Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Ravana]

Rate me fake and gay, but I don’t know how to archive. However, there’s a troon in the dragon age subreddit that said he cried when he played the tranny story. Just because he “felt let down and disrespected by BioWare.”

I’m reading through it and it’s tragic seeing these idiots coming to terms with gay/trans/nonbinary/whatever writers are still as shit as normal people

 

[woduqu]

I think what's more retarded about the whole "pulling a Barve" is not even the premise. Sure, someone doing stupid shit over misgingering and hurting someone's feelings, whatever.

But why not say "I'm doing pushups"? Pulling a Barve sounds so unnatural and cringy it makes me sad to have heard these words said together. Imagine if dragon ball characters called the kamehameha "pulling a master roshi" or going super saiyan "pulling a goku", or we called getting your ass kicked "pulling a Ralphamale"

Also, 10 pushups to sweat? Whoever wrote this has never done a single pushup in their life. Even if you're severely out of shape, at worst you just can't do the 10 pushups, but there won't be a single drop of sweat on you. Aren't these people supposed to be super fit and strong, shouldn't they do more pushups to actually suffer in some way to actually be consistent?

I think they could have spinned this idea into something okay, at its core it's trying to be a sort of "sharing the suffering" or something, but maybe in a fantasy world with magic it should be related to someone getting cursed because of him, and Barve could have figured out a way to transfer the curse or at least some of it. That way it's not just for saying some wrong words, but for an actual harm, and you're actually sharing the suffering not just the equivalent of taking a few steps.

Yeah it sounds retarded, but it's definitely more interesting than this shit. I'm not a writer at all, I suck at stringing words together as you can see, but imagine if an actual fantasy writer took a shot at it instead of whatever the fuck happened here.

Somehow every single aspect of this is extremely retarded. You have:

- Tash not even noticing that's she's been 'misgendered' and still having no reaction when it's pointed out.

- Bellara being the one to notice but being too scared (??) to say what it is and just stuttering.

- Isabela deciding to self-flagellate even when Tash apparently couldn't care less.

- Tash vacantly saying "Oh" when Isabela says what she's doing because she's still incapable of reacting or feeling, and also that she says that while having no clue what "pulling a Bharv" is in the first place.

- Isabela thinking that push-ups/"sweating" is necessary to atone for a completely unintentional and harmless 'offense'.

- Isabela claiming that literally no form of spoken apology on earth is valid because people might not mean what they say if it's short or need consoling themselves if it's long. This isn't limited to misgendering. All verbal apologies are invalid on this logic.

- The obvious fallacy that because some verbal apology might be insincere that therefore all verbal apologies, categorically, become insincere.

- Bharv came up with this system because "there's not always time" to apologize, implying that the use case is being in the middle of urgent situations and yet they'd opt to waste time doing push-ups. Also, Bharv himself clearly did believe in verbally apologizing when there was time for it.

- Ignoring that non-verbal 'apologies' are just as prone to being insincere. More likely if anything, since, you know, you're just doing pushups and not articulating what you did wrong, why you did it, or how you're going to avoid it in the future.

- In spite of all this, Isabela apologizes verbally before grandstanding anyways.

- Isabela spending 5 minutes making herself the center of attention while condemning doing that and speaking on behalf of the 'victim' to decide exactly what she needs and how she needs it to feel better.

- "Pulling a quick 10 to put it right" "they made the mess, they fix it" etc. when pushups don't fix anything, whether it's Bharv's plans going awry or 'misgendering'.

-The real world implication from the woke script writer that, since verbal apologies suck, people generally in society should be doing pushups whenever they offend someone. Remember that Tweet where some socialist LARPer who said his side should be working out and all the replies called him abelist?

- Tash still having zero fucking reaction after 5 minutes of this shit. Not "It's okay, I forgive you" or "No, really, that's not necessary" or anything else of substance. Just "Oh, thanks".

- I haven't played this trash, but presumably this concept literally never appears again the whole game? People in your squad aren't doing push ups left and right, or are they?

 

[Divine right to rule]

Well, i completed Iron Bull's quest and let die his team with Krem (fucking troon piece of shit, i'm glad she died; her tone is so forced and seeing her made my head hurts).

The super special educational episodes about LGBT was one of the worst things about Inquisition.
Instead of making THE MESSAGE a bit more subtle in the sequel, they doubled down.

As much as the they/them is a new lowpoint for Bioware, let's not forget how you have a quest in Inquisition where your flaming gay party member needs you to come hold his hand for a meeting with his father who was disappointed because his fag son refused to continue the family line, with the usual social reject dialogue "you only cared about your legacy, not about meeee"

 

[Mola Ram]

The super special educational episodes about LGBT was one of the worst things about Inquisition.
Instead of making THE MESSAGE a bit more subtle in the sequel, they doubled down.

As much as the they/them is a new lowpoint for Bioware, let's not forget how you have a quest in Inquisition where your flaming gay party member needs you to come hold his hand for a meeting with his father who was disappointed because his fag son refused to continue the family line, with the usual social reject dialogue "you only cared about your legacy, not about meeee"

The funny thing is that while Dorian's personal quest is cringe-inducing and cliche, Dorian himself is one of the better companions in Inquisition, well written outside of his family angst -- a positive Tevinter viewpoint was a novelty for the series, and something that was needed -- and very well acted. For all the dreadfulness of his personal quest, there's real pathos in his delivery of his lines about his father afterward, and his genuine sense of betrayal at his father's willingness to use blood magic to "change" him.

Taash, meanwhile, from every clip we've seen, is terribly acted, terribly written, and utterly consumed by her personal quest and issues relating to her sexual identity. This is easily the worst slate of companions we've seen in probably any BioWare game, and Taash seems to be the worst of them by a wide margin.

 

[Ishtar]

solas is now a servant of mythal? i guess she wanted him to kill her and suck up her soul in inquisition...

He was betraying her, she just knew it was going to happen.

Apparently.

Solas throwing a fit over the well of sorrows choice, does make a bit more sense if he had been bound to Mythal's service.

 

[Firemalzahn]

I’m reading through it and it’s tragic seeing these idiots coming to terms with gay/trans/nonbinary/whatever writers are still as shit as normal people

I’m not a dark fantasy rpg guy. But again recently downloaded Witcher 3 and dragon age inquisition. Got told by friends I’d like them because I’m a fucking gow and Hogwarts legacy shill/fanboy. So I was also intrigued by this, but holy fuck this has completely turned me off

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Lucianis' voice actor is....uhh......lol. American Rook is the French dude from Persona 3 Reload too.

So Flemeth is really dead? And barely acknowledged. Ugh. What about like...Alistair and Leliana?

How are the cities? I know Bioware isn't known really for sprawling cities and such but are they at least like......detailed? Minrathus, Tevinter (wait that's the country?), shame you can't go to Antiva. How many towns are in the game?

Also unrelated but I was replaying Jade Empire. I miss that ascetic. Wish it was remastered for not just Xbox but PlayStation. There is no way that that world can exist with both DA and ME. Would be interesting but probably a mess.

 

[DavidS877]

How are the cities? I know Bioware isn't known really for sprawling cities and such but are they at least like......detailed? Minrathus, Tevinter (wait that's the country?), shame you can't go to Antiva. How many towns are in the game?

There are no cities. There are linear quest focused parts of cities. Which oddly have a ton of balance beams and zip lines.

You can do a little exploration but they don't really give a city 'feel'.

 

[Divine right to rule]

I am normally not very strict with romantic dialogue in games because it sucks most times, but goddamn the "flirt" options seem to have been written by turbovirgins who never flirted in their life.

It is always some awkward shit that in the next sentence lampshades the awkwardness in ironic millenial fashion.

 

[Hermiöne Granger]

the peak for troonguard on steam charts are now at 89,216

 

[woduqu]

the peak for troonguard on steam charts are now at 89,216

I had assumed that Saturdays would be peak play time, but someone had said it's Sundays and that's apparently correct. Though, it's not a lot higher than yesterday, and the apex on Steam charts is 20:00-21:00 UTC (about this time) for each day , so it probably won't get a lot higher. I doubt it'll hit 100k.

Edit: Out of curiosity, I looked at another game Dota 2, and it had an apex of 15:00 UTC. Warthunder has the same situation. I wonder if the reason for the difference is that Veilguard is basically only being played in America.

 

[Third World Aristocrat]

the peak for troonguard on steam charts are now at 89,216

Steamdb

I liked this cope:

Link | Archive

"Not every game needs to make ALL the money. Some of the money is pretty good too."

 

[Terror Sandwich]

I had assumed that Saturdays would be peak play time, but someone had said it's Sundays and that's apparently correct. Though, it's not a lot higher than yesterday, and the apex on Steam charts is 20:00-21:00 UTC (about this time) for each day , so it probably won't get a lot higher. I doubt it'll hit 100k.

The peak playerbase grew by around 10-15% each day.
70k->77k->89k

If it keeps growing at this rate it will reach Starfield's peak in around 13 days! lol

 

[Finger Pistols]

Bellara is Quirky.mp4

Bellara is the quirky and annoyingly cheerful character.
When I watched this, I was thinking: Game, please take your story with some seriousness. If you can't, I won't.

This, along with the other terrible clips, have the scent of the new people that play Dungeons & Dragons all over them. You know, the people that aren't interested in playing inside a medieval fantasy world and explore another world with its magic, adventures, politics, wars, gods, etc. They have no interest in taking the setting or adventure seriously. They are interested in playing a power fantasy where they are the medieval Guardians of the Galaxy or a Marvel hero. The Marvel cinematic universe and it's consequences have been a disaster for the Tabletop RPG enjoyers race.

 

[Übertroon]

So is there any redeeming moments in this game? Because even though Inquisition had its proto woke moments, it also provided a authentic fantasy experience and took itself serious

 

[ChadBrazilian]

LMAO. I am watching Mauler's stream right and the boss bugged out. It can not outsmart the stairs.

 

[Snekposter]

Because DAO was written to be entertainment, not as a piece of self-fellating LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ+++ propaganda, and so that retarded concept didn't exist until Inquisition released in CURRENT YEAR (circa 2015).

Aside from the HoF, Sten is the character that seems the least likely to ever appear again. He's just too antithetical to everything modern Bioware stands for. (Coincidentally, Sten continues to be the best character in this entire decaying franchise.)

I see my obvious sarcasm about BioWare's retcon flew over your head.

 

[Weltraumfürst]

"Not every game needs to make ALL the money. Some of the money is pretty good too."

I fully agree, but tell that to the shareholders.

 

[Asian tech support]

If it keeps growing at this rate it will reach Starfield's peak in around 13 days! lol

To invoke Starfield one last time, based on some of the rough math that was done in the Starfield thread and a handful of ballpark guesses about development cost, it was figured that Starfield broke even, maybe even making a bit of money. By no means a smashing success MS wanted it to be but not bad enough to shutter the studio. Starfield spent ~7 years in development and Bethesda ballooned up just over 400 employees during its development, with help from another ~150 people from other studios. Bioware is at least twice the size of Bethesda and Failguard spent even more time in the oven than Starfield. There's not a doubt in my mind that Veilguard cost even more to develop than Starfield. If Starfield was breaking even, where does that put Veilguard? It'll likely take a while to piece together this story but I don't see how it can be billed as a success using any metric.

 

[SmokelessFire]

I am normally not very strict with romantic dialogue in games because it sucks most times, but goddamn the "flirt" options seem to have been written by turbovirgins who never flirted in their life.

It is always some awkward shit that in the next sentence lampshades the awkwardness in ironic millenial fashion.

The only place troons flirt is on the internet, constantly and with each other. Mix that with the lack of self and autism and you get the Tash-Rook rape scene