Donald Smith vs Jonathan Yaniv - 8/11/2020 Criminal Case Update

[Bob's Vagene]

Just in case people aren't aware of what the pool party in question was about:
- It was an event for younger people.
- For LGBTQ2S+ and their allies
- It was restricted to people ages 12-24
- Dress Code was the lower body private areas had to be covered.
- Parents and guardians were not permitted as this was meant as an LGBTQ2S+ safe space
- This event was not organized by Yaniv, it was promoted by Janiv
- The event was cancelled a couple days before because the organizers didn't believe they could offer a safe space given public backlash at the time

Other things of interest:
- When I called the pool a few days earlier for some specifics I also learned that the pool staff were exempt from the age restriction and that the event was being supervised by adult staff. The event was being blocked off from viewing to the general public. I asked if someone over 30 from the general public could attend, that was a No. I didn't mention Yaniv when I asked that.
- Janiv's plan for a pool party was deferred by city council until later in the year. Yaniv's idea for a pool party is not the same event that was suppose to run on July 10th. It is incorrect to say Yaniv was actually trying to make it "all ages no parents" so he could attend. Yaniv's pool party idea and the July 10th event were not the same so things are being conflated.
- Yaniv's own pool party didn't say it was open to all ages, but in the application it was only stated the lower bound on age was 12.
- Langley had held similar swim events for youth prior to this

For anyone who lives outside of Canada may be curious to understand:
- Adult women can bare their breasts in public in BC and Ontario if not done so for a sexual purpose.
- In BC and Ontario provincial courts have found the public decency laws in Canada's criminal code to be pretty much unenforceable because of subjectivity.
- BC courts have specifically ruled that bans on topless swimming are unconstitutional
- The Crown in the other provinces generally do not pursue indecency charges for public nudity that isn't overtly sexualized because it is pretty much assumed the finding of the courts in BC and Ontario would be similar to those in their province if it reached a Superior Court.
- Nudity doesn't imply something is sexual

Safe space for pedophiles maybe...

Anyway that was a lot of text saying nothing. Why do you feel the need to defend yaniv and constantly bitch about Donald?

We get it. You don't like Donald, and in a round about way you keep defending Yaniv. Maybe you should just have a threeway with both of them?

 

[beeble]

He endorsed the first pool party and then tried to create his own with no upper age limit.

As I said, the only limit imposed was 12 on the low side. His application didn't say it was a children's event either. There was some question as to what his intention was. But even I admit the likely scenario is as it appears - an all body swim event for all ages 12+.

- It is legal to have 12+ swim events that are topless. Yaniv's application said it would abide by all required laws on the matter. I mention below a reason why council should reject it though.
- BC has ruled that topless swimming bans are unconstitutional
- There is no restriction on the age of toplessness
- In Canada nudity is not necessarily considered sexual. It depends.
- Nude swim parties are not meant as a pedophile haven.
- If it can be proven that someone was child grooming or engaging in voyeurism of minors, the pool and law enforcement are more than within their rights to deal with it.
- Although parents and guardians can't attend, it doesn't mean that a parent can't prevent a child from attending in the first place if they were aware the child intended to go.

Something I find problematic about the 12+ idea is that if you say open to all ages 12+ and parents and guardians are not permitted - it would likely be seen as discriminatory because parents without kids attending could go. I have a suspicion that the idea of a 12+ open ended age range that doesn't permit parents and guardians (who were LGBTQ allies) wouldn't fly for other reasons. City council never approved Janiv's idea, but it was deferred. If I was present for a public discussion I'd raise the possibility of discrimination. My opinion is that a restriction on legal guardians in such a scenario should be removed. The idea doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. A parent could send any other adult who is an LGBTQ2S+ ally to watch over their child. Pretty nonsensical from my perspective, and I doubt it was thought through by Yaniv.

Some other realities. It is legal to have completely nude swim events in Canada where adults and children (of all ages) are nude, or adults are nude and children clothing optional. Such events are held in public pools across the country, but shielded from public viewing (they privately book the facility). Usually for that kind of event to keep things safe organizers require a legal guardian to be present if a child attends. City administrators usually require evidence that such events take measures to protect people before approving an application. Often the requirement is that the option for clothing applies to children, but adults must go completely naked. My understanding is that pedophiles are generally more socially introverted so going out to such an event and being forced to be nude are likely a deterrent. It may be more obvious if someone is getting off on it while fixating on kids that may be present if they were nude.

I wouldn't send my child to an event organized by Janiv if Janiv was present. Yaniv doesn't need to be convicted of anything for me to make a particular choice out of an abundance of caution. But just because I may feel that way, other people may see Yaniv differently.

 

[John southern]

For the record, Donald's first few words (in person) to Yaniv called him a pedo specifically because Yaniv was promoting a pool party. It is that simple. My post was to explain the events where Donald fired the opening salvo between the two of them. Donald was the instigator in their real life war.

Nope, that was at the Tribunal in July 26th. The same day of the elevator incident.
Yaniv's shit with teenagers and preteens was well known before that day.

I was there and Donald was there with Dan Dicks helping him with his gear doing interviews with PPC candidates.

Jonathan's shit goes all the way back to 2008, which the first time I saw him in person
when he was running around trying to organize a "National Sex day" in Vancouver.

He wasn't dressed a girl back then.

 

[Deadpool]

As I said, the only limit imposed was 12 on the low side. His application didn't say it was a children's event either. There was some question as to what his intention was. But even I admit the likely scenario is as it appears - an all body swim event for all ages 12+.

- It is legal to have 12+ swim events that are topless. Yaniv's application said it would abide by all required laws on the matter. I mention below a reason why council should reject it though.
- BC has ruled that topless swimming bans are unconstitutional
- There is no restriction on the age of toplessness
- In Canada nudity is not necessarily considered sexual. It depends.
- Nude swim parties are not meant as a pedophile haven.
- If it can be proven that someone was child grooming or engaging in voyeurism of minors, the pool and law enforcement are more than within their rights to deal with it.
- Although parents and guardians can't attend, it doesn't mean that a parent can't prevent a child from attending in the first place if they were aware the child intended to go.

Something I find problematic about the 12+ idea is that if you say open to all ages 12+ and parents and guardians are not permitted - it would likely be seen as discriminatory because parents without kids attending could go. I have a suspicion that the idea of a 12+ open ended age range that doesn't permit parents and guardians (who were LGBTQ allies) wouldn't fly for other reasons. City council never approved Janiv's idea, but it was deferred. If I was present for a public discussion I'd raise the possibility of discrimination. My opinion is that a restriction on legal guardians in such a scenario should be removed.

Some other realities. It is legal to have completely nude swim events in Canada where adults and children (of all ages) are nude, or adults are nude and children clothing optional. Such events are held in public pools across the country, but shielded from public viewing (they privately book the facility). Usually for that kind of event to keep things safe organizers require a legal guardian to be present if a child attends. City administrators usually require evidence that such events take measures to protect people before approving an application. Often the requirement is that the option for clothing applies to children, but adults must go completely naked. My understanding is that pedophiles are generally more socially introverted so going out to such an event and being forced to be nude are likely a deterrent. It may be more obvious if someone is getting off on it while fixating on kids that may be present if they were nude.

I wouldn't send my child to an event organized by Janiv if Janiv was present. Yaniv doesn't need to be convicted of anything for me to make a particular choice out of an abundance of caution. But just because I may feel that way, other people may see Yaniv differently.

I don't give a fuck if it was intended for his preferred age range, the fact is he'd have a chance to perv on topless underage girls which, (let me emphasise this for you because you seem kinda dumb) IS THE WHOLE POINT OF HIM TRYING TO START THIS SWIM TO BEGIN WITH.

Also I don't give a fuck how legal it is. That doesn't make it fucking right. You can point out the legality to me over and over and my answer will always be the same: "Yep Canada seems to have some really fucking stupid laws that seem to out protections on pedophiles and troons at the expense of actual women and children." Oddly enough this is the same tactic Yaniv uses Mike.

Once again, the right for children to be naked around strange adults is a terrible hill to die on you fucking sped.

 

[beeble]

Nope, that was at the Tribunal in July 26th. The same day of the elevator incident.
Yaniv's shit with teenagers and preteens was well known before that day.

I'm talking about July 26th at the BCHRT with the elevator incident where Dan Dicks was present along with Donald. When Donald was still outside where Dan and himself were present (I mention Dan because he was obviously there) - Donald specifically asked Yaniv about the pool party and then didn't just suggest Yaniv was a pedo he called yaniv a pedo. Of course all the stuff on social media was out there about the allegations, but that wasn't what Donald asked about, and then declared him a pedo.

As I mentioned in an earlier comment this was the opening salvo in the real life war between the two. When Donald returned from his court appearance in Alberta he actually did some videos about Yaniv before meeting Yaniv on July 26th and he was all up in arms about the very idea of the July 10th pool party.

Some other aspects of the timeline. The swim event that Janiv promoted but didn't organize was July 10th (which was cancelled). July 22nd Yaniv put forward an application for their event that only has a lower restriction of 12 years of age. Then the BCHRT hearing was July 26th.

Edit: Donald returned to BC on July 20th. I only know that because I found the global news article where Donald was featured on the day of a Revelstoke accident that closed the Highway for hours. Between the 20th and 26th Donald devoted considerable time on Yaniv.

 

[Deadpool]

I'm talking about July 26th at the BCHRT with the elevator incident where Dan Dicks was present along with Donald. When Donald was still outside where Dan and himself were present (I mention Dan because he was obviously there) - Donald specifically asked Yaniv about the pool party and then didn't just suggest Yaniv was a pedo he called yaniv a pedo. Of course all the stuff on social media was out there about the allegations, but that wasn't what Donald asked about, and then declared him a pedo.

As I mentioned in an earlier comment this was the opening salvo in the real life war between the two. When Donald returned from his court appearance in Alberta he actually did some videos about Yaniv before meeting Yaniv on July 26th.

Some other aspects of the timeline. The swim event that Janiv promoted but didn't organize was July 10th (which was cancelled). July 22nd Yaniv put forward an application for their event that only has a lower restriction of 12 years of age. Then the BCHRT hearing was July 26th.

He referred to Yaniv by one of his most well known features. It's not polite but it doesn't make the statement false. I'll say it right here Jonathan Yaniv is male pedophile and has a penis. He is a man who wants to diddle kids. That statement is 100% fact.

 

[John southern]

I'm talking about July 26th at the BCHRT with the elevator incident where Dan Dicks was present along with Donald. When Donald was still outside where Dan and himself were present (I mention Dan because he was obviously there) - Donald specifically asked Yaniv about the pool party and then didn't just suggest Yaniv was a pedo he called yaniv a pedo. Of course all the stuff on social media was out there about the allegations, but that wasn't what Donald asked about, and then declared him a pedo.

As I mentioned in an earlier comment this was the opening salvo in the real life war between the two. When Donald returned from his court appearance in Alberta he actually did some videos about Yaniv before meeting Yaniv on July 26th.

Some other aspects of the timeline. The swim event that Janiv promoted but didn't organize was July 10th (which was cancelled). July 22nd Yaniv put forward an application for their event that only has a lower restriction of 12 years of age. Then the BCHRT hearing was July 26th.

The pool party crap was just the newest thing on the 26th.
Yaniv had established himself as a pedophile loooooong before that.

I was at the Tribunal on the 16th, 17th and 26th and witnessed the interactions between Yaniv and everyone else.
Your account of that is hearsay and based on videos you've seen. I witnessed it.

Donald wasn't the only person who called Jonathan a pedo, the PPC candidates and others who attended did so as well.
there was at least 40 people there and 15 cops.

 

[Deadpool]

The pool party crap was just the newest thing on the 26th.
Yaniv had established himself as a pedophile loooooong before that.

I was at the Tribunal on the 16th, 17th and 26th and witnessed the interactions between Yaniv and everyone else.
Your account of that is hearsay and based on videos you've seen. I witnessed it.

Donald wasn't the only person who called Jonathan a pedo, the PPC candidates and others who attended did so as well.
there was at least 40 people there and 15 cops.

You mean telling a teenage girl you like the way her "boobies go up and down up and down" and that you want to have a threesome with her is a sign of pedophilia? I'm sure he's thinking of those breasts in a nonsexual way!

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

You mean telling a teenage girl you like the way her "boobies go up and down up and down" and that you want to have a threesome with her is a sign of pedophilia? I'm sure he's thinking of those breasts in a nonsexual way!

Careful, he's going to bust out the 'it's not technically pedophilia it's hebephilia' bullshit again.

 

[beeble]

Donald wasn't the only person who called Jonathan a pedo,

I don't care who else called him a pedo. In the video produced at the BCHRT *Donald* clearly asked the question about the pool party, and declared him a pedo for it. Even Anna Slatz reporting it on TPM didn't go that far. That usually separates people who don't have journalistic integrity from those who do. Anna Slatz at least has certain limits when reporting for media despite what personal opinion she may hold.

As I pointed out the relevance of what Donald did is to go towards who instigated the war between Donald and Yaniv, not between the World and Yaniv. Donald took the first shot and it was a declaration that Yaniv was a pedo. People who think Yaniv started this war with Donald are frankly wrong. The first person to make a phone call to the other was also Donald who livestreamed that too.

 

[Deadpool]

I don't care who else called him a pedo. In the video produced at the BCHRT *Donald* clearly asked the question about the pool party, and declared him a pedo for it. Even Anna Slatz reporting it on TPM didn't go that far. That usually separates people who don't have journalistic integrity from those who do. Anna Slatz at least has certain limits when reporting for media despite what personal opinion she may hold.

Did Yaniv promise you copies of any nudes he solicits from minors if you defend him, or just some nudes of himself?

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I don't care who else called him a pedo. In the video produced at the BCHRT *Donald* clearly asked the question about the pool party, and declared him a pedo for it. Even Anna Slatz reporting it on TPM didn't go that far. That usually separates people who don't have journalistic integrity from those who do. Anna Slatz at least has certain limits when reporting for media despite what personal opinion she may hold.

Didn't he call him a 'pedophiler' not a 'pedophile'? For all you know that might mean 'a grown-ass man who obsessively hits on underage girls by sending them Elmo videos about their breasts and talking about tampon use'.

Maybe it's like 'pedo guy' which the courts have ruled non-defamatory.

In unrelated news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PwR1Ef1O_k

 

[beeble]

Didn't he call him a 'pedophiler' not a 'pedophile'? For all you know that might mean 'a grown-ass man who obsessively hits on underage girls by sending them Elmo videos about their breasts and talking about tampon use'.

Maybe it's like 'pedo guy' which the courts have ruled non-defamatory.

No I'm pretty sure at the BCHRT he used the shortened form "pedo". In his videos he usually uses the weird word "pedophiler" which is not really a word except in the Urban dictionary and even then it isn't what he thinks it is. I wince everytime he says pedophiler.

Donald clearly means pedo. He has countless videos spanning 4+ months where he believes Yaniv is a child molester and child groomer. You can play coy games about what Donald means, his videos make it clear exactly what his views are. There is no grey area there.

 

[yesthatanna]

I don't care who else called him a pedo. In the video produced at the BCHRT *Donald* clearly asked the question about the pool party, and declared him a pedo for it. Even Anna Slatz reporting it on TPM didn't go that far. That usually separates people who don't have journalistic integrity from those who do. Anna Slatz at least has certain limits when reporting for media despite what personal opinion she may hold.

As I pointed out the relevance of what Donald did is to go towards who instigated the war between Donald and Yaniv, not between the World and Yaniv. Donald took the first shot and it was a declaration that Yaniv was a pedo. People who think Yaniv started this war with Donald are frankly wrong. The first person to make a phone call to the other was also Donald who livestreamed that too.

The standard for defamation is pretty high in Canada, from what I understand.

Not only must one demonstrate damage to their reputation, but a the reasonable person test must be passed. In effect, if a reasonable person would believe the comments/statements made to be true, it is not defamation.

Further, there are a few defences for defamation. In the case of the general public, that primary defence is FAIR COMMENT. In other words, an opinion, especially one based on fact. Donald, or anyone, calling Yaniv a "pedophile" after reading the innumerable victim statements, evidences, reports, etc... out there that demonstrate Yaniv has a history of inappropriate sexual contact with minors is no more defamatory than someone calling Yaniv a "racist" based on the same innumerable evidences of Yaniv's racial animus (animus that has now been absolutely codified by the BCHRT).

Truth is a defence against defamation. Truth considered in the formation of an opinion would absolutely be a defense.

Donald's treatment by the justice system stems from the fact he is an intellectually disabled individual. He cannot control himself a lot of the time, and it is hard for him to express himself. As someone with a background in corrections, policing, and criminology, I can tell you that our on-the-ground justice system SUCKS for dealing with persons with disabilities, especially intellectual or psychological ones. The police think its not their job (and they're right), and have no other means of dealing with difficult situations than arrest, arrest, arrest.

As a result, people don't just slip through the cracks, they're thrown through them.

What Donald needs is a referral to a mental health service worker who can counsel him and be a resource for him. But even those workers are generally overburdened and underpaid, making their approach to their jobs less than satisfactory by my standpoint.

 

[Choose carefully]

Yaniv's idea for a pool party is not the same event that was suppose to run on July 10th. It is incorrect to say Yaniv was actually trying to make it "all ages no parents" so he could attend. Yaniv's pool party idea and the July 10th event were not the same so things are being conflated.

Yaniv claims they were advocating for the original event to get a new venue, not setting up a new event. The request to the ToL was for "[p]ermission for LGBTQ2S+ organizations" to hold the party, rather than Yaniv personally, and Yaniv admits changing the age restrictions when filing it.

(Link) (Archive)

 

[Deadpool]

The standard for defamation is pretty high in Canada, from what I understand.

Not only must one demonstrate damage to their reputation, but a the reasonable person test must be passed. In effect, if a reasonable person would believe the comments/statements made to be true, it is not defamation.

Further, there are a few defences for defamation. In the case of the general public, that primary defence is FAIR COMMENT. In other words, an opinion, especially one based on fact. Donald, or anyone, calling Yaniv a "pedophile" after reading the innumerable victim statements, evidences, reports, etc... out there that demonstrate Yaniv has a history of inappropriate sexual contact with minors is no more defamatory than someone calling Yaniv a "racist" based on the same innumerable evidences of Yaniv's racial animus (animus that has now been absolutely codified by the BCHRT).

Truth is a defence against defamation. Truth considered in the formation of an opinion would absolutely be a defense.

Donald's treatment by the justice system stems from the fact he is an intellectually disabled individual. He cannot control himself a lot of the time, and it is hard for him to express himself. As someone with a background in corrections, policing, and criminology, I can tell you that our on-the-ground justice system SUCKS for dealing with persons with disabilities, especially intellectual or psychological ones. The police think its not their job (and they're right), and have no other means of dealing with difficult situations than arrest, arrest, arrest.

As a result, people don't just slip through the cracks, they're thrown through them.

What Donald needs is a referral to a mental health service worker who can counsel him and be a resource for him. But even those workers are generally overburdened and underpaid, making their approach to their jobs less than satisfactory by my standpoint.

*Starts a slow clap...*

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Donald clearly means pedo. He has countless videos spanning 4+ months where he believes Yaniv is a child molester and child groomer. You can play coy games about what Donald means, his videos make it clear exactly what his views are. There is no grey area there.

Most of the people here think Yaniv is a child groomer. We've got endless evidence of it too from Jessica Rumpel and Louise Nussac.

 

[beeble]

Anyway, I hadn't listened to the video since July. He didn't use the term pedo, pedophile or pedphiler. He used the term "pedophilia" in this instance. The quote I get on video as they turn the corner outside the BCHRT (as Yaniv enters in their scooter) is Donald in a raised voice saying "Hey!" then "Why, Why Do ya wanna have a pool party with kids... That's a pedophilia".
In the video where he makes the first call between himself and Yaniv - he gets no answer, leaves an abusive voicemail, and then a friend/associate of Yaniv calls back - he calls that person a c<bleep>nt and then asks why they support a pedo.

 

[Deadpool]

Anyway, I hadn't listened to the video since July. He didn't use the term pedo, pedophile or pedphiler. He used the term "pedophilia" in this instance. The quote I get on video as they turn the corner outside the BCHRT is Donald in a raised voice saying "Hey!" then "Why, Why Do ya wanna have a pool party with kids... That's a pedophilia".
In the video where he makes the first call between himself and Yaniv - he gets no answer, leaves an abusive voicemail, and then a friend/associate of Yaniv calls back - he calls that person a c<bleep>nt and then asks why they support a pedo.

Did you just censor yourself from using the word cunt, you dumb cunt?

 

[beeble]

Did you just censor yourself from using the word cunt, you dumb cunt?

Why, why yes I did! Love you too Deadpool, kisses babe!