Science Feeling lonely? You're not alone

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/feeling-lonely-you-are-not-alone/


An avid musician, John Francis likes to let his banjo do the talking. And at one point, that was the ONLY talking he did. On his 27th birthday, he decided he had to do something really different – to not speak for an entire day. Just a day.

But that one day turned into two days, then a week, then a month. Ultimately, he did not say one word to another human being for 17 years.

That's right: At 27, Francis decided to stop talking, period. And he stuck with that decision until he was 44 years old. "There were about four times when by accident I did speak, when I bumped into someone at the grocery store, and I said, 'Excuse me,'" he told correspondent Susan Spencer.

He spent those quiet years hiking, camping, and making art. He says he really didn't miss conversation. It wasn't working for him anyway. "I would listen just enough to think I knew what someone was gonna say," Francis said. "And then I'd stop listening, which in effect cuts communication."

That feeling of being disconnected went hand-in-hand with something bigger: Loneliness. "I think I was lonely before I started this in the sense that I didn't want to be alone with myself. And that makes you lonely," he said.

But anyone who feels lonely is far from alone. According to a recent study, nearly half of Americans now say they sometimes or always feel alone, and one in five says they rarely or never feel close to anyone.

So, to be lonely, do you have to be alone?

"No," former Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy. "Because it's about the quality of your connections with people. It's not just how many friends you have. It's about, do those friends know you authentically?"

Dr. Murthy made headlines when he called loneliness an epidemic. He even says loneliness can be fatal. "The increased mortality associated with loneliness is equal to the increased mortality we see with smoking 15 cigarettes a day," said Dr. Murthy. "It's in fact greater than the mortality associated with obesity."

It doesn't matter who you are, or even how old you are. "The assumption that many people often have is that it's older people who are lonely, but it turns out youth and young adults may have the highest rates of loneliness."

Spencer asked, "You think younger people may be more likely to be lonely than older people?"

"That's what some recent studies have in fact indicated."

And especially among millennials, the ever-present phone may in part be why. Among the people who use social media the most, the higher the odds are of feeling lonely.

Dr. Brian Primack at the University of Pittsburgh heads the Center for Research on Media, Technology and Health, says the more social media we use, the lonelier we are likely to be. "This is totally counterintuitive," said Spencer.

So, why would someone with 3,000 Facebook friends feel lonely? "One is this idea of social comparison," said Dr. Primack. "People are able to take 300, 400 pictures of themselves and post that one that makes them look like they are that much more thin or that much more attractive or that much more successful. The impression from the outside can easily be on social media, 'Wow, I can't measure up with my very normal life.'"

John Francis agrees that social media has contributed enormously to people feeling alone. "Someone said just recently to me that, 'If you have four really good friends, you're a lucky person,' [as opposed to] 4,000 likes."

Whether or not social media is to blame, loneliness is not unique to this country. The government of the United Kingdom has now created a Minister for Loneliness, to study why people are lonely, and then figure out what kinds of interventions might help smooth that out.

If the U.S. had a minister of loneliness, psychotherapist Traci Ruble might be it. "I believe that everybody gets lonely. Period," she said.

With that in mind, a few times a month Ruble and her team set up impromptu offices on the streets in San Francisco. They sit and listen to total strangers for free.

Spencer asked, "When you first proposed this idea, how did your colleagues react?"

"They thought I was crazy!" she laughed.

But four years later, her community listening project, called Sidewalk Talk, is 3,200 volunteers strong, in 48 cities around the world.

Spencer said, "But most people would think that, 'Well, I don't want to tell a stranger.'"

"Actually, people open up to strangers more easily than they do people they know," said Ruble. "A few months ago, I had a young guy sit down – he was just fresh out of college – and he said to me, 'I didn't realize that work was gonna be like this, that I would sit in a cubicle all day looking at a screen talking to no one.' And he didn't say anything else. He just sat and cried for about 10 minutes. And then he said, 'Huh, great, I feel so much better, thank you.' And then he left."

Spencer asked, "Which do you think is lonelier: to be with people and not feel that you're fully communicating, or to actually physically be by yourself?"

"The loneliest that I felt was when I was with someone," John Francis said, "but I was still lonely."

Francis started talking again in 1990. That part of his personal journey, he says, was over. "I climbed a mountain, and at this bottom of this mountain I was lonely. And on the way up, I found that, 'No, you're not lonely. You're just alone.' It just turned into solitude. And solitude was something that you craved, you wanted, you looked for."

Inspired by nature from early on, today at 72, Francis is an environmentalist, an author, and – remarkably – a compelling public speaker.

"Do you get lonely today?" Spencer asked.

"I got a wife and two kids. No, I don't think so!" he laughed.

It's the sort of happy ending that all the folks we met would like see more often.

Dr. Murthy said, "Our social connection is the foundation on which we build healthy and fulfilling lives."

Ruble said, "I would like people to start to notice how much they need actual connection. We need vitamins, we need vegetables, we need clean air, and we need connection."
 
The Virgin no-speaker banjo dude vs. the Chad North Pond Hermit



edit: Only problem being Christopher Knight is in fact a virgin. Or was as of his release from prison.
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The Guardian 2005 said:
60 years after the war ends, two soldiers emerge from the jungle
Mystery surrounds Japanese men, both in their 80s, who say they have been in hiding since second world war
Justin McCurry in Tokyo and John Aglionby, south-east Asia correspondent

Sat 28 May 2005 00.03 BST

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The two old men apparently declared they were soldiers, and the story they told when they emerged from the dense jungle of a Philippine island was yesterday the talk of the nation they claimed to have fought for.
According to reports, the Japanese men, who are both in their 80s, said they had been hiding on the island of Mindanao, which is 600 miles from Manila, since before the end of the second world war.

The Kyodo news agency identified them as Yoshio Yamakawa, 87, and Tsuzuki Nakauchi, 85, and said they were former members of a division whose ranks were devastated in fierce battles with US forces towards the end of the war.

The soldiers had remained in the jungle and mountains since then, possibly unaware that the war had ended 60 years ago, and afraid that they would be court-martialled for desertion if they showed their faces again.

The revelation provoked an immediate response in Tokyo, with the prime minister, Junichiro Koizumi, dispatching a team of diplomats to try to verify the stories.

Mr Koizumi told reporters that if the two were found to be Japanese soldiers, everything would be done to repatriate them if that was what they wanted.

"If they are alive, we'd like to fulfill their wishes," he said. "If this turns out to be true it will be quite a surprise. They have done really well to stay alive this long."

If yesterday's reports are true, it would be the first time a Japanese soldier has been found alive for more than 30 years.

In 1974, Hiroo Onoda, a Japanese army intelligence officer, caused a sensation when he was persuaded to come out of hiding by a former comrade on the Philippine island of Lubang.

Mr Onoda, now 83, wept uncontrollably as he agreed to lay down his rifle, unaware that Japanese forces had surrendered 29 years earlier. He returned to Japan the same year, but unable to adapt to life in his home country, emigrated to Brazil in 1975.

In 1972, Shoichi Yokoi was found on the island of Guam and returned to Japan, where he died in 1997. Like Mr Onoda, he had no idea that the war had ended.

The drama began on Thursday when a Japanese mediator for a veteran's group who was on Mindanao searching for the remains of former soldiers told the Japanese embassy in Manila that he had been contacted by the men and would be able to deliver them to the island's capital, General Santos, yesterday afternoon.

But hopes of confirming their identities were dashed when they men failed to materialise, possibly scared off by the media attention.

"There has been nothing concrete at all today; nothing has happened," an embassy spokesman, Shuhei Ogawa, told the Guardian from the hotel where the Japanese delegation was waiting. With expectation mounting at home, Japanese officials on the ground said they were not ready to give up. The embassy delegation plans to stay at least until today.

"We don't know beyond that," Mr Ogawa said. "It depends on what happens. We believe someone from the social welfare ministry is due to leave Japan tomorrow but we don't know when they will get to General Santos City."

A close associate of a veterans' organisation in Japan that knows the mediator told the Guardian he was confident that the men exist.

"I understand that they produced some form of identification and wrote their names in Japanese," said Kazuhiko Terashima, whose father, Yoshihiko, is president of a group that searches for the remains of Japanese soldiers. "Then they said they wanted to return to Japan, so the mediator contacted the Japanese embassy."

Mr Terashima said he believed the men, who were dressed in civilian clothes, had fled back into the mountains because they were unsettled by the presence of so many Japanese reporters in the area.

Japan invaded the Philippines in 1941, hours after the attack on the US at Pearl Harbor, in Hawaii. It conducted a brutal occupation that killed an estimated one million Filipinos.

But the historical background barely merited a mention in media coverage in Japan, where speculation mounted that the octogenarians, if found to be genuine, would return home more than 60 years after they left as young men to fight for the emperor.

"If they come, we will ask them if they can speak Japanese and if they want to return to Japan," said Shinichi Ogawa, the Japanese consul for Davao, the main city on Mindanao.

Negotiators and former soldiers regularly travel to the Philippines to investigate reports of Japanese military stragglers living in mountain jungles, apparently unaware that the war had ended.

An estimated three million Japanese troops were stationed overseas when the wartime emperor, Hirohito, surrendered in August 1945. Unaware of their country's capitulation, some went into hiding, holding on to their weapons and ammunition for years and evading patrols of allied troops.

"We always have rumours about war veterans turning up alive in remote parts of the Philippines," Mr Ogawa said. "But this time the story seemed more credible. We had someone who promised us concrete information, a meeting on a certain day. So we took it more seriously."
 
Maybe people are lonely because everyone would rather stare at their phones than make eye contact with you, and on the off chance they listen to you anyway, depending on your environment you'll get a lynchmob trying to ruin your life if you say the wrong thing so trying to connect over real feelings and beliefs while having a heart attack every time you feel the crunch of an eggshell under your feet feels like more trouble than it's worth.

Close,

I don't think this walk-on-eggshells-for-fear-of-the-socjus-mob isn't a thing, but, I don't think it causes social alienation.

Rather, for borderline cases, shy people, people trying to recover from personal trauma, people on the rebound who just got out of a relationship, etc, the current societal temperature of extreme politically-motivated tribalism is the deal-breaker for them trying and a justification to just give up - "They'd just abandon me again the moment I said something wrong"

Someone determined to settle down and start a family isn't going to care about the blue hair mob, but to someone who is depressed, with low self-esteem, whose flopped at 2 or 3 relationships in a row? They look at the current head-in-phone generation and see the final "argument" needed to justify to themselves that they'd just be better off staying in their bedrooms and wanking it.

Violent vidya doesn't make school shooters out of altar boys, but, it can be the final "yeah, that'd be cool" piece of motivation to someone who's gone 99% of the way to shooting up their school, convincing them that the "hero" is totally justified in a violent rampage on those who deserve it.

The Social Media generation doesn't cause loneliness, but the fact it's seemingly nothing but negativity for you and instant celebrity to everyone else is the final piece for those in a tailspin to not bother trying to pull out.
 
The Social Media generation doesn't cause loneliness, but the fact it's seemingly nothing but negativity for you and instant celebrity to everyone else is the final piece for those in a tailspin to not bother trying to pull out.

I dunno about that. If the "nearly half of americans" stat in the OP is anywhere near accurate, I'd imagine that a lot of people substitute time spent socializing with time on social media or playing fortnite or whatever, which doesn't really satisfy the human need for contact with other people.
 
I will agree people dont' get nearly enough "practice" socializing these days, the militancy and tribalism you see when trying to discuss politics is mostly because an entire generation has raised itself never having to hear the word "no" and literally have no idea what to do when someoen disagrees with them, they can't fathom another person existing and having different life experiences that have led to different opinions, they only know that they've been told "No" and the only, ONLY person who would do that is a troll/mean person.

I mean, I saw once a college age girl ordering something from a lunch counter, the clerk telling her "sorry, we are sold out of that item" and without missing a beat, the girl said "You don't have to be RUDE about it!" .... The poor guy at the counter didn't raise his voice, didn't use foul language, just said that he couldn't complete that order due to lack of materials, and was called rude for it.... that, in a microcosm is what I perceive to be the greatest problem of the social media age.

People these days need to learn how to handle the fact that not only can their every whim not be satisfied, but that there's no malice behind something as mundane as a sandwich shop running low on something. When you live in a hugbox, you lose the ability to realize where your opinions and feelings stop, and those of others, who are just as entitled to have theirs as you do yours, begin.

Or even more fundamentally, not everyone gets a trophy, and most things don't even warrant one in the first place.
 
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