Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 170 9.4%

  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 393 21.8%

  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 377 20.9%

  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 862 47.8%
  • Total voters
    1,803
Ishtar said:
I mean to be fair it isn’t actually medieval Europe and magic verifiably exists. But things like gender relations have a material basis in how society is structured-that isn’t just “patriarchy good” or “patriarchy bad”.

Like throughout the dragon age games we see female warriors-this did happen historically but was always notable for being outside the norm. Issues of physical strength are ignored, as are things like-you need women to be able to continue your society.

The fact that in Thedas a woman is treated as divine/a prophet/a political ideal wouldn’t change the material factors both biologically and socially that cause real life gender divides. I mean even in Origins-you see female soldiers and then you learn about broodmothers. I’m sorry what? Any halfway realistic society in which that was a real threat(corrupted monsters stealing women and using them to mass produce more of their own in horrific rituals) would move heaven and earth to keep women off the front lines. But gender equality!

But BioWare being a liberal company with liberal priors just imagines you can have gender equality as we imagine it in the 21st century, in a feudal/mostly agricultural society.

Though to be fair it’s very rare a video game especially a fantasy one is going to be sociologically accurate about what a medieval or even pseudo medieval society would look like.

It’s ultimately a small thing and I don’t mind characters like Cassandra or Aveline, but DA is what I’d called an anti realistic idea of the medieval ages.
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The issue in feminist writing is that, like fat feminists, the writers want both to have their cake and eat it. Either women are just as capable as men so no one will give a shit of a powerful woman, or women are special and brave for subverting societal expectations.
 
Looking back to how amazing the trailers for Dragon Age Origins/2/Inquisition were you could feel some passion and heart in them but this.. this seems so passionless. When I saw a Crow was joining I thought we were getting my mvp, the light of my life Zevran back does this mean Lucianus whatever is from the crow house named Dellamorte?? I thought Crows didn't have actual last names and just used the name of their crow house

Fuckers mixed a marvel movie writing with the style of modern child entertainment were 300 things need to he happening at once or else they get bored. Comments were right, Bioware microwaved were Larian was cooking
 
Peaches the Wonder Cat said:
Real name Andrew Busche: https://www.mobygames.com/person/215580/andrew-busche/ (Archive)
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Seems about right. 41 years old and born on March 19, graduated from the University of Utah with a degree in Digital Animation. Currently resides either in Austin, Texas or with his "girlfriend" Samantha in San Francisco. He can also be seen credited as Andy Busche.


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[Old?] businesss contacts:
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801-644-7977

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Something I found while looking through Instagram - he and his "gf" were spotted at a woman's pinball club in San Fran, which is, shockingly, infested with fellow womxn.

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The troon gf in question:
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Unfortunately, Andy seems to be boring with traditionally male hobbies and mostly locked accounts. The "girlfriend", however, was married before dramatically trooning out and only posting bad selfies on the 'gram.

The they/them (ex?) wife, a cosplayer:

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Absolute tragedy.
 
Akshually all the Dragon Age trailers were full of quips and tonally different from the main game!
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To be fair, quips are present even in Dragon Age Origins, but the key word here is balance. Alistair, especially, was a quip machine, but the game also allowed his angst and vulnerabilities to surface the more you interacted with him. The humorous moments were offset by the fact that the world was fucked, and sometimes, you could only laugh because what else could you do?

This is true of Dragon Age 2 as well, and yeah, I love that game, sue me. You can play Sarcastic Hawke that quipped barely seconds after a sibling died in front of your eyes... but here's the thing. While things here were nowhere as fucked as the previous game, Hawke's world was fucked. Home gone, sibling gone, and by the end of the game, he would have lost everything, even a potential lover, and his victory is hollow... and you have the option to kill this character off in a later game just to complete the tragic tale of this protagonist. Hawke being a pathological bag of sarcasm makes sense in a tragic way, because really, what else could they do?

Dragon Age: Inquisition is a soulless boring single player MMORPG and I couldn't even finish the DLCs or do a 100% playthrough because I was bored out of my mind but there was still some semblance of balance. Not much, but there: Cullen, Leiiana, Dorian, Vivienne are good examples of quipping just enough without going overboard. Iron Bull and Sera are horrible though - it's like Felicia Day's horrid Tallis had fucked James Gunn and given birth to these two abominations.

Can this latest game have some kind of balance? Who knows, but after the horrible dialogues that plague Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem, I am not holding my breath. I won't even play this game, to be honest, as let's be real: Dragon Age is essentially a romance simulator these days, and none of the companions introduced look remotely like they'd look good naked. Can probably get a better experience with Candy.ai.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
The issue in feminist writing is that, like fat feminists, the writers want both to have their cake and eat it. Either women are just as capable as men so no one will give a shit of a powerful woman, or women are special and brave for subverting societal expectations.
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To be fair, the games generally avoid “stronk women” feminism. Because in universe “women are just as capable” is accepted and common sense.

Aveline and Cassandra to use my prior examples don’t go on a feminist soapbox about how badass they are as women. It’s just accepted women can be battering rams of destruction.
 
It would upset modern bioware fans, but imagine how much hype the game would get if you had a menacing metal soundtrack, enemies having their head smashed to bits by a warhammer, bodies exploding because of magic, slaves being beaten and whipped, mages being possessed and turned into hideous demons in front of you, darkspawn that are ugly enough to pass for necromorphs, lust demons with tits on display, a dragon tearing men apart with it's claws.

In 2010s that would just be business as usual, but now people are craving for it. People are sick of safe horny and safe edgy
 
Ishtar said:
To be fair, the games generally avoid “stronk women” feminism. Because in universe “women are just as capable” is accepted and common sense.

Aveline and Cassandra to use my prior examples don’t go on a feminist soapbox about how badass they are as women. It’s just accepted women can be battering rams of destruction.
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In Dragon Age 2, Aveline and Isabela are unique in that they develop a friendship out of frenemy camaraderie, without one of them changing to suit the other person. Isabela is still the unrepentant whore, Aveline is the neurotic prig with OCD, and they are fine with that.

This is a tall glass of water as in modern day girlboss stories, you can only be stronk woman's BFF if you openly agree that she is the bestest, awesomest, mostest while also swearing never to be as attractive as the stronk woman.

In hindsight, David Gaider might be a woke jackass, but his presence in Dragon Age reined in a lot of the excesses that we see run rampant these days in nu-Bioware. Once he was booted out, the blue-haired xers took over and it was all over.

It would upset modern bioware fans, but imagine how much hype the game would get if you had a menacing metal soundtrack, enemies having their head smashed to bits by a warhammer, bodies exploding because of magic, slaves being beaten and whipped, mages being possessed and turned into hideous demons in front of you, darkspawn that are ugly enough to pass for necromorphs, lust demons with tits on display, a dragon tearing men apart with it's claws.
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You make me miss Dragon Age Origins all over again, damn you.
 
SIMIΔN said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rGbgcmNxFh4And DA: Origins didn't go out of its way to be edgy, they just crafted a world to explore and a branching path to trek.
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The trailers really helped in giving you expectations of what to expect in the ambience/feels department, just in general.

Origins trailers "a big fucking evil is back and you're the only who can do something about it, good luck"

DA2 "Your life/world went to shit, good luck rising above the ashes"

Inquisition "world changing shit is happening. Lead them or fall"

Veilguard "here are our colourfull cast of companions omgz look at all these coloured people we have. We even threw in a Warden to lure you in with nostalgia and look an extinct griffin as his pet/companion omgz how coolz is that?!"
 
Is there any chance that DA: Dread wolf rises and DA: Veilguard were two separate games, rolled into one? It seems like there's both a single player game (Probably Dread wolf) and some crap multiplayer hero shooter (veilguard) stuck inside the same body. ironic that a creation of trannies has an identity crisis...

Bonus lolz from the 3rd post in this thread:

BlueArmedDevil said:
This is going to be an amazing mobile game
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