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Alot of them make that claim. Catholics claim that your christian once your baptized. These claims are the religious zealot equivalent of the very atheists we're discussing.
 
Cosmos said:
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This argument is so fucking dumb and false. So is the argument that all animals are atheists (seriously, I've heard atheist vegans *shudder* claim that atheists need to stand up for animal rights because they're all nonbelievers). Babies and animals can't be atheists (or theists, for that matter) because they literally don't even have a concept of a deity that they can embrace or reject. So no, you're not actually being smart when you say shit like this.
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If anything, a baby wouldn't care about belief (and/or lack of belief) in a deity not because they are born an atheist but aside from not having the concept of a deity, they could care less. They'd find other things important such as suckling on a teat of their mother or crying from loud noises.
 
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Alot of them make that claim. Catholics claim that your christian once your baptized. These claims are the religious zealot equivalent of the very atheists we're discussing.
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At least Catholicism has the sacrament of Confirmation, which usually takes place after people have entered puberty; for example, I was confirmed when I was 14. For non-Catholics, that's when people officially join the Church by affirming their beliefs and expressing a willingness to remain in the Church; afterwards, they're seen as full-fledged members of the Church whereas children aren't seen that way. Also, there's lots of preparation leading up to it; you don't just walk up to the bishop and say that you'll stay Catholic, there's months of preparation beforehand. You learn a lot about the Church and its values, pick a conformation saint that you feel connected to (I picked Cecilia, patron saint of music, for example), pick a confirmation sponsor (someone over 18 who is a confirmed Catholic themselves and is preferably not in your immediate family), do a big report over your saint, attend special classes... the list goes on and on. Conformation is kind of a big fucking deal, to say the least.

But nah, we're all just brainwashed fundies who haven't embraced the glorious teachings of Saint Blessed Richard Dawkins and his holy scripture enlightening text, the God Delusion. After all, we're all born atheists and were coerced into shackling ourselves to religion!
 
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Cosmos said:
At least Catholicism has the sacrament of Confirmation, which usually takes place after people have entered puberty; for example, I was confirmed when I was 13. For non-Catholics, that's when people officially join the Church by affirming their beliefs and expressing a willingness to remain in the Church; afterwards, they're seen as full-fledged members of the Church whereas children aren't seen that way. Also, there's lots of preparation leading up to it; you don't just walk up to the bishop and say that you'll stay Catholic, there's months of preparation beforehand. You learn a lot about the Church and its values, pick a conformation saint that you feel connected to (I picked Cecilia, patron saint of music, for example), pick a confirmation sponsor (someone over 18 who is a confirmed Catholic themselves and is preferably not in your immediate family), do a big report over your saint... the list goes on and on. Conformation is kind of a big fucking deal, to say the least.
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That sounds very similar to the Bar/Bat Mitzvah every Jew has to go through at around the same age. You're considered a Jew as long as your mother is Jewish, but you're not considered an adult Jew and a full member of your community until your Mitzvah.

We can have them on any date we want a couple months after our 13th birthday (12th for girls), and each day in the Jewish calendar corresponds to a certain passage in the Five Books of Moses (so today on the Jewish new year, we start over at Genesis 1:1 and the cycle continues). You're supposed to have your day's passage memorized and read it directly from the Torah, which is a Big Fucking Deal. Only the rabbi is usually allowed to handle the Torah, and nobody can even touch the paper with their hands. You use a little silver pointer hand on the end of a stick to mark your place instead. You also give a short essay/speech thing on what your passage means to you and why you chose it. My temple was awesome and let me choose a passage from Deuteronomy where God tells the Israelites to murder all the nonbelievers a few towns over. My temple was also awesome because they let me write my essay on how that passage I just read was a load of outdated prejudiced bullshit. Most of the time, Judaism's pretty chill like that.
 
VLAD said:
That sounds very similar to the Bar/Bat Mitzvah every Jew has to go through at around the same age. You're considered a Jew as long as your mother is Jewish, but you're not considered an adult Jew and a full member of your community until your Mitzvah.

We can have them on any date we want a couple months after our 13th birthday (12th for girls), and each day in the Jewish calendar corresponds to a certain passage in the Five Books of Moses (so today on the Jewish new year, we start over at Genesis 1:1 and the cycle continues). You're supposed to have your day's passage memorized and read it directly from the Torah, which is a Big Fucking Deal. Only the rabbi is usually allowed to handle the Torah, and nobody can even touch the paper with their hands. You use a little silver pointer hand on the end of a stick to mark your place instead. You also give a short essay/speech thing on what your passage means to you and why you chose it. My temple was awesome and let me choose a passage from Deuteronomy where God tells the Israelites to murder all the nonbelievers a few towns over. My temple was also awesome because they let me write my essay on how that passage I just read was a load of outdated prejudiced bullshit. Most of the time, Judaism's pretty chill like that.
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Wow, it's almost like not all religions are superstitious, hate-mongering, outdated cults and many actually highly value freedom of thought! And maybe, just maybe, some religions evolve along with the societies they're part of and don't remain stagnated in a culture that's been gone for hundreds (maybe even thousands) of years.

But still, I'm not sure I'm entirely dissuaded from:neckbeard: thinking...
 
Let me bring out a new and fresh idea, because that's what I do.

Atheism is not a religion. It involves a central belief, and as much as ignoarant agnostic want to believe to make it so, presence or absence of evidence does not make a difference. I can believe Hitler killed Keneedy with no evidence, it's not in any way a religion. A religion needs to have

1. A feeling of being part of something, present to a point in Atheism
2. It's own culture, missing in Atheism
3. A common belief on the purpose of humanity's place in the universe, kinda present but not much.

In fact most atheist find the religious sentiment lacking in their life and have some other kind of spirituality.
 
I just found a euphoric atheist and a gamer-gater rolled into one.
Shockingly, he's married with a kid, according to his front page description :heart-empty:

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Sorry, I'm on my phone now. Otherwise, I would have just posted the Twitter links.
 
Cosmos said:
At least Catholicism has the sacrament of Confirmation, which usually takes place after people have entered puberty; for example, I was confirmed when I was 14. For non-Catholics, that's when people officially join the Church by affirming their beliefs and expressing a willingness to remain in the Church; afterwards, they're seen as full-fledged members of the Church whereas children aren't seen that way.
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Lutherans are also confirmed, but it is not a sacrament and not on the same level of seriousness and commitment as for Catholics.
 
Too Many Crooks said:
I just found a euphoric atheist and a gamer-gater rolled into one.
Shockingly, he's married with a kid, according to his front page description :heart-empty:

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Sorry, I'm on my phone now. Otherwise, I would have just posted the Twitter links.
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I found that bitch in his link. Real piece of work, she is. Examples below...


And yet, atheists wonder why they're hated by everyone. Being a total cunt to everyone who doesn't think the same way you do and think you're superior for it tends to cause hatred.
 
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Not sure if everyone knows by now, but the atheist pope himself, Richard Dawkins released a new book recently. Sure to be just as full of tripe as the others.
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Go fuck yourself Dawkins.
 
RedneckQuadFeed said:
Not sure if everyone knows by now, but the atheist pope himself, Richard Dawkins released a new book recently. Sure to be just as full of tripe as the others.
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Go fuck yourself Dawkins.
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I want to believe in an afterlife just so I can imagine his smug face getting tortured in hell.
 
The depressing thing is that I actually do agree with a couple of Dawkin's views regarding religion, but he comes off as such a smarmy prick sometimes that I just feel guilty backing that horse.

I mean, like, I get that sometimes you like to put some religious folk down a peg because there's a lot of fundamentalists out there that won't shut up about their preferred religion and you wanna show them up, but when you're the one constantly picking fights, you end up looking like the asshole.
 
RedneckQuadFeed said:
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Dawkins said:
"If [evolution] were guided, we wouldn't need nat selection."
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  1. God so wishes a species to evolve with certain traits
  2. God, being omnipotent, allows such traits to form in some members of the species over time
  3. The members of the species with the aforementioned traits are more suited to not get killed, find food, and reproduce survive and pass on their genes whereas those without the traits die (i.e. natural selection)
Solved your dilemma for you, Dawkins.
 
The funniest thing about Dawkins is that he is right. Wish them postmortem punishment? Just happened in this thread.

Hating people enjoying life ? Gazelle_bro just did that, with a couple more people thrown in.
 
Speaking of Dawkins, I remember one person comparing Dawkins to Carl Sagan. Sagan wasn't religious, but he wasn't in-your-face atheist either, and was more agnostic.

Hat said:
Solved your dilemma for you, Dawkins.
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Another way of looking at it:
Emmanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772) said:
Divine Providence does its work out of sight and in ways beyond comprehension, for the reason that a person may be able in freedom to attribute that work either to providence or else to chance.
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