Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[DespotCTM]

I don't know why Fiona even exists, unless Gaider wants Maric to be his self-insert to bang all the knife-ear pussies in Thedas. Fiona breaks a number of large established laws about the Calling, mages, etc so by that definition she is a Mary Sue.

If I weren't such a sucker for spending with Dorian I would have recruited the Templars so that I will have the pleasure of destroying her in battle.

Wasn't it Maric's special babybatter that cured her of the taint or something?

Fiona's biggest problem isn't that she is an ex warden or Alistair's mother, it's that she's Orlesian!

 

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if goblina sera returns for veilguard. pls, bioware. let me deck this dyke

 

[kokokrunch123]

Even the Grey Wardens who were essentially amoral hesitated to use it

hesitated to use it in origins, i guess.
in that warden's keep expansion, the wardens were aight with trying to mix their darkspawn joining thingy + blood magic. tragedy then ensues, lel.

Now though one of the party members is a blood mage/necromancer just walking around shooting void bolts out of his butthole and nobody cares

if that edgelord was doing all that in tevinter, i doubt the vints would care, hehe. if bioware sticks with the OG canon that blood/ human sacrifices were a-ok in the imperium

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

Wasn't it Maric's special babybatter that cured her of the taint or something?

Fiona's biggest problem isn't that she is an ex warden or Alistair's mother, it's that she's Orlesian!

I can't remember or care to, honestly, because those Dragon Age novels are pretty bad on the whole. Gaider wasn't a polished author by any means when those books were written and most of the main characters were screechy, one note, annoying, and tend to switch personalities for plot reasons.

The only one that I like, and I happen to like it a lot, is Liane Marcel's Last Flight. That is the only one that succeeds in delivering pathos, poignancy, and feels.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

This is unfortunately something that happens when a franchise or IP jumps from writer to writer or team of writers. They rearrange good and evil teams and characters at a whim out of their own personal preferences. Things like the Warcraft franchise are dominated by bizarre redemption arcs of villains that neutralize all evil characters into heroes. Starcraft and Diablo as well so it seems to be a Blizzard staple. They take their favorite characters or factions and turn them into the protagonists or heroes despite it contradicting longstanding lore.

The adaptations of ASOIAF for Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon are the same as well. Take away all agency from the characters so that none of them can make any choices. Because it removes the possibility of them making evil or 'wrong' choices that might make the audience root against them. Which might hurt t-shirt or funkopop sales. They want the audience identifying with every character.

It's now at the point where practically every 'bad' archetype or faction like orcs or blood mages are now good guys in nearly every fantasy property. Good vampires and good demons and heroic monsters. And not done in a Terminator 2 way where it works out well. Or Darth Vader being redeemed. This is just more spiteful lore destruction and art defacing by losers.

It's not as much as a whim as a decade spanning "fuck you dad" by the female/tranny writers. As long as a villain faction is not outright fascistic/racist, it will eventually be revealed to be the real good (while being populated entirely by PoC). It got to the point of having purely evil demons or purely good angels is nearly impossible to find.

 

[Tablet County]

DAO, sure, graphics suck and they could remaster that giant game and make that Enchantment dwarf a romance option.

You're telling me you wouldn't?

 

[Lightning]

Wonder if Troonguard will make any nods and references to Absolution, or will the whole "but somehow Meredith came back" be quietly shelved as the embarrassment it is?

 

[Mola Ram]

Wonder if Troonguard will make any nods and references to Absolution, or will the whole "but somehow Meredith came back" be quietly shelved as the embarrassment it is?

Red lyrium is probably going to play a huge role; the first teaser showed the destroyed lyrium idol coming back (and it did so in some short story); they went so far as to get Meredith's original voice actress ... I'd say the odds are pretty high she's going to be in the game.

Note, of course, with the last minute title change and all the iterations and project leads this game has been through, nothing firm can be said about the plot.

 

[Tablet County]

Red lyrium is probably going to play a huge role; the first teaser showed the destroyed lyrium idol coming back (and it did so in some short story); they went so far as to get Meredith's original voice actress ... I'd say the odds are pretty high she's going to be in the game.

Note, of course, with the last minute title change and all the iterations and project leads this game has been through, nothing firm can be said about the plot.

Man remember when Red Lyrium was relevant? I remember being excited to see some fucked up shit with the Red Lyrium in Inquisition but instead we got a retarded supervillain.
I'd do the quest that makes the Red Templars the main baddies instead of the Venatori but that quest sucks so much dick. They should've just been the main bad guy force to start with.

 

[God of Nothing]

"Akshully Dragon Age was never dark fantasy chud!"

My nigga in Christ Origins literally had an enemy that was a flesh Golem made up of the raped and violated corpses of women.

the broodmother?

 

[Tablet County]

the broodmother?

He's talking about the flesh golems from the Amgarrak dlc

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

4c helpfully reposted an interview with Andrew Busche along with a summary:

Spoiler: Article

Spoiler: Summary (bold mine)

▪Player cap at Level 50
▪Confirmed: Bellara is a mage
▪Base management returns (called "The Lighthouse" here)
▪Game Director: "Incredibly deep" RPG progression, "if I were to contrast Mass Effect vs Dragon Age, for instance, I really view Mass Effect as an ARPG. Big action, minor RPG. We're almost the total inverse of that"
▪"Enormous" skill tree web that is bespoke for each class
▪Skill tree web is a bit similar to FFX's Sphere Grid, players start in the center of it, and work outwards towards specializations they want
▪Example: Warriors can pump skill points into something more defense oriented, weapons oriented or abilities
▪Warrior Specializations: Reaper (can lifesteal, "freaky" powers), Slayer ("wield the biggest blades"), Champion (tank)
▪The origin you select at the start can net you bonuses like extra dialogue options or stat boosts (ex: Shadow Dragons deal extra damage to Venatori blood cultists)
▪Skills are unique per class, every level nets a skill point + other activities to get points
▪Where other RPGs might see players invest all their skill points to reach a specialization, the team wanted players here to reach specializations about mid-game, and "then you can really branch out"
▪Each companion has 5 core abilities, each with their own skill trees that players can customize (lower cooldowns, add additional effects, etc)
▪Elemental mechanics are very important (ice, fire, electricity, etc)
▪Each companion also has unique abilities that are tied specifically to them (Neve has ice powers for example)

Peaches' snark: This game is an ARPG and looks more like ME than any other DA game, and five core abilities per companion with everything else just "make ability better somehow" is insulting.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Easily solved with disapproval mechanics.

"Let's wipe out the Elves once and for all." (Party Disapproves -10)
"The knife-ears should be enslaved again." (Party Disapproves -5)
"You'll never be a woman." (Party Strongly Disapproves -50)

Easily fixed with a mod:

"All genocidal or transphobic answers now provide positive approval"

 

[Snekposter]

>characters will go off and romance each other
>you get to watch it
hahahahahahaha you're a literal cuck

Its going to be done terribly ham-fisted and poorly, too, not like Tali and Garrus winding up with each other at the end of ME3.

it's that she's Orlesian!

A truly unforgiveable sin. We can't have a half-Orlesian on the throne of Ferelden!

 

[Nonga Tork]

People want that shit for some reason but I can't see them putting in the effort.
If they do they'll make Alistair black with elf ears because Fiona, an absolutely ridiculous character, is apparently a poc. It was better when his mom was just a maid Maric knocked up.

looks up Fiona

How the Hell is she supposed to be anything but white?

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

I've only seen some wretched fan art of her as black or brown. In Dragon Age Inquisition she certainly looks white.

Then again, we have Asian elves now, so who knows? Elves are now just Earth humans with pointy ears.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Why a level cap?!? Fuck you. The level cap in Iniquistions had me stop playing the game, twice. I can't finish it, as autistic as it may be, knowing that my progress means nothing. Even if it's just stat boosts, give me a reason to RPG in an RPG instead of action.

 

[lukewarm coffee]

looks up Fiona

How the Hell is she supposed to be anything but white?

As far as I know it's a loud tumblr thing. Some user took descriptions of Fiona in The Calling to mean that she was "coded" as a poc, and thus Alistair was biracial. Tumblr do what tumblr do and that user's headcanon became the canon for the worst parts of the DA fandom, to the point where Bioware was accused of "whitewashing" their own characters in Inquisition.

Knowing what we do about current Bioware, any return to Origins will include darkwashed characters, a neutered Oghren, and other awful changes. Luckily, I doubt remastered DA will ever happen.

 

[Ishtar]

I saw a Tumblr post where they actually claimed Alistair, was non White. Something lighting/textures something.

When he's the most "generic white guy protagonist" trope there is in the games. Even down to the being dumb/quippy but also special.

Almost all fanart you see of characters like Hawke is blackwashing-why? Because the Tumblr fandom is mentally ill troons, and maaybe a few mixed race feminists, or IDEFK at this point.

It almost makes me suspect the problem is less the writers(as woke as they are) and more the absolute state of the fandom crossing over and affecting the liberal nerds at Bioware who are as we've established terrified of being White men surrounded by token blacks, and trannies and ultra libtard women, whether that be other Bioware/EA employees or the fans they speak too on Twitter.

Knowing what we do about current Bioware, any return to Origins will include darkwashed characters, a neutered Oghren, and other awful changes. Luckily, I doubt remastered DA will ever happen.

To be entirely fair, I dislike Oghren too. Less for the casual sexual jokes and more just because he's an eminently unpleasant character. Playing Awakening made me despise him even more. Oghren is basically the sitcom has been loser who peaked in HS and then spends his days drinking, futilely flirting with women, and using toilet humor to hide how pathetic he actually is.

I doubt the game will allow the player to enact the Final Solution to the Elvish Question in Thedas to ensure that no other knife-ear or their gods tries to destroy the world again.

I mean realistically-once it got out what Solas was trying to do, and that he had agents everywhere, there would be pogroms, like everywhere. You could never trust your elf servants, or the elves in the alienage, or that Dalish clan in the woods.

In fact, the sensible action would be "kill them all now, as opposed to waiting because he could literally bring an ocean of demons on us at any moment"

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

I find it funny that we have asian and black evles now. they just humans with pointy ears.