Opinion Don’t worry about global population collapse - Most demographers now predict that humanity will plateau, not drastically decline.

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By F.D. Flam
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The world’s massive human population is levelling off. Most projections show we’ll hit peak humanity in the 21st century, as people choose to have smaller families and women gain power over their own reproduction. This is great news for the future of our species.

And yet alarms are sounding. While environmentalists have long warned of a planet with too many people, now some economists are warning of a future with too few. For example, economist Dean Spears from the University of Texas has written that an “unprecedented decline” in population will lead to a bleak future of slower economic growth and less innovation.

But demographers I spoke with say this concern is based more on speculation than science. A dramatic collapse in population is unlikely to happen within the next 100 years barring some new plague or nuclear war or other apocalypse. And if we need more creative minds in the world, we could stop doing such a terrible job of nourishing and educating the people we’re already producing.

Predictions about future population levels that don’t come with wide margins of error should always be taken with a grain of salt. Joel Cohen, a mathematician, biologist and demographer at Rockefeller University wants to see population projections treated like a real science with a proper accounting for uncertainty. We don’t even know the exact number of people alive now, he points out. When the UN declared we’d surpassed 8 billion on Nov. 15, 2022, it was a “publicity stunt,” he says.

The uncertainty in counting world populations is at least 2% — which adds up to about 160 million people or more. Since the world population grows at most by 80 million a year, we could have hit 8 billion two years earlier, or it might not happen until 2024.

Benjamin Franklin first recognized populations can grow exponentially, and forecast that the American colonies would double every 25 years. In 1798, English economist Thomas Malthus applied this principle globally and wrongly predicted this growth rate would continue until we ran out of food and civilization collapsed.

This line of pessimistic thinking may sound familiar to those who remember the 1968 book by Stanford University scientists Paul and Anne Ehrlich, The Population Bomb. The Ehrlichs famously — and incorrectly — envisioned a 20th-century starvation catastrophe. They failed to recognize that technological advances might meet increased need, and that women worldwide would change from having six to slightly under two children each, on average, in the coming half-century.

Today’s forecasts account for multiple variables and recognize that population increases are leveling off, not spiking and then plummeting. Some of the most reliable projections, Cohen said, come from demographers with the UN. Their latest estimate shows the global population will plateau at around 11 billion people by 2100.

A different model, created by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) and published in The Lancet in 2020, showed an earlier, lower peak around 2064 at 9.7 billion, followed by a steady decline, bringing us down to around 6 billion by 2100. Cohen doesn’t find that alarming — that’s about the number of people alive in 2000.

That inevitable rise in the near term worries Daniel Blumstein, an ecologist at UCLA who is co-author of a 2021 paper on avoiding a “ghastly future”(co-authored with, among other researchers, the Ehrlichs). Population and consumption patterns are intertwined, he says, and together are causing multiple environmental problems, some of them irreversible.

Blumstein points out that the innovations in agriculture that Malthus and the Ehrlichs failed to account for have allowed our population to swell far beyond our ecological niche — with unintended consequences. Pesticides, for example, are killing the bees necessary for pollinating crops. The big picture: Buildup of waste, especially carbon dioxide, along with the destruction of habitat for wild plants and animals, are now threatening humans more than a shortfall in the global supply of food. These changes are contributing to valid concerns about the creation of climate refugees.

There are also real reasons to be concerned about how society will adapt to an aging population. In many countries, the elderly make up a large and growing share of people. Nicholas Eberstadt, a demographer and economist from the American Enterprise Institute, said most countries in the world are already reproducing below replacement level, except for the Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa. Even China’s massive population has begun to shrink, and India’s fertility has fallen below replacement level.

People aren’t selfish for choosing smaller families. We are powerfully programmed by Darwinian evolution to want to have offspring, or at least to have sex, but women are also endowed with the instinct to limit reproduction to the number who can be raised with a high probability of success in life. When women have large numbers of children, it’s often a result of high child mortality or lack of power over their own lives.

Those warning that a population drop could decrease collective brain power and hurt the economy overlook a better solution than producing more babies: Taking better care of the ones we have.

About 22% of children under 5 today are too short for their age because they don’t get enough of the right kinds of nutrients to grow, and because worms and infections compete for the inadequate food they do get, Cohen said. That can affect not only the body, but the brain. And Eberstadt worries about future mismatches between skilled jobs and an undereducated population.

Taking good care of the next generation is the logic parents around the world apply to their own families — and while it won’t solve all our environmental and economic problems, it’s a start.
 
A different model, created by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) and published in The Lancet in 2020, showed an earlier, lower peak around 2064 at 9.7 billion, followed by a steady decline, bringing us down to around 6 billion by 2100. Cohen doesn’t find that alarming — that’s about the number of people alive in 2000.
Only a 25% decline in population + massive aging.
Clearly nothing to worry about!
 
People aren’t selfish for choosing smaller families. We are powerfully programmed by Darwinian evolution to want to have offspring, or at least to have sex, but women are also endowed with the instinct to limit reproduction to the number who can be raised with a high probability of success in life. When women have large numbers of children, it’s often a result of high child mortality or lack of power over their own lives.
Amazing wording here.
 
Population decline on its own is not an issue, it’s literally part of a natural cycle. The only reason it’s deadly to developed countries is because of the literal Ponzi scheme that is social security.
 
Honestly, the population does need to drop naturally to a lower level barring some kind of successful space colonization. You're going to have a massive, permanent underclass dependent upon the state with no opportunities and no future.

Not because of any environmental issues per se, but because there just isn't a need for such a huge amount of labor especially among people who are less intelligent or capable. Automation is going to eat up more and more of their work aided in no small part by these huge minimum wage increases. Who wants to waste money overpaying some trash who will do a half-ass job (if they show up at all) when you could just replace them with machines?

And yes, if you are not severely disabled and are making minimum wage as an adult as your primary source of income, you are a complete loser and a failure.
 
People in developed countries shouldn't worry about their population dropping radically, they'll just take in more immigrants. If anyone thinks that borders will be closed and movement of tens and hundreds of millions of people will be limited they're either overtly optimistic or straight up retarded. You can't say "no" to migration and taking in refugees. Want population growth? Take in 500 million African migrants and they'll have babies for you, that's 100% green and eco-friendly population growth here.
 
People in developed countries shouldn't worry about their population dropping radically, they'll just take in more immigrants. If anyone thinks that borders will be closed and movement of tens and hundreds of millions of people will be limited they're either overtly optimistic or straight up retarded. You can't say "no" to migration and taking in refugees. Want population growth? Take in 500 million African migrants and they'll have babies for you, that's 100% green and eco-friendly population growth here.
Small problem: the kids of those migrants never work and instead leech off all the social welfare programs instead.
 
So I should be worried. Got it.

Jokes aside, the problem isn't the population itself. The problem is the current systems in place are built assuming a forever growing market with more and more consumers. It doesn't account for the obvious fact it doesn't work like that.
 
Just take the latest Goyvid shot dude, it's safe.

Joel Cohen, a mathematician, biologist and demographer at Rockefeller University wants to see population projections treated like a real science with a proper accounting for uncertainty. We don’t even know the exact number of people alive now, he points out. When the UN declared we’d surpassed 8 billion on Nov. 15, 2022, it was a “publicity stunt,” he says.
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I'm not worried about global population collapse, I'm worried about European population collapse
"Don't worry, we have infinite niggers" is only a solution if you're clearing a minefield.
In terms of continued human development it's a bigger problem than the population collapse. Nothing will be left.
 
I'm not worried about population decline. No one that has driven a rush hour freeway in a non-flyover state is worried about a population decline. Covid had one job and it failed spectacularly at it.

I am mildly concerned about being outnumbered 5-1 by the unfriendly orient (anywhere over there that isn't ROC, ROK, Japan, The Philippines), but we're unlikely to get invaded. I want breathing room. Take down the cancer warnings, take the flammable labels off of gas pumps; I eagerly await dropping off the dumbest quarter of our population with open arms.
 
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This is going to be the biggest threat to humanity going forward. (outside of a super volcano or asteroid) How to have first world conditions and still reproduce. The mere fact that they are already trying to downplay it is proof of it's existence. Especially when factoring in the efforts to depopulate.
 
This is going to be the biggest threat to humanity going forward. (outside of a super volcano or asteroid) How to have first world conditions and still reproduce. The mere fact that they are already trying to downplay it is proof of it's existence. Especially when factoring in the efforts to depopulate.
It really doesn't help that the solution the people up top has seems to be 'kick everyone else that isn't them as far back into the past as possible.'
 
I've posted about this a bit extensively but, this guy's full of shit.

Competency crisis + population crisis + cultural crisis = x

I like to think that when most people come around to realizing these things all are related, and are multipliers on each others' effects, that they'll come to a similar conclusion I have when they solve for x. That is to say, no matter who's president in 2025, no matter who's sitting in congress or what party's in charge, if you don't have your affairs in order by 2030-2035 you're going to be in a very, very bad spot.

Because that's probably - at least by my reckoning and take that with a grain of salt I suppose as I'm not a particularly smart man - these will lead to a cascading negative effect on every sector in our civilization regardless of whatever policy decisions have been made. And it's the one problem that really, objectively, has no solution and cannot have its effects alleviated.

If there's any consolation it'll make any WEF-esque "eat the bugs/live in the pod/etc" plans completely and utterly fucking unworkable.
 
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Because that's probably - at least by my reckoning and take that with a grain of salt I suppose as I'm not a particularly smart man - these will lead to a cascading negative effect on every sector in our civilization regardless of whatever policy decisions have been made. And it's the one problem that really, objectively, has no solution and cannot have its effects alleviated.
We're already seeing cascading negative effects, that are starting to compound on each other. The whole 'green energy!' has been a massive scam, perpetrated on and by our supposed ruling elites. It's not just that they're evil, they might also be retarded and evil. Our nations are being ran by retards that would fall for emails telling them that they have been hacked and they need to transfer $50'000 immediately.
 
We're already seeing cascading negative effects, that are starting to compound on each other. The whole 'green energy!' has been a massive scam, perpetrated on and by our supposed ruling elites. It's not just that they're evil, they might also be retarded and evil. Our nations are being ran by retards that would fall for emails telling them that they have been hacked and they need to transfer $50'000 immediately.

That often happens with kids born into money as the older generation of merchants die out.

Soros is evil, his gay crotchfruit is evil, gay and stupid.
 
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