Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 170 9.4%

  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 393 21.8%

  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 377 20.9%

  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 862 47.8%
  • Total voters
    1,803
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Gamlen's (another character modern Bioware would shriek at) reaction really sells it. I do love the entire build up of that storyline, but I hate how, without the Legacy DLC, your mother and her death is basically never mentioned again, even when you find proof that Orseno was funding the guy responsible.
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Gamlen genuinely got a bad deal. His parents loved Leandra and didn’t really love him at all. Yet the jewel of the family ran off with an apostate to a backwater and left her parents humiliated.

Somehow they still gave everything to Leandra. He’s lecherous and irresponsible but his life is genuinely shit.

I like the side quest in Act 3 when you can introduce him to his bastard daughter. He deserves a little happiness in an otherwise grim life.

The Orsino business is odd, the fact Quentin was sending him notes is mentioned if you side with the Templars, but not in the mage ending(which most people choose). It feels like they both cut content somewhere and they kept the two boss fights so you end up fighting Orsino anyway, whether or not you have reason too.
 
Ishtar said:
The Orsino business is odd, the fact Quentin was sending him notes is mentioned if you side with the Templars, but not in the mage ending(which most people choose). It feels like they both cut content somewhere and they kept the two boss fights so you end up fighting Orsino anyway, whether or not you have reason too.
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I'm pretty sure the intention was to have a different endboss depending on who you sided with, but in the interests of filling out game time they just throw them both at you.
 
Ishtar said:
Gamlen genuinely got a bad deal. His parents loved Leandra and didn’t really love him at all. Yet the jewel of the family ran off with an apostate to a backwater and left her parents humiliated.
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It's even worse if you get to the end of Legacy with your sibling not present, Gamlen shares how he was the one who primarily helped Leandra sneak out and go behind their parents' back to have her relationship with Malcom. And he's still the one who gets fucked over, saddled with taking care of the parents who practically spit in his face even from beyond the grave.

Dude's a perverted ass, but at the end of the day he was still willing to house three extra people and a dog in his tiny, broke ass hovel because he still loved his family.
Ishtar said:
The Orsino business is odd, the fact Quentin was sending him notes is mentioned if you side with the Templars, but not in the mage ending(which most people choose). It feels like they both cut content somewhere and they kept the two boss fights so you end up fighting Orsino anyway, whether or not you have reason too.
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The devs themselves stated that Orsino was never meant to be the Mage Ending's boss, but for one reason or another, I'm assuming a higher ups' mandate, they needed the Mage ending to have two bosses and thus just reused Orsino's.
Ishtar said:
I like the side quest in Act 3 when you can introduce him to his bastard daughter. He deserves a little happiness in an otherwise grim life.
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I like that small moment when, after finding out about Leandra's death, he tells Hawke that he'll break the news to their sibling, knowing that Hawke's already in enough pain. It harkens back to one of Hawke's possible spats with Carver where they rant about how they carry every death with them and how much it weighs on them.
 
DagothUr said:
Does anyone know when the red lyrium stuff being just darkspawn lyrium was revealed? I never really understood that because the Primeval Thaig is said to be not only pre-blights but pre-memories as well. And it's meant to be completely untouched when you get there in DA2, so that also makes it a bit odd as to why the taint would've infected the lyrium there.
Has there even been a good explanation for the thaig since DA2 released?
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I think the implication is that the taint predates the darkspawn, or at the very least the Blights. Now obviously the Chantry's story is still somewhat true since Corypheus and the Magisters did use mass human sacrifice to access the Golden City and were tainted as a result, but it seems either the city was already tainted before they showed up (and thus the whole thing might have nothing to do with the Maker) or they weren't the first dudes the Maker tainted.
 
Corypheus' first big reveal in DA2 Legacy is the golden city was already corrupted when the magisters arrived. Which should demonstrate the Chantry's claim about it being punishment by the Maker is false, or at least an oversimplification.

Its possible it'll be tied into the Evanuris somehow, maybe the golden city was the "true" Arlathan. IDK I wouldn't like them tying everything to the elves this way.

The implication I got was the taint or Blight is a sort of magical disease or metaphysical rot that Andruil-one of the elven gods brought back from the Void.

That is the elven gods found the taint, they did not create it.

That would imply to me, the elven gods were either tainted by the blight or at severe risk of unleashing it, hence Solas fearing they'd destroy the world.
 
Ishtar said:
Corypheus' first big reveal in DA2 Legacy is the golden city was already corrupted when the magisters arrived. Which should demonstrate the Chantry's claim about it being punishment by the Maker is false, or at least an oversimplification.

Its possible it'll be tied into the Evanuris somehow, maybe the golden city was the "true" Arlathan. IDK I wouldn't like them tying everything to the elves this way.

The implication I got was the taint or Blight is a sort of magical disease or metaphysical rot that Andruil-one of the elven gods brought back from the Void.

That is the elven gods found the taint, they did not create it.

That would imply to me, the elven gods were either tainted by the blight or at severe risk of unleashing it, hence Solas fearing they'd destroy the world.
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This is backed up by the fact that Solas knows something about the Blight, something very bad. His disdain for the Grey Wardens clearly stems from that: they don't know what they're dealing with or what they might unleash.

I wish it was still fun to speculate about this stuff rather than dreading how bad or nonexistent the reveals in Veilguard will turn out to be.
 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Gamlen's (another character modern Bioware would shriek at) reaction really sells it. I do love the entire build up of that storyline, but I hate how, without the Legacy DLC, your mother and her death is basically never mentioned again, even when you find proof that Orseno was funding the guy responsible.
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Fun fact: Leandra and the brothel madam are voiced by Deborah Moore, daughter of the late Roger Moore, 007 himself lol.
 
Ishtar said:
Corypheus' first big reveal in DA2 Legacy is the golden city was already corrupted when the magisters arrived. Which should demonstrate the Chantry's claim about it being punishment by the Maker is false, or at least an oversimplification.

Its possible it'll be tied into the Evanuris somehow, maybe the golden city was the "true" Arlathan. IDK I wouldn't like them tying everything to the elves this way.

The implication I got was the taint or Blight is a sort of magical disease or metaphysical rot that Andruil-one of the elven gods brought back from the Void.

That is the elven gods found the taint, they did not create it.

That would imply to me, the elven gods were either tainted by the blight or at severe risk of unleashing it, hence Solas fearing they'd destroy the world.
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As shit as Nigguard is going to be, I hope that at the very least, they give some acceptable answers to all the bullshit loose ends. SURELY they cannot fuck that up and retcon it into a story about transitioning or racism right?
 
DagothUr said:
As shit as Nigguard is going to be, I hope that at the very least, they give some acceptable answers to all the bullshit loose ends. SURELY they cannot fuck that up and retcon it into a story about transitioning or racism right?
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I have popcorn ready, I just want to find out whether it would be worse than Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem. Is crowbcat still around?
 
Kind of reminds me of the Saints Row reboot of all things with the overuse of purple and how goofy and cartoony everything looks.
 
The color scheme reflects the appearance and fashion sensibilities of the special people making the game.
 
Tell me your game is designed for Game Journalists, without actually saying it’s designed for Game Journalists.
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…Ok yeah that’d do it. Jesus Christ, this industry needs to die in a fire…
 
To be fair, some classes are so broken in Dragon Age Origins that the highest difficulty is still a cake walk: rogue archer with Lethality and all their stats dumped in cunning, Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage is all but unkillable and is a better tank than a tank warrior (who needs taunt when you can mass paralyze and heal, plus you are not hampered by limited stamina pool), and the mage class in general with all the right cc skills.

The only dud is the mage Shapeshifter specialization, as the damage is underwhelming and some of the animal forms are very situational. But I know there are people that like the challenge of making it work.

Things get even more crazy with Awakening when everything is cranked up to an insane degree of power creep.

That's why I like that game. Sure, combat is arthritic and slow, and the default mage animation and outfits were fug, but there is plenty of room to try new combinations of skills and builds.

Dragon Age 2 still offers some flexible customization, although some skillsets are clearly better than there's no point taking anything else - Vanguard is basically a must for DPS warriors, for example, but I have fun with it. Varric with the Scoundrel skillset is pretty fun and Anders's Vengeance is actually far more powerful than most people think if they played him without relying on tactics. Sadly, a tank Hawke will never be as good as Aveline.

Dragon Age Inquisition is just ugh because it has no tactics and everything about combat feels even more watered down from the second game.
 
BlankSpaceBaby said:
some classes are so broken in Dragon Age Origins that the highest difficulty is still a cake walk
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I think this is fine tbh. The game gets easier as you progress and your build starts coming together, like your character getting stronger, which is how RPGs should feel IMO.
Even so, there are still challenging fights late game (depending on how you play and your party setup).

Really the early game is where the difficulty really is on Nightmare. I did a playthrough with no health poultices some time ago and the hardest part of the game was up until I got Wynne and enough levels to get all the broken healing spells an talents, then it becomes far easier. Although most fights weren't completely trivial.

It might be different with some of the schizo meta builds, like auto-crit archers, 100% dodge chance gear, arcane warrior, etc.

BlankSpaceBaby said:
Dragon Age Inquisition is just ugh because it has no tactics and everything about combat feels even more watered down from the second game.
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It also controls like absolute shite and the companion AI is so useless and retarded that if they aren't always following an order you gave them they will find a way to fuck everything up.
 
DagothUr said:
Really the early game is where the difficulty really is on Nightmare.
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I did what I nearly always do with DA:O which is get the game and then whack the difficulty up as high as it will go. It's a long time ago that I played it but I remember coming across that ogre in the tower and running around kiting it for ages and micro-managing my characters to survive the battle. Probably far easier than I remember it being but I'd just got the game and this was near the start.

I'm vaguely tempted to give it another play-through but I'm hoping they'll do a re-release with updated graphics (rainbows, I know!)
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
Tell me your game is designed for Game Journalists, without actually saying it’s designed for Game Journalists.
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…Ok yeah that’d do it. Jesus Christ, this industry needs to die in a fire…
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The gamejournos and also their fujoshi audience who just want to skip the combat so they could get back to the visual novel part of the game that leads to the sex scenes.
 
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