Euro migrant crisis

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CWCissey said:
the young men who should be fighting to make their country a better place should not be saying 'lol fuck this I'm outsies' and attempt to crash into Europe.
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What if instead of actually physically fighting ISIS they just made a lot of forum posts about how bad ISIS are?

Seriously, if I was in Syria, I would run the fuck away too.

Cosmos said:
literally every single picture taken seems to consist of 95% youngish, able-bodied men:
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I could show you plenty of images of women and children. Check out the recent Hungarian TV footage.

Having said that, young men are over-represented, but there's a simple reason - they are most likely to survive the passage and most likely to be able to earn money in Europe. Often an extended family will club together to pay to get somebody onto a boat, and it makes sense that they'd choose the one who's in the best position to take advantage of the earning potential that comes from being physically in the first world. Think of it as an investment. Sending an old lady or some kids is an investment much less likely to pay off.

Dynastia said:
I think they should be allowed refugee status only if they convert to Christianity and denounce Islam.
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The funny thing is, this is bulk standard Dynastia low-effort trolling, but it's also official Hungarian government policy.
 
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AnOminous said:
Unfortunately, yes.

And this actually violates international law, which by numerous treaties, covenants, and customary practice, actually requires all nations to protect the rights of stateless citizens, those facing torture, genocide, and some other classes of violence.

However, any nation which made itself the "go-to" nation for immigrants would immediately be flooded with those excluded by every other nation, that is, would be punished for that decision.

The result is a classic "race to the bottom" as each participant in this game opts for the most selfish option.
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And this is why there's never an easy answer out of this whole problem.
Dudeofteenage said:
What if instead of actually physically fighting ISIS they just made a lot of forum posts about how bad ISIS are?

Seriously, if I was in Syria, I would run the fuck away too.
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We live in a sick, sad world.
 
I don't see why anyone would think accepting migrants is a good idea. Europe is already facing a housing crisis and economic turmoil, a massive influx of unskilled Islamic migrants is not going to ease that situation. The Gulf states and the US should be taking in more migrants, but Saudis aren't interested in migrants and migrants aren't interested in a state that won't give them free money just for existing.
 
As a Brit we should just announce that none of the migrants that make it into this country outside of the camps will be granted AS status. By being in Calais they have broken the EU laws we are beholden to by not seeking refuge in the first safe country. Ergo we aren't required to take them and neither are the Germans.

What the fuck happened to you Germany? Old Germany wouldn't have put up with this shit.
 
The migrants figured out an easy new route. They cross into Russia, travel by bus or train all the way up north to Murmansk near the Norwegian border, then bicycle the 50 meters over to Norway and immediately claim refugee status. The Norwegian police can't do shit since there is this legal loophole that lets bicyclists cross the Russo-Norwegian border without travel documents.
 
Dudeofteenage said:
What if instead of actually physically fighting ISIS they just made a lot of forum posts about how bad ISIS are?
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That's so true.

The situation in Syria is catastrophic. I'm pretty sure we would all run in the same situation.
 
Ass Manager 3000 said:
That's so true.

The situation in Syria is catastrophic. I'm pretty sure we would all run in the same situation.
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The Duke wouldn't.
 
Bertram said:
I don't see why anyone would think accepting migrants is a good idea.
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Because it's a way to help people in desperate need who we have a moral duty to even if we don't share citizenship with them. And because the crises you mention are caused by poor economic policies, not by absolute population numbers. If Europe's population was half what it is we'd still be having a housing crisis. (And to illustrate this fact, inside Europe housing access is sometimes low in countries with low population density (eg Spain) and high in countries with high population density (eg Germany)).

Seriously, if you're angry about the consequences of neoliberal economics, maybe look at the people who are telling you it's all about immigration. It may turn out they have a vested interest in blaming it on a group with close to zero power. It's always very convenient when the group whose fault bad things (TM) are turns out to be the group it's most politically low-cost to criticise. In my experience life is rarely that convenient.

Enclave Supremacy said:
What the fuck happened to you Germany? Old Germany wouldn't have put up with this shit.
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I'm not sure exactly which "old Germany" you're referring to, but even being charitable and assuming that you mean Imperial Germany rather than Nazi Germany, I'm still pretty happy old Germany has disappeared. (Although Imperial Germany took in quite a lot of migrants, albeit mostly from Southern Europe - but in the 19th century Southern Europe was in many ways almost as bad a place to live as today's Middle East)
 
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The Russians really know how to handle this situation. They have only granted refugee status to a grand total of 3 Syrians and given temporary asylum to a little over 1600, which is only good for one year. They deport the rest of those draft dodgers.
 
I usually like Last Week Tonight but even I thought this was ridiculously biased. Of course they focus on the disabled English-speaking girl who loves Western media. Of course.

 
millais said:
The Russians really know how to handle this situation. They have only granted refugee status to a grand total of 3 Syrians and given temporary asylum to a little over 1600, which is only good for one year. They deport the rest of those draft dodgers.
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It's not like the "refugees" want to go to Russia anyway. They want all that yummy free gubmint money and other handouts that only decadent Western European countries are giving away.
 
MrTroll said:
It's not like the "refugees" want to go to Russia anyway. They want all that yummy free gubmint money and other handouts that only decadent Western European countries are giving away.
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The Russians might not be getting as many Syrians, but they are deporting the vast majority of the ones they do get. From what I've read, they nail a lot of Syrians on illegal border crossing charges, which effectively disqualifies them for refugee/asylum status under Russian law. And since most of the Syrians fleeing the country have fake or expired passports, this lets the Russians deport them en masse.
 
millais said:
The Russians might not be getting as many Syrians, but they are deporting the vast majority of the ones they do get. From what I've read, they nail a lot of Syrians on illegal border crossing charges, which effectively disqualifies them for refugee/asylum status under Russian law. And since most of the Syrians fleeing the country have fake or expired passports, this lets the Russians deport them en masse.
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Why can't the rest of Europe be so advanced as russia
 
autisticdragonkin said:
Why can't the rest of Europe be so advanced as russia
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Russia spent the better part of 10 years fighting Wahabbist jihadis in Chechnya, so they know from first hand experience what happens when you let your country develop a large Islamic population that feels alienated from the rest of the Christian/secular population.
 
millais said:
Russia spent the better part of 10 years fighting Wahabbist jihadis in Chechnya, so they know from first hand experience what happens when you let your country develop a large Islamic population that feels alienated from the rest of the Christian/secular population.
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You do realise that Russia's large Muslim population doesn't come from people who migrated there voluntarily right
 
millais said:
Russia spent the better part of 10 years fighting Wahabbist jihadis in Chechnya, so they know from first hand experience what happens when you let your country develop a large Islamic population that feels alienated from the rest of the Christian/secular population.
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Russia has been fighting Muslims they colonized since at least the mid-18th century.
 
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