Opinion Don’t worry about global population collapse - Most demographers now predict that humanity will plateau, not drastically decline.

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By F.D. Flam
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The world’s massive human population is levelling off. Most projections show we’ll hit peak humanity in the 21st century, as people choose to have smaller families and women gain power over their own reproduction. This is great news for the future of our species.

And yet alarms are sounding. While environmentalists have long warned of a planet with too many people, now some economists are warning of a future with too few. For example, economist Dean Spears from the University of Texas has written that an “unprecedented decline” in population will lead to a bleak future of slower economic growth and less innovation.

But demographers I spoke with say this concern is based more on speculation than science. A dramatic collapse in population is unlikely to happen within the next 100 years barring some new plague or nuclear war or other apocalypse. And if we need more creative minds in the world, we could stop doing such a terrible job of nourishing and educating the people we’re already producing.

Predictions about future population levels that don’t come with wide margins of error should always be taken with a grain of salt. Joel Cohen, a mathematician, biologist and demographer at Rockefeller University wants to see population projections treated like a real science with a proper accounting for uncertainty. We don’t even know the exact number of people alive now, he points out. When the UN declared we’d surpassed 8 billion on Nov. 15, 2022, it was a “publicity stunt,” he says.

The uncertainty in counting world populations is at least 2% — which adds up to about 160 million people or more. Since the world population grows at most by 80 million a year, we could have hit 8 billion two years earlier, or it might not happen until 2024.

Benjamin Franklin first recognized populations can grow exponentially, and forecast that the American colonies would double every 25 years. In 1798, English economist Thomas Malthus applied this principle globally and wrongly predicted this growth rate would continue until we ran out of food and civilization collapsed.

This line of pessimistic thinking may sound familiar to those who remember the 1968 book by Stanford University scientists Paul and Anne Ehrlich, The Population Bomb. The Ehrlichs famously — and incorrectly — envisioned a 20th-century starvation catastrophe. They failed to recognize that technological advances might meet increased need, and that women worldwide would change from having six to slightly under two children each, on average, in the coming half-century.

Today’s forecasts account for multiple variables and recognize that population increases are leveling off, not spiking and then plummeting. Some of the most reliable projections, Cohen said, come from demographers with the UN. Their latest estimate shows the global population will plateau at around 11 billion people by 2100.

A different model, created by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) and published in The Lancet in 2020, showed an earlier, lower peak around 2064 at 9.7 billion, followed by a steady decline, bringing us down to around 6 billion by 2100. Cohen doesn’t find that alarming — that’s about the number of people alive in 2000.

That inevitable rise in the near term worries Daniel Blumstein, an ecologist at UCLA who is co-author of a 2021 paper on avoiding a “ghastly future”(co-authored with, among other researchers, the Ehrlichs). Population and consumption patterns are intertwined, he says, and together are causing multiple environmental problems, some of them irreversible.

Blumstein points out that the innovations in agriculture that Malthus and the Ehrlichs failed to account for have allowed our population to swell far beyond our ecological niche — with unintended consequences. Pesticides, for example, are killing the bees necessary for pollinating crops. The big picture: Buildup of waste, especially carbon dioxide, along with the destruction of habitat for wild plants and animals, are now threatening humans more than a shortfall in the global supply of food. These changes are contributing to valid concerns about the creation of climate refugees.

There are also real reasons to be concerned about how society will adapt to an aging population. In many countries, the elderly make up a large and growing share of people. Nicholas Eberstadt, a demographer and economist from the American Enterprise Institute, said most countries in the world are already reproducing below replacement level, except for the Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa. Even China’s massive population has begun to shrink, and India’s fertility has fallen below replacement level.

People aren’t selfish for choosing smaller families. We are powerfully programmed by Darwinian evolution to want to have offspring, or at least to have sex, but women are also endowed with the instinct to limit reproduction to the number who can be raised with a high probability of success in life. When women have large numbers of children, it’s often a result of high child mortality or lack of power over their own lives.

Those warning that a population drop could decrease collective brain power and hurt the economy overlook a better solution than producing more babies: Taking better care of the ones we have.

About 22% of children under 5 today are too short for their age because they don’t get enough of the right kinds of nutrients to grow, and because worms and infections compete for the inadequate food they do get, Cohen said. That can affect not only the body, but the brain. And Eberstadt worries about future mismatches between skilled jobs and an undereducated population.

Taking good care of the next generation is the logic parents around the world apply to their own families — and while it won’t solve all our environmental and economic problems, it’s a start.
 
Competency crisis + population crisis + cultural crisis = x
It’s already happening. Everything is breaking here. There’s physically more bodies in the country but if you think of it in terms of useful people and drains, it’s bad news.
The useful people - the ones who mend roads, take the bins, the doctors, the train drivers, the people who make stuff, do stuff, maintain stuff and invent stuff - they’re all under threat. Very few of those jobs pay well. The skill sets for traditionally male and skilled work are going faster.
I’ve said this before but I know a guy (I will call him Dave) who has just retired in his seventies. Twenty years after he should have. He does A Thing with a critical part of the electrical and control systems in nuclear power plants. NOBODY else could do it. He had multiple trainees over the years, and none were up to it. Now Dave’s been paid enoigh for a very comfy retirement becasue he was smart enough to retire and come back as a day rater, but his view of all this is that it’s already fucked and it’s only the good initial setup, inertia, and luck that nothing bad has happened.
He also knows a lot of other engineers. They all say similar things. It’s all fucked.
In my industry, the predatory management styles are taking over. Patient safety is now secondary to ‘metrics’ and those metrics aren’t there to monitor and guide they’re to drive shareholder bottom lines. That led directly to the covid madness. It’s led to trannyism madness.
It’s all fucked. Roads, rail, air, power, we inherited this incredible network built by British men from kingdom Brunel to the late 70s and its now just crumbling. The schools do not teach well enoigh to even have kids come through and be competent. Companies will not take kids in and train them. So you end up with barely competent, non committed people ruled over by a managerial caste who have zero idea of the tech.
It’s all fucked
 
He had multiple trainees over the years, and none were up to it. Now Dave’s been paid enoigh for a very comfy retirement becasue he was smart enough to retire and come back as a day rater, but his view of all this is that it’s already fucked and it’s only the good initial setup, inertia, and luck that nothing bad has happened.

I guess they could try to poach brain drain the euros, but they are already mostly good where they are.

Eastern Europeans are too alien and its too much to move, western ones are already paid well. Guess there is Pajeet.
 
I know it's semantics, but why call it Collapse if it's more of a birthrate plateau?
Two reasons I can see.
1. The system is set up to require constant ponzi style expansion. We cannot expand infinite in a finite earth space. (In this sense we really do need to be sustainably living, it’s just that all the ways the powers that be want us to do that are insane.)?
2. The number of useful civilisation building people is dropping, as a proportion and when it goes below a set proportion of the whole, everything breaks. A country with ten million people where 2% are on welfare and the rest work and produce and live decently will work. Add a million third worlders to strain the police, health, welfare etc and your society will crumble
 
Honestly, the population does need to drop naturally to a lower level barring some kind of successful space colonization. You're going to have a massive, permanent underclass dependent upon the state with no opportunities and no future.

Not because of any environmental issues per se, but because there just isn't a need for such a huge amount of labor especially among people who are less intelligent or capable. Automation is going to eat up more and more of their work aided in no small part by these huge minimum wage increases. Who wants to waste money overpaying some trash who will do a half-ass job (if they show up at all) when you could just replace them with machines?

And yes, if you are not severely disabled and are making minimum wage as an adult as your primary source of income, you are a complete loser and a failure.
We're a long way from having actual automation that you describe.
 
Do you guys ever lay awake at night and remember how there are 200 million Nigerians and just think "god the future is so fucked"?
 
We're a long way from having actual automation that you describe.
True, but so is the start of the expected population decline. I think in another 40 years an enormous amount of these tasks currently performed by low-wage labor will be fully automated. There won't be any options for people who can't or won't learn a valuable trade or get an education in a field that is useful in this environment.

Most likely the only fields that will be immune are those that require conscious or subjective judgment calls that machines can't make. I don't think we'll ever see fully automated commercial truck driving or robotic electricians. I also doubt the ability of machines to fully emulate what a human is capable of physically.

This is already happening now with some reshoring of manufacturing. The factories come back but only a fraction of the jobs that were initially lost return because of the cost and benefits of automation.
 
It’s already happening. Everything is breaking here.
Sure, but there's a point at which the problem starts becoming exponentially worse year-over-year. Somewhere around the time that the current crop of 50-60 y/o people in the workforce start leaving and when the current crop of 10-15 y/o would be expected to enter it and don't, or enter as completely half-assed retards with heads that might as well be full of glue for all the capacity for competent work they're capable of doing.
 
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