Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Psyduck]

Killing Varric after using him to get people to buy the game is so on-point for modern writers it's nearly guaranteed. Killing him immediately after the demo end is just kicking people in the balls.

Why is it such a no-no to let an established character just ride off into the sunset after their story is over?

 

[Sniperwoof]

Why is it such a no-no to let an established character just ride off into the sunset after their story is over?

No kidding, the last game I can even remember that allowed the popular straight white guy hero to retire peacfully was The Witcher 3 in 2015.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

The alleged leaked plot leak seems very similar to the film Dungeons and Dragons Honor Among Thieves.

Which plot leak is this?

 

[Sniperwoof]

Which plot leak is this?

Couple posts up, 4chan so could be bullshit.

 

[lukewarm coffee]

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So, we won't be getting a possible "Of course he didn't actually die in the Fade." Hawke and Varric reunion. That sucks.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

Couple posts up, 4chan so could be bullshit.

Maybe, also makes way too much sense.

Here's an old man (Mark Darrah, ex-DA director and Veilgiardia consultant) yelling at fans.

"Given that it's called Dread Wolf, you are strongly implying that this game is going to be mostly about Solas. Which it isn't. The game contains Solas..."

He even pulls the "AKTUALLY" card in the opening.

 

[Mola Ram]

Both 2 and Inquisition had the combos.


DA2 was just sped up Origins with horde spawns from the sky instead of actual encounter design.


Some anon who's dad works at Nintendo claiming plot leak and development bhts:

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Sounds terribly plausible. Of course, the decline in dialogue -- "People die! That's what they do!" -- means you could have the plot of The Sting and this would most likely still turn out to be a garbage fire.

 

[BibiLivesMatter]

It was interesting to see a news article from a gaming journalist stating the new dragon age feels dated and not really an rpg anymore. However following in steps of mass effect and not playing into the resurgence CRPGs have been seeing in recent years. It's also weird to see one call it out too, in it feeling like a trend chaser that is late to release. Surprising to see it from pcgamer.com

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/dragon-age-the-veilguards-gameplay-reveal-emphasises-just-how-terminally-out-of-touch-ea-and-bioware-have-become/

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Why is it such a no-no to let an established character just ride off into the sunset after their story is over?

Modern writing is all about character writing. Everything that is not based on the featured characters might as well not exist (leading to repeated examples of characters being pardoned for horrific crimes as long as those were done to other people, or characters who act like jerks being shown as worse than murderers).

When you have a character written by another person, it's like marrying a man with a child from another woman, from the perspective of the writer. And if that character is extremely popular then that's extra bad, and it needs to be shamed and destroyed to highlight your own characters.

Basically, modern writers are like women marrying single fathers and the abusing the shit out of his children to assert dominance.

 

[Sailor Swift]

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So, we won't be getting a possible "Of course he didn't actually die in the Fade." Hawke and Varric reunion. That sucks.

I saw a rumor that supposedly Fenris is to make an appearance. If so, I'm way more interested in him dealing with Hawke being in the Fade than Varric.

But also: Fenris dealing with Solas. I've wanted that to happen for a long time. Especially if his abilities are basically bass-boosted by the Veil being torn.

Maybe, also makes way too much sense.

Here's an old man (Mark Darrah, ex-DA director and Veilgiardia consultant) yelling at fans.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NEGGo0D9X-g
"Given that it's called Dread Wolf, you are strongly implying that this game is going to be mostly about Solas. Which it isn't. The game contains Solas..."

He even pulls the "AKTUALLY" card in the opening.

They showed Solas absorbing the soul of Mythal with a dead Flemeth in his arms. It was always implied to be strongly about that pretentious fuck.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

They showed Solas absorbing the soul of Mythal with a dead Flemeth in his arms. It was always implied to be strongly about that pretentious fuck.

It was but if the leak is accurate, then the name change is because Solas isn't a big part of the game anymore.

You know what DA:V sounds like? Mass Effect 2. No, not the good game that most people remember. The Mass Effect 2 that does nothing to advance the main Stop The Reapers plot of the series. Instead 2 has the player recruiting a team of memorable characters and heading off into a suicide mission with them.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

It was but if the leak is accurate, then the name change is because Solas isn't a big part of the game anymore.

You know what DA:V sounds like? Mass Effect 2. No, not the good game that most people remember. The Mass Effect 2 that does nothing to advance the main Stop The Reapers plot of the series. Instead 2 has the player recruiting a team of memorable characters and heading off into a suicide mission with them.

At least the Reaper baby was tangentially connected to the overarching story. As much to the point, they neatly dodged laying out the plot via TIM's mechanations, making the side quest nature of the whole thing hidden until you were invested.

By way of analogy, who are the Reapers here? What is Dragon Age building towards? The first game had the Archdemon, but you permakill him in the end. DA2 had you derping around in Kirkwall and ultimately railroaded you into the beginning of a mage/Templar war. There's no Reaper-esque through line, AFAIK.

 

[Sailor Swift]

At least the Reaper baby was tangentially connected to the overarching story. As much to the point, they neatly dodged laying out the plot via TIM's mechanations, making the side quest nature of the whole thing hidden until you were invested.

By way of analogy, who are the Reapers here? What is Dragon Age building towards? The first game had the Archdemon, but you permakill him in the end. DA2 had you derping around in Kirkwall and ultimately railroaded you into the beginning of a mage/Templar war. There's no Reaper-esque through line, AFAIK.

One of the end slides from Trespasser showed Dorian and Maevaris (a magister from the comics) doing some political intrigue stuff and building a group called the Lucerni. They're hoping to redeem Tevinter. So my assumption was that the Venatori would be an even bigger threat. Especially since very early on, we were told that Dreadwolf would be more about espionage and stuff.

I just wanted to do cool stuff. I don't wanna play grabass with someone's shitty DnD OC.

 

[Michael Wade]

It's funny seeing people praise the old Origins trailers. They were mostly made fun of when they were released, with the actual developers hating them and saying the whole edgy marketing push for the game came entirely from EA.

Anywho, the game looks awful. But that's been true for Dragon Age since Witch Hunt or whatever the final Origins DLC was called. I wonder which party member(s) will be the genderfluid non-binary blob.

EA was correct back then. I loved that edgy shit at the time. The original warden trailer was excellent

Sounds like FF7 Rebirth to me.

You did not finish or play rebirth

One of my least favorite tropes in modern fiction is the group of heroes laughing and just generally having a good time while fighting enemies, and just not taking the villains seriously.

It can work on low level guys or the occasional creature in a game. But when Im fighting the empire, a demon army or some shit, I expect to have some gravity added to the situation.

The lack of the Keep means whatever you did in the past matters little, if at all, in this new game.

Let's be honest, did your choices in dragon age 1-2 really matter in inquisition? Besides a handful of characters and a couple altered lines? Genuinely curious.



Oh man if this is a suicide mission I really hope you can intentionally fuck it up and get everyone killed. Shit just have one guy buy it and then overlay that sequence over the game failing and bioware going bankrupt.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Let's be honest, did your choices in dragon age 1-2 really matter in inquisition? Besides a handful of characters and a couple altered lines? Genuinely curious.

I think Morrigan's subplot has the most amount of variations to it. The head Grey Warden during one of the big story missions changed depending on a couple of variables. Beyond that, it was mostly cameos and a handful of references.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

The problem with this being like Mass Effect 2 is that had cool characters. These characters look gay and lame.

It sounds like they're pulling a 343i with this game. "Let's set up this character as the villain at the end of the game. Oops, we changed our mind, here is a completely new villain with the new game."

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

That is just fucking awful.

Also, it looks like they've really killed the more strategic elements from past releases in favor of action-RPG, which sucks.

I can't wait for this game to come out and be mid as fuck. Watching all the big corpo faggot defenders lie to themselves to justify that 10/10 is always entertaining.
I might pirate it if i have nothing else to play but i'm probably just going to skip it.

You'll probably be able to pirate it eventually, but I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever, it will have cancerous DeNuvo all over it when it launches.

I'll take Dorian Pavus and his magnificent ass instead, thank you.

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You have to appreciate Magical Freddie Mercury.

 

[The Ugly One]

When you have a character written by another person, it's like marrying a man with a child from another woman, from the perspective of the writer. And if that character is extremely popular then that's extra bad, and it needs to be shamed and destroyed to highlight your own characters.

But enough about Star Wars already.

You have to strike when the iron is hot. The best Dragon Age game is still Origins, which is 15 years old. Inquisition is now ten years old and is widely regarded as bland and bit woke, but better than II, which is mostly reviled. A decade later, where is the demand for a new Dragon Age supposed to be coming from?

 

[Sniperwoof]

"Akshully Dragon Age was never dark fantasy chud!"

My nigga in Christ Origins literally had an enemy that was a flesh Golem made up of the raped and violated corpses of women.

 

[Sailor Swift]

"Akshully Dragon Age was never dark fantasy chud!"

My nigga in Christ Origins literally had an enemy that was a flesh Golem made up of the raped and violated corpses of women.

Okay but like. Now we get this guy summoning super cool skellymen.

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The skelly's name is Manfred, by the way. It wears goggles.