Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama

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RiceofSkywalker said:
I mean, they did that in the manga with Granolah and the Cerealians. It's just that, like with nearly all Super arcs (imo), they started off with a good concept that gets all derailed and crazy around the middle of the arc, culminating with an underwhelming ending coming out of the left field that has nothing to do with the premise.
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I know nothing of the Super manga and with the names of characters and their designs, I never will.

I thought the Goku Black arc was a great idea but it's ending is so tone deaf and moronic. All the bullshit of defending Trunks' timeline, just for it to be erased.
 
Wesker said:
I thought the Goku Black arc was a great idea but it's ending is so tone deaf and moronic. All the bullshit of defending Trunks' timeline, just for it to be erased.
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Yeah, pretty much. Whereas in Z the arc would end with a variation of "punch him even harder" (new transformation/bigger Kamehameha/bigger Spirit Bomb), in Super it's weird shit like "Zeno wipes him out/Frieza wipes him out but he's BLACK/Goku wipes him out but he gets Susano'o like in Naruto).

It's like the creators get bored with the great premise halfway through the arc and want to end it fast 'cause mom just called them for dinner.

Yes, I'm salty that Moro being a magic user ended up not counting for shit.
 
RiceofSkywalker said:
Yeah, pretty much. Whereas in Z the arc would end with a variation of "punch him even harder" (new transformation/bigger Kamehameha/bigger Spirit Bomb), in Super it's weird shit like "Zeno wipes him out/Frieza wipes him out but he's BLACK/Goku wipes him out but he gets Susano'o like in Naruto).

It's like the creators get bored with the great premise halfway through the arc and want to end it fast 'cause mom just called them for dinner.

Yes, I'm salty that Moro being a magic user ended up not counting for shit.
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I tried to give Super the benefit of the doubt. I dug the idea of godly powers, but then it just became the same super saiyan hair color shit all over again.

I tapped out with tournament of power. It made the Frieza's five minutes meme seem like 8 hours. The whole Jiren fight is several episodes at the very end and it's what, a couple minutes real time?

The designs in Super are awful. I'll die on the hill that GT had such unique and interesting designs that are better than everything in Super. It doesn't help their artists are dogshit.
 
Wesker said:
I tried to give Super the benefit of the doubt. I dug the idea of godly powers, but then it just became the same super saiyan hair color shit all over again.
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They had the perfect way to bring the humans back into the fray, by showing them achieving god ki and putting them on the same level as the saiyans after so long. God ki just reinforced that if you arent a saiyan, you are worthless.
 
Wesker said:
I tried to give Super the benefit of the doubt. I dug the idea of godly powers, but then it just became the same super saiyan hair color shit all over again.

I tapped out with tournament of power. It made the Frieza's five minutes meme seem like 8 hours. The whole Jiren fight is several episodes at the very end and it's what, a couple minutes real time?

The designs in Super are awful. I'll die on the hill that GT had such unique and interesting designs that are better than everything in Super. It doesn't help their artists are dogshit.
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The biggest missed opportunity for me was not getting a close look at what the gods of Dragon Ball actually do. Beerus states that his murderous nature and complete lack of regard for life is "necessary for creation," but we only have his word. All the gods seem to hate one another, why? Do the Supreme Kais do anything beside sitting around all day?

Now that Goku is regularly rubbing shoulders with gods it would have been a perfect time to explore them further, but that never happened.
 
Friendly Primarina said:
The biggest missed opportunity for me was not getting a close look at what the gods of Dragon Ball actually do. Beerus states that his murderous nature and complete lack of regard for life is "necessary for creation," but we only have his word. All the gods seem to hate one another, why? Do the Supreme Kais do anything beside sitting around all day?

Now that Goku is regularly rubbing shoulders with gods it would have been a perfect time to explore them further, but that never happened.
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It all goes back to BOG. It was a great way in theory to continue the series, but given where it went, the Gods should've been kept at arms length.

Even the Z gods and their cohorts really weren't shown to really do anything besides King Yemma judging the dead and Kami watching over the Earth.

But when you make a new series that's entirely dedicated to the upper management of the universes, all they're portrayed being is being sitting around eating food and being irritated with one another during the TOP.
 
Does she not have an understudy/replacement in line for the Sons when she dies? They managed to find another Bulma, and I think there's an understudy for Krillin (the voice-actress is also Luffy, they definitely have an understudy set aside for the character in the event of her untimely passing). Unless she has a buttload of unused audio in the archives, an AI replacement is not going to fly over there in Japan.
 
Japan is really weird with their VAs. Entire series have been cancelled because a major voice actor died. Not ones as big as Dragon Ball, but still. They'll mute minor characters, give others very small roles if it can't be avoided, or that weird thing with Igor in Persona 5 (I think). No way are they ever gonna use A.I. there in our lifetime.
 
I'll never get over how it was considered dumb and cringe to make Super Saiyan forms that were basically different colored hairdos back fifteen years ago. Now we're literally just getting those in canon and the fanbase just eats it up. Just how many colors can a Saiyan's hair become at this point? Gold, red, blue, purple, silver, green and even pink if you want to count Super Saiyan Rosé.
 
Lone Star said:
Just how many colors can a Saiyan's hair become at this point?
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Yes.

Listening to Toriyama do interviews about Super he clearly doesn't give a fuck, is signing off on shit for a paycheck, and would like Toyotaro to do the heavy creative lifting.

I think he's said something along the lines of what color haven't we used yet when talking about Gohan Beast.
 
The handsome tard said:
They had the perfect way to bring the humans back into the fray, by showing them achieving god ki and putting them on the same level as the saiyans after so long. God ki just reinforced that if you arent a saiyan, you are worthless.
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Well, they gave Piccolo a boost. A big one too, he was the strongest hero character for a moment until Gohan transformed. Kinda reminds me of when he othe fusee with Nail and then Kami to get ahead of everyone briefly.

It's the humans who have been rendered close to worthless, they need huge boosts. Just have Elder Kai boost them and have them all learn Kaioken, that should be enough to make them useful.
 
Fluoxetine Man said:
Don't they already know Kaioken after training with King Kai?
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If they ever learned it then it was never mentioned to my knowledge, at least not in the old Z dubs (manga might be different).

They'd also have to be always using it without it ever being shown, which has happened once with Goku (he was using it against Frieza and we as the audience didn't know initially).
 
SSj_Ness said:
If they ever learned it then it was never mentioned to my knowledge, at least not in the old Z dubs (manga might be different).

They'd also have to be always using it without it ever being shown, which has happened once with Goku (he was using it against Frieza and we as the audience didn't know initially).
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In chapter 66 of the DBZ manga, King Kai said that Tien, Yamcha Chaozu and Piccolo did training more intense that what Goku did, but doesn't say they can do Kaioken.

The next chapter gives us this funny joke though.
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SSj_Ness said:
Is anybody else expecting a Dragon Ball GT-esque early cancellation for this?

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What the hell are Toei thinking? Even GT fans hate kid Goku, at least this is only a short web series. Why not do something interesting with a web series, like explore what happened to Future Trunks and Mai when they returned to the past-future where everything wasn't destroyed. Did they simply deal with the their past selves, did some-kinda fusion? Or maybe Future-Future Trunks thinks its too much, and becomes a Time Patroller? If they have to do a prequel, why not do a proper Jaco the Galactic Patrolman adaptation?

Also, here's a little video on the infamous Perfect Cell Remix that's been on the net for 20 years.
Maybe someone remembers where it first popped up? (I downloaded it years ago on Kazzar).
 
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Fluoxetine Man said:
What the hell are Toei thinking? Even GT fans hate kid Goku, at least this is only a short web series. Why not do something interesting with a web series, like explore what happened to Future Trunks and Mai when they returned to the past-future where everything wasn't destroyed. Did they simply deal with the their past selves, did some-kinda fusion? Or maybe Future-Future Trunks thinks its too much, and becomes a Time Patroller? If they have to do a prequel, why not do a proper Jaco the Galactic Patrolman adaptation?

Also, here's a little video on the infamous Perfect Cell Remix that's been on the net for 20 years.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=c5ea6PA-rrkMaybe someone remembers were it first popped up? (I downloaded it years ago on Kazzar).
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I agree, these kinds of side-stories should not focus on Goku or Vegeta. Trunks would be a good one, he's a popular enough character to carry a show on his own.

As a human simp though I really want to see Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, and Roshi...do shit. But maybe the executives don't think they're interesting enough.
 
SSj_Ness said:
I agree, these kinds of side-stories should not focus on Goku or Vegeta. Trunks would be a good one, he's a popular enough character to carry a show on his own.

As a human simp though I really want to see Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, and Roshi...do shit. But maybe the executives don't think they're interesting enough.
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Trunks hasn't had his time in the solo spotlight since... History of Trunks? Gohan and Piccolo could carry their own movie, and even Yamcha had his own one-shot manga as a sports celebrity, so it's not like current fans don't enjoy the SoL elements with supporting characters.
 
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