Opinion End useless math requirements - Smartest journalist

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I know only two people who can readily recite the quadratic formula. My wife is one. She’s always been a whiz at school, but, as a choir teacher, she has absolutely no use for the equation (other than as an occasional party trick). The other person is my brother, who works with electron-beam technology as a mechanical engineer. He’s in the minority of people who actually use advanced math daily.

For most of us, the formula was one of many alphabet soup combinations crammed into our heads in high school long enough to pass a math test, then promptly forgotten. I’m queasy all over again just thinking about it. As a functioning adult in society, I have no use for imaginary numbers or the Pythagorean theorem. I’ve never needed to determine the height of a flagpole by measuring its shadow and the angle of the sun.

Only 22 percent of the nation’s workers use any math more advanced than fractions, and they typically occupy technical or skilled positions. That means more than three-fourths of the population spends painful years in school futzing with numbers when they could be learning something more useful.

I’m talking about applied logic. This branch of philosophy grows from the same mental tree as algebra and geometry but lacks the distracting foliage of numbers and formulas. Call it the art of thinking clearly. We need this urgently in this era of disinformation, in which politicians and media personalities play on our emotions and fears.

Logic teaches us how to trace a claim back to its underlying premises and to test each link in a chain of thought for unsupported assumptions or fallacies. People trained in logic are better able to spot the deceptions and misdirection that politicians so often employ. They also have a better appreciation for different points of view because they understand the thought processes that produce multiple legitimate conclusions concerning the same set of facts. They are comfortable with spirited dialogue about what’s best for our society.

I once asked my pre-calculus teacher whether I would ever use the information she taught in real life. Her answer was surprisingly frank: I probably wouldn’t. The reason to take the class was to score well on the advanced placement test, which would give me a leg up on the math requirements in college. In other words, numbers for the sake of numbers.

Math advocates claim to be teaching complex problem solving, mental discipline and a better understanding of our world. Logic teaches the same things more directly. Geometry can’t teach me when an argument is manipulating my emotions, but logic can. Calculus doesn’t help me solve moral dilemmas, but philosophy does.

Admittedly, all students need to master the basic math of everyday life so they can manage money, compare prices, find the center of a wall to hang a picture and so on. And some students, like my brother, will fall in love with math. That’s a good thing, because they will use it to make bridges safe, to predict the weather, to land spacecraft on the moon and Mars — you get the idea.

It’s reasonable to suggest that public schools all provide a standardized core curriculum. But what makes up a fundamental education? America has not thought through this question in a national conversation since the 1983 release of “A Nation At Risk.” The product of a presidential commission on education, this report warned of declining achievement in the country’s schools and diagnosed “the urgent need for improvement.” Among its recommendations were a minimum of three years of math for all high school graduates.

Since that time, the digital revolution has placed massive computational power in the palm of every student’s hand. Should the need for a cube root arise in someone’ life, Siri is available 24/7 to provide the answer. That same revolution has given us a crisis of conspiracy theories and a polluted public discourse. What’s at risk now is our ability to reason together as citizens. Skills such as these might not be able to solve for X, but they could go a long way in the pursuit of happiness and the health of America. You can’t punch those things into a calculator.

The need to solve problems is eternal, but many of life’s weightiest problems don’t boil down to numbers. Prioritizing higher-level numeracy over other forms of logical reasoning is not turning us into a nation of engineers and physicists. It’s letting us become a nation that can’t think straight.

America’s Founders knew it would take educated citizens for this democratic republic to succeed. But nowhere did they mention the quadratic formula.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/06/end-useless-math-requirements/ (Archive)
 
Math education is extremely dysfunctional in the US. We went from the extreme of overemphasizing highly specialized math, to New Math, to whatever the fuck this new agenda is. Arithmetic, Geometry, and basic Algebra are the most relevant and most accessible for the broad swath of the population. Leave calc and trig for the nerds who like it. Also, schools need greater emphasis on applied math in terms of business and finance.
 
Anyone who thinks math is a useless skill lives a useless life. Such a shame, I wager they'll stop encouraging students from joining STEM programs and stop teaching the scientific method next. I'm constantly amazed how principles I learned in physics, chemistry, and math pop up and show their usefulness in my life.
To be fair, we should stop encouraging people to join STEM, specially women. The current problem of STEM is that it's full of midwits who can't do maths so they rather talk about how maths are racist.

Anybody can memorize a few formulas and apply it to certain models, but once things get more complicated, they go blank. That's something I've seen people involved in stem careers complaining: doctors, engineers, programmers, etc can't do their job because they don't know how. Competence crisis is the result of morons being told they can do college and specially women wanting to larp as scientists.

Personally, I'm all for IQ tests being mandatory to be accepted in college.
 
To be fair, we should stop encouraging people to join STEM, specially women. The current problem of STEM is that it's full of midwits who can't do maths so they rather talk about how maths are racist.
I think we are headed to the same destination but have different routes. I agree and have noticed this phenomenon outside of STEM fields as well. However, I disagree with the restriction based on Gender; funny as it is. I think it is more of an issue of hiring or awarding paths of higher education not based on ability and accomplishment, nothing more. I think everyone should have a universal right to higher education, but it isn't something that is a necessity. Heck, I'd wager we'd have a lot more blue collar leftists if universities simply said, "no".
It is useful in itself to learn mathematics, but the requirement is mostly there to filter out dumb people. There are many places in society, where it would be considered too intensitive to have an explicit IQ-requirement, so math is used as a fairly decent proxy.
I used to think this until I got charged for a high school level algebra class as a requirement for my degree. 2 thousand dollars to re-learn the quadratic formula. I'd wager it is there to filter out the sensible folks and leave behind good debt pigs to wallow in muck. College systems in America are for one thing and one thing only, making money often making money based on Tax Payer dollars.
 
This shit is utter insanity and i will never not suspect that it is wholly woke identity politics based.
Being from WaPo is pretty much the least surprising part of this whole insane article/argument.
 
Former Teacher, specifically for Math.

The goal is to create a permanent underclass. No recourse, ability to fight back, argue for parity, and ultimately be unable to compete against their betters.

Majority of the times parents are not involved and push some veneer of anti-intellectualism onto their kids, kids repeat, peers see that and teachers have an uphill battle against stupidity. Parents parrot the exact same shit "When will they ever need this?" "My child is going to be working with his hands." Sad but true, your kid will be making my sandwich if it's not automated by then.

If you have kids or are going to have kids, don't worry they'll wipe the floor with the failures coming out today even having a middling parenting style. But, I fear for how a large swath of Americans are outclassed by the wider world from an educational standpoint.
 
As a certified retard I mean stemlord there's a surprising amount of math involved in doing anything with your hands.
leave trig for the nerds who like it.
I hated learning trig, but I use it on regular basis in my very much not stem job. Anyone that builds things needs to at least know how to correctly put it in a calculator. Trig based calculus can fuck off.
 
Math really isn't needed for the vast majority of the jobs in the country.
10% of the jobs that need the math, don't actually do anything besides sit around making shit up. I'm looking at you astro-nerds who have PHDs in shit they can't prove.

So yeah, I feel that basic math up to algebra 1 or 3 should be mandatory, anything higher is elective and should be mandatory for advancements in fields that require them.
 
Granted, but you do need to be able to track your incoming/outgoing money. Balancing a checkbook was just my slang way of saying that.

Also, fuck off Ashley. Lots of people use checkbooks. They're called business owners, you uber eats-driving loser.
 
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