Opinion End useless math requirements - Smartest journalist

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I know only two people who can readily recite the quadratic formula. My wife is one. She’s always been a whiz at school, but, as a choir teacher, she has absolutely no use for the equation (other than as an occasional party trick). The other person is my brother, who works with electron-beam technology as a mechanical engineer. He’s in the minority of people who actually use advanced math daily.

For most of us, the formula was one of many alphabet soup combinations crammed into our heads in high school long enough to pass a math test, then promptly forgotten. I’m queasy all over again just thinking about it. As a functioning adult in society, I have no use for imaginary numbers or the Pythagorean theorem. I’ve never needed to determine the height of a flagpole by measuring its shadow and the angle of the sun.

Only 22 percent of the nation’s workers use any math more advanced than fractions, and they typically occupy technical or skilled positions. That means more than three-fourths of the population spends painful years in school futzing with numbers when they could be learning something more useful.

I’m talking about applied logic. This branch of philosophy grows from the same mental tree as algebra and geometry but lacks the distracting foliage of numbers and formulas. Call it the art of thinking clearly. We need this urgently in this era of disinformation, in which politicians and media personalities play on our emotions and fears.

Logic teaches us how to trace a claim back to its underlying premises and to test each link in a chain of thought for unsupported assumptions or fallacies. People trained in logic are better able to spot the deceptions and misdirection that politicians so often employ. They also have a better appreciation for different points of view because they understand the thought processes that produce multiple legitimate conclusions concerning the same set of facts. They are comfortable with spirited dialogue about what’s best for our society.

I once asked my pre-calculus teacher whether I would ever use the information she taught in real life. Her answer was surprisingly frank: I probably wouldn’t. The reason to take the class was to score well on the advanced placement test, which would give me a leg up on the math requirements in college. In other words, numbers for the sake of numbers.

Math advocates claim to be teaching complex problem solving, mental discipline and a better understanding of our world. Logic teaches the same things more directly. Geometry can’t teach me when an argument is manipulating my emotions, but logic can. Calculus doesn’t help me solve moral dilemmas, but philosophy does.

Admittedly, all students need to master the basic math of everyday life so they can manage money, compare prices, find the center of a wall to hang a picture and so on. And some students, like my brother, will fall in love with math. That’s a good thing, because they will use it to make bridges safe, to predict the weather, to land spacecraft on the moon and Mars — you get the idea.

It’s reasonable to suggest that public schools all provide a standardized core curriculum. But what makes up a fundamental education? America has not thought through this question in a national conversation since the 1983 release of “A Nation At Risk.” The product of a presidential commission on education, this report warned of declining achievement in the country’s schools and diagnosed “the urgent need for improvement.” Among its recommendations were a minimum of three years of math for all high school graduates.

Since that time, the digital revolution has placed massive computational power in the palm of every student’s hand. Should the need for a cube root arise in someone’ life, Siri is available 24/7 to provide the answer. That same revolution has given us a crisis of conspiracy theories and a polluted public discourse. What’s at risk now is our ability to reason together as citizens. Skills such as these might not be able to solve for X, but they could go a long way in the pursuit of happiness and the health of America. You can’t punch those things into a calculator.

The need to solve problems is eternal, but many of life’s weightiest problems don’t boil down to numbers. Prioritizing higher-level numeracy over other forms of logical reasoning is not turning us into a nation of engineers and physicists. It’s letting us become a nation that can’t think straight.

America’s Founders knew it would take educated citizens for this democratic republic to succeed. But nowhere did they mention the quadratic formula.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/06/end-useless-math-requirements/ (Archive)
 
Math has a place but I do think it's overtaught. Advanced algebra bullshit should stay as a college requirement for degrees in which it's relevant, I cannot think of any reason I would ever need to understand what a polynomial is, the quadratic formula, or that the square root of -1 is imaginary.
 
Pretty funny that this article is sitting next to the article calling for abolishing 401(k)s under the claim that most people are too stupid and innumerate to manage them.
 
Being good at math and memorizing formulas isn't so much about the results you actually get from it, it's about your ability to be able to learn things and problem solving. Those are the things that most non-NPC careers need in at least some way. It's just a way to filter the useless from the capable.
 
I know only two people who can readily recite the quadratic formula
You want to know an easy way to memorize it? Sing it to the tune of Pop Goes the Weasel.

X equals negative B
Plus or minus square root
Of B squared minus 4 A C
All over 2 A


I've spent years trying to forget it. You fucking can't.
 
I think that the best argument that I've heard is that there should be a course that takes the most essential things from Algebra I, II, and Geometry and rolls them into a single course, while aggressively teaching statistics in the other grades and giving students the option to take more advanced math if they would like.
 
i have the opposite view; i think schools should be teaching more math.

Calc 1 should be a requirement for graduating high school and anyone who fails three times should be placed into a chain gang.
cal 1 was shockingly easy, and i suck at math. anyone who cant handle that shouldn't be allowed to pollute my society, let alone vote.
 
I kinda don't disagree with this. Math should be only taught in a basic level universally in schools: sums, percentage, interest, fractions, etc. Things that are useful in life and people shouldn't be able to graduate unless they ace this, even if it takes them years to pass.

Advanced Math (and other advanced classes) should be reserved for the kids who want to pursue sciences after graduation... but you should still need to pass at least intro to Advanced Math to be able to be eligible to college, so this journo still likely won't make it.

You should be at least 100IQ to be accepted in college, but we know that's not happening. If so, we wouldn't have journalists.
 
if it's true that Jefferson invented the swivel chair, he knew basics of engineering, which isn't entirely possible without knowing some maths. Maybe they didn't know algebra, but they had concepts of numbers, I'm sure.
They were lawyers and business men who engaged in scientific discovery and experimentation for fun.
The founding fathers were intelligentsia-mega-nerds and don't let anyone tell you otherwise
 
Believe everyone needs to know how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide - cold. If you can perform these operations well, you can learn and do any other type of math, from personal experience.

Went through an entire working career, both civilian and military, without using any higher math than some basic algebra. This includes working at Microsoft and doing large-scale computer-based training system acquisition management.

Get the basics down, get them down well, and remember them.
 
If 100 whites and 100 blacks applied for 50 job openings at one company, how long would it take for someone to firebomb the nearest DNC office when 200 blacks got hired?
 
As a functioning adult in society, I have no use for imaginary numbers or the Pythagorean theorem
Dumb example, because that actually IS one of the ones you’ll use if you do any kind of ‘stuff that deals with bits of things’ like quilting, DIY etc.

You buy a 55 inch telly for your deano box. That’s a measure diagonally. It’s x inches tall, will it fit on that wall? You need to run a cable across something diagonally and you know only the vertical and horizontal. Etc. it’s one of the things people actually DO use in real life.
I think we should be taught more maths tbh. Especially stuff like ‘how to lie with statistics’ ‘the wonders/horrors of compound interest’ etc. nobody should leave school without the ability to balance their budget, pay bills and have a critical eye on the nonsense the media puts out.
 
No, no, no, as much as I hate math and know everything besides the basics are irrelevant for most people, it's still very important to teach these things in school. We need people to learn this stuff because you never know where it might lead and who might benefit from it. Otherwise you end up with the novel Feed. Also, "X equals negative B plus or minus the square root of B squared minus 4ac, all over 2a, that's the quadratic equation". I still remember it to this day because my teacher taught it to us as a song.
 
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