Donald Smith vs Jonathan Yaniv - 8/11/2020 Criminal Case Update

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@pr3nt177: Looking at those posts they don't seem contradictory. In the Facebook post they specifically mention "brazilian waxes". That requires a specialization by the waxers from all that I read at the BCHRT drama. In the bottom Tweet they specifically mention waxing services that don't require specialize anatomical knowledge. That seems to exclude Brazilians. Pretty sure some of the defendants were asked to do waxing of just limbs and not Braziliana.


Jonathan was accepted by several waxers and then dropped the request when that happened.

He also ADMITTED to using fake Facebook profile pictures to sucker waxers into thinking he was a BIOLOGICAL female and then once he got their contact information
he dropped the trans identity on them.

He was on a fishing expedition for victims to sue. Nothing more.


And remember Mr. Petch. I'm not speaking from a position of someone reading Tweets, Facebook posts and media reports and hearsay.... I was there in the room when it happened.
 
@pr3nt177: Looking at those posts they don't seem contradictory. In the Facebook post they specifically mention "brazilian waxes". That requires a specialization by the waxers from all that I read at the BCHRT drama. In the bottom Tweet they specifically mention waxing services that don't require specialize anatomical knowledge. That seems to exclude Brazilians. Pretty sure some of the defendants were asked to do waxing of just limbs and not Braziliana.
That wasn't the point I was making but never mind.
 
Facebook posts and media reports and hearsay.... I was there in the room when it happened.
Having now read the full ruling, I don't need to be in the room. You are using the appeal to authority to dismiss my comment.. Even then being in the room doesn't make you an expert on the ruling. It is clear in the ruling that the judge found Yaniv to be using the system with improper motives, and I never said anything to the contrary in my previous comment. We all knew that Janiv was abusing the system. The ruling includes statement of facts by the salons/waxers on what they claimed. In all but 2 cases the judge dismissed the cases on merit and Yaniv's motives. In the remaining cases they were dismissed on Yaniv's motives, not merit. The judge found that 2 cases did have potential merit because they didn't involve waxing genitals. We don't know how the judge would have ruled on those 2 latter cases if they weren't dismissed because of Janiv's abuse of the system. Cases like them could still be brought forward to the BCHRT by someone for discrimination based on sex to see how it would actually be ruled upon.
 
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Having now read the full ruling, I don't need to be in the room. You are using the appeal to authority to dismiss my comment..

Seeing and hearing something first hand, including sitting in the same room as Jonathan and his mother when they were talking privately during breaks in the proceedings is sure as fuck a lot more
then what get reading stuff online and hearing it second hand.

I saw his face, I heard his voice. You don't get that from a report.
Even if they release a full transcript of the proceedings which are recorded with mics on the desks, they likely won't include the public freak outs that both Jonathan and his mother did
like Miriam threatening to kill everyone in the room and jump off the building. or her saying she was planning to move back to Israel and change her name because the family
have pretty much disowned them because of Jonathan.


Think of it like experiencing a Baseball game.

You were listening to it on the radio.

I was sitting in the stands behind home plate.
 
Seeing and hearing something first hand, including sitting in the same room as Jonathan and his mother when they were talking privately during breaks in the proceedings is sure as fuck a lot more
then what get reading stuff online and hearing it second hand.
TL;DR: Despite the fact the judge agrees that Janiv is a predator; who has a problem with immigrant; holds racist attitudes; a penchant for lying and deception ultimately abused the system by which all the cases were ultimately dismissed- the judge actually found merit in Yaniv's arguments in two of the cases. Had they been brought forward by someone not abusing the system the BCHRT may have had to make a ruling based on merit in those cases.

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John I don't know if you have some mental block on this or not. We all know Janiv abused the system, the BCHRT says they abused the system, I know they abused the system. There is no argument on that. The judge's ruling is not hearsay however, it is what it is. The judge didn't just say things about Janiv's conduct and motives, it describes how the rulings for each case were reached. The ruling lays out what the primary testimonies of each of the defendants were and details why the cases were dismissed. The judge makes it clear about the nature of 2 of the cases and the potential merits but were dismissed on motives. The rest lacked merit and were also overshadowed by improper motives.

Have you read the entire ruling for comprehension? I knew the general gist from the media, but until tonight I never took a deep dive into the entirety of the ruling. It is enlightening to say the least.

The ruling has left the door open for men (not just trans-women) to file future complaints for being denied service based on sex discrimination when the services rendered can be fulfilled without specialized knowledge. Seeing how those get ruled on would be very interesting. The ruling also leaves the door open for someone to bring forth a complaint where the business owner wields religious freedom to justify potential discrimination. That would be even more interesting to see the ruling for. Of course this isn't just a male thing. This applies to women and trans-men who may seek the services of someone who caters to men and denies service based on a person's sex.

The BCHRT ruling leaves as many questions unanswered as it did in answering them. Looking at the ruling from the 20,000 foot level it is easy to focus in on the abuse of Janiv and say "haha, told ya, Yaniv is a racist, anti-immigrant, predatory asshole that was abusing the system to steal money from people who were not as likely to defend themselves". That is very much true! That's what most of social media pounced on though. But the ruling is much more involved and nuanced when you look at it from the ground. From the ground you still see the "haha, told ya, Yaniv is a racist, anti-immigrant, predator asshole that was abusing the system to steal money from people who were not as likely to defend themselves", BUT there is actual potential merit in some of the things that Janiv did bring forward that leaves the door open for the BCHRT ro rule on in the future if someone were to encounter similar discrimination in cases where specialized knowledge of human anatomy isn't a factor in rendering a service.
 
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John I don't know if you have some mental block on this or not. We all know Janiv abused the system, the BCHRT says they abused the system, I know they abused the system. There is no argument on that. The judge's ruling is not hearsay however, it is what it is. The judge didn't just say things about Janiv's conduct and motives, it describes how the rulings for each case were reached. The ruling lays out what the primary testimonies of each of the defendants were and details why the cases were dismissed. The judge makes it clear about the nature of 2 of the cases and the potential merits but were dismissed on motives. The rest lacked merit and were also overshadowed by improper motives.

Have you read the entire ruling for comprehension? I knew the general gist from the media, but until tonight I never took a deep dive into the entirety of the ruling. It is enlightening to say the least.

The ruling has left the door open for men (not just trans-women) to file future complaints for being denied service based on sex discrimination when the services rendered can be fulfilled without specialized knowledge. Seeing how those get ruled on would be very interesting. The ruling also leaves the door open for someone to bring forth a complaint where the business owner wields religious freedom to justify potential discrimination. That would be even more interesting to see the ruling for. Of course this isn't just a male thing. This applies to women and trans-men who may seek the services of someone who caters to men and denies service based on a person's sex.

The BCHRT ruling leaves as many questions unanswered as it did in answering them. Looking at the ruling from the 20,000 foot level it is easy to focus in on the abuse of Janiv and say "haha, told ya, Yaniv is a racist, anti-immigrant, predatory asshole that was abusing the system to steal money from people who were not as likely to defend themselves". That is very much true! That's what most of social media pounced on though. But the ruling is much more involved and nuanced when you look at it from the ground. From the ground you still see the "haha, told ya, Yaniv is a racist, anti-immigrant, predator asshole that was abusing the system to steal money from people who were not as likely to defend themselves", BUT there is actual potential merit in some of the things that Janiv did bring forward that leaves the door open for the BCHRT ro rule on in the future if someone were to encounter similar discrimination in cases where specialized knowledge of human anatomy isn't a factor in rendering a service.
So you are essentially saying that any woman who comes from a devout religious background who is FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS unable to be alone with or touch a man she is not married to is not allowed to offer grooming services solely to women? We aren't talking major chains here. We are talking about small businesses where women often run it out of their own homes. Even not being particularly religious myself, I would not have a man come into my home to wax him. There's just too much potential for risk there. Sure, the risk of bringing women in there isn't zero, but in general the risk would be theft -- not rape or murder. Statistics bear that out.

The fact that you refuse to consider the RELIGIOUS beliefs of these women as valid or worthy of protecting is interesting. Guess only some people deserve to have their beliefs catered to. And in your book, it doesn't seem like the beliefs of REAL women matter a whole lot.

And I'm still waiting to hear what Donald did to you and your friend that is so horrible that you hate him for it. Why are you so keen to talk about what Donald has done with Yaniv, but not your own personal experience with him? I would think that a first hand account of what Donald has done would be something that is worthy of discussing instead of trying to play with semantics to prove that Donald is worse than Yaniv. Unless there is something about your "friend" you don't want us to know?
 
So you are essentially saying that any woman who comes from a devout religious background who is FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS
Where in that comment did I say anything about my interpretation of religious freedom? If you read what I said it was: "The ruling also leaves the door open for someone to bring forth a complaint where the business owner wields religious freedom to justify potential discrimination". I don't know how the BCHRT would have ruled, I am curious how they would have. That is an unanswered question that I'd love to see the answer to.

Edit: If you look beyond human rights tribunals and look at the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Section 7 and 15) and existing Supreme Court Case law in relation to religious freedom (as found under Section 2) there are hints as to how a Human Rights Tribunal may answer such a question, but that is still uncertain as to whether it could be applicable to a business owner in cases like these. A result either way, will be viewed as a win for one person's Charter Rights over someone else's Charter Rights. A similar problem exists in the abortion debate if you disagree with the Criminal Codes view on when an entity becomes a human being (and by extension bestowed rights under the Charter).
 
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And I'm still waiting to hear what Donald did to you and your friend that is so horrible that you hate him for it. Why are you so keen to talk about what Donald has done with Yaniv, but not your own personal experience with him? I would think that a first hand account of what Donald has done would be something that is worthy of discussing instead of trying to play with semantics to prove that Donald is worse than Yaniv. Unless there is something about your "friend" you don't want us to know?

He's likely a creeper like Jonathan and Donald rejected him when he offered to 'Help" him, probably some rental situation that he was exploiting.
His Twitter photo literally has the stereotypical looks of the type of guy who goes to places like Thailand and the Philippines.

Not saying he's a pedo, but probably has a thing for trannies, ladyboys and young guys in positions that he exploit.
 
For someone who goes to a lot of hearings and court cases you don't really understand how they work at all.

The judgement in writing is what matters (we are going to table things like appealable errors and jury verdicts for the time being because this ain't law school). If the trier of fact says "I find x because y" that is gospel. you can make up little conspiracy theories and ulterior motives but what's on the paper is what counts.

you don't need to go to a hearing to understand the judge's decision because they wrote it down for that very reason.
 
Hello, Farmers, it's time for today's installment of Dumbest Soap Opera.
Now that Donald's ex gf Jaded Love Story has subsided into twitness protection, her proxy "Jason" is here to stir the catshit. He's a "tough old goat" with nothing better to do on his nightshift "watching property." He likes to tweet Kiwifarms screenshots from @John southern on Anna's thread.



Meanwhile, somebody grabbed some ss of a YouTube live chatter going by "Jessica Yaniv" activating Donny's almonds. Imo, there is no way of telling if that really is Yaniv or if it's a provocateur.



Mil.k delivery complete for now. Enjoy!

Edit to add: people be focusing on John Southern, Journalist?, but no one has asked: besides ill fitting pumps, what was our Kween WEARING? Stop holding out on us, John.

Edit how could I forget to fetch Petch. He likes your ss too, Mr. Southern. You are kind of a big deal.

Edit: Jesus wept.
 

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His Twitter photo literally has the stereotypical looks of the type of guy who goes to places like Thailand and the Philippines.

Not saying he's a pedo, but probably has a thing for trannies, ladyboys and young guys in positions that he exploit.

I think we could call him a 'pedo guy' using the Elon Musk definition of 'a creepy older guy' since the courts have ruled that to be non-defamatory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50641397

“Pedo guy was a common insult used in South Africa when I was growing up,” Mr Musk said in a court filing as part of a failed request to have the case thrown out of court. "It is synonymous with ‘creepy old man’ and is used to insult a person’s appearance and demeanour, not accuse a person of paedophilia.”
 
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Donald/Elle interview

Video on Donald's channel

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NQc_ol1cy8U

Audio attached

Thanks for this. I've managed 25 minutes so far, unfortunately, I have things to do but will definitely get back to it.

A refreshing change to listen to a trans who isn't sitting there screaming about how special they are and can actually talk sensibly about the way things are for women and censorship of the press on the likes of Twitter.

(I see michael petch's name cropped up :))
 
I can state for a fact that if the RCMP interact with you in any negative way, even if they so much as catch you jaywalking, the first thing they do is run your name to see if there is a warrant out for you. So yeah, if Yaniv said 'this guy who threatened me has just shown up and is taking pictures of my car' the cops would immediately upon intercepting Donald and getting his story, be checking him to see if there were any warrants out for him. If there was, he's huckled even if his camera was empty of pics of JY's car. Pretty obvious really, but thought I'd clarify that.

Also, @Mitt Doggy Dogg is right. This thread should be renamed or now with all the orbiters involved, posts related to anything but Donny vs. Yaniv should be split off into a new 'Yaniv Orbiters' thread., it's no longer a simple tard fight with the originals.
 
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'this guy who threatened me has just shown up and is taking pictures of my car'
Fair amount of confusion around what happened. Yaniv believed Keean Bexte was taking photos and Keean gave his phone to police so they could scroll though his photo gallery. John has said it was Donald, but I'm not sure at the time Yaniv actually knew that? Was there some source or video where Yaniv knew that Donald was doing it?
 
Fair amount of confusion around what happened. Yaniv believed Keean Bexte was taking photos and Keean gave his phone to police so they could scroll though his photo gallery. John has said it was Donald, but I'm not sure at the time Yaniv actually knew that? Was there some source or video where Yaniv knew that Donald was doing it?

Keean is separate, he was never near JYs car in the first place at least according to his own testimony. But the cops found someone presumably Donald, down below. If they talked to him and he acted sketchy in any way (which face it, he would) they would run his name for warrants.
 
Keean is separate, he was never near JYs car in the first place at least according to his own testimony. But the cops found someone presumably Donald, down below. If they talked to him and he acted sketchy in any way (which face it, he would) they would run his name for warrants.
Yes, Keean cleared himself of that but that's who Yaniv lashed out for taking pics of their vehicle. That may well be about cops finding someone down below. I hadn't seen someone specifically mention if Donald had been caught in the parkade and that cops knew that, although I may have missed it. Thanks.
 
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