week in Review section, features a piece on the praise bestowed on Dworkin by some conservatives. Actually, one of the curious aspects of Dworkin's "legacy" is the extent to which appropriating her language helped social conservatives attack freedom and equality for women without appearing anti-woman. I recall Terry Jeffrey of Human Events, a few years ago, saying on the late, unlamented Crossfire that the sexual revolution was "violence against women." And just the other day at the blog of the Independent Women's Forum, Charlotte Hays referred to women being wounded in combat in Iraq as "state-sanctioned violence against women." In a way, it makes sense. The MacDworkinite focus on violent male abuse of women completely obscured the fact that at least in Western history, patriarchy far more commonly took the form of paternalism and special protections for women. Thus, this ideology played straight into the hands of the neo-paternalists.

UPDATE, again: My Boston Globe column on Dworkin is now online.

CATHY YOUNG is a contributing editor at Reason
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The best critique of MacDworkinism can be found in [...] Daphne Patai's observation: "Cultivating hatred for another human group ought to be no more acceptable when it issues from the mouths of women than when it comes from men, no more tolerable from feminists than from the Ku Klux Klan."
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