Do You Believe in Magic and Stuff Like It?

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The stuff like it can be things like tarot cards, ghosts, etc.
Anything involved with magic or the supernatural and if so why?
 
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I remember when going through my edgy tween phase trying to coerce myself by believing in magic when I “converted” to Wicca. Years later I read the grimoires I wrote back then and cannot help but gag. If magic exists, it’s something we have probably experienced by cannot explain, like waking up at a certain time of the night when a relative across the globe dies. I don’t buy into the hippie-dippie bullshit about the law of attraction or that having certain color candles on your alter will send forth corresponding symbolic intentions into the spirit realm and give you what you want. There are millions of colors humans can’t even process, how do you get a neopagan who buys into color symbolism to explain that?

As for astrology and tarot, it’s interesting to study the history of it but the people who practice it now without an iota of irony and cheekiness are absolute scammers and quacks.
 
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It's real to a degree (i.e: demons will always market themselves as being able to do more than they actually can), but it's demonic and no human should touch it. The angels taught it to the Babylonians:
"And whenever a Messenger from Allah came to them, confirming what they already possessed, a party of those who had been given the Scripture flung the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing, and then followed what the evil ones falsely attributed to the Kingdom of Solomon even though Solomon had never disbelieved; it is the evil ones who disbelieved, teaching people magic. And they followed what had been revealed to the two angels in Babylon – Harut and Marut – although these two (angels) never taught it to anyone without first declaring: “We are merely a means of testing people; so, do not engage in unbelief.” And yet they learned from them what might cause division between a man and his wife. They could not cause harm to anyone except by the leave of Allah, and still they learned what harmed rather than profited them, knowing well that he who bought it will have no share in the World to Come. Evil indeed is what they sold themselves for. Had they but known!" [Qur'an 2:101-102]
 
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A bit of a tricky question, depends on the definition and what you're referring to.
If you understand "magic" as mysterious or supernatural forces, and "supernatural" as beyond the laws of nature, then no. However that creates an irrefutable point, if we establish that anything that can exist is bound by the laws of nature, then nothing escapes it.

The problem of consciousness and qualia, for example? To some that could be considered "magic", it has not been sufficiently explained and probably never will.
Why does the universe works like this? Why does matter react in the way it does? There's no logic behind it, and it's also a problem (seemingly supernatural) the example of a universe that existed since forever, as well as a universe that started to exist.

But you don't seem to be asking for that, more about the mentioned stuff about ghosts, Tarot, etc.
Then no, and it's usually (in my opinion and experience) believed by shady people wanting to make a buck out of it, ignorant ones that fall for it, imaginative people who don't take these things seriously in the first place (brings comfort/fun for them, and don't really care about examining the veracity of it), crazy ones, deluded, and the rest that don't fall in these categories.

Same with psychics, spiritual healers, etc... it's often nonsense aimed at gaining profit through the ignorance of others.
In fact as some trivia, some people dedicated great resources to attempt to pursue the truth in regards to this, James Randi and his foundation had the "One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge", now terminated. Needless to say, no one passed, and all televised instances I had the pleasure of watching, resulted in great embarrassment by the supposed psychic. You can also find him debunking a bunch of them on old archives in Youtube.
 
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I've practiced some spiritualism, and do things like tarot for free for people, but I always warn them to take it with a grain of salt. I tell them that this should be used for self reflection as opposed to a definitive end result or way to live your life. People have free will, and very few things will be predestined.

I also think that it's foolish for people to meddle with spiritual things. There's so many scams and misinformation (just look up aura color meanings; There's no rhyme or reason) that you'd have to study pre-internet books just to have a chance. Then, you're banking on not messing up and becoming some demon's bitch. What's the point?

I'll stick to my meditations and mild practice. Stuff like preparing a medicine bag or protective charm.
 
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OP, magic and the supernatural are not real. Period.

We Are The Witches said:
A bit of a tricky question, depends on the definition and what you're referring to.
If you understand "magic" as mysterious or supernatural forces, and "supernatural" as beyond the laws of nature, then no. However that creates an irrefutable point, if we establish that anything that can exist is bound by the laws of nature, then nothing escapes it.
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Nothing exists in contradiction to the laws of nature - only in contradiction to what we thus far know of them.
 
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I want to believe in magic, just as much as I want to believe in ESP, telekinesis, ghosts, God, the afterlife, and all that other wonderful shit. I'd love to develop psychic abilities, I can imagine all sorts of spectacular uses for them.

Unfortunately I've never experienced one shred of evidence of any sort of supernatural activity. The closest experience I've had in my life of anything seemingly supernatural was bouts of sleep paralysis, in which I felt the classic feelings of being attacked by an unseen force. That stopped completely in my early 30s when I started sleeping with a lumbar support. Funny how that works.

I've spent nights in supposedly haunted houses - nothing. I've lit candles and looked in mirrors and recited all manner of nonsense - nothing. I've read all sorts of spell books including Crowley's "Book of the Law" and tried spells from them - nothing. If supernatural events exist, I haven't experienced them.
 
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I don't think this is exactly magic, but I think you can achieve more than you would otherwise if you know how to constructively focus your will. If you acknowledge that you are the ultimate arbiter of your mortal fate and act accordingly (I.E. don't be a complete shithead) shit will probably turn out better for you. And if you maintain a positive mindset while trying to overcome a challenge the universe might even lighten things up for you from time to time.
 
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Crysocyan said:
Ok Scholastic prove how a man can rise from the dead. Also cure original sin right now
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The first never happened and the second is not a real thing.

SpergPatrol said:
It's a thread asking if you believed in it not asking if it was real.

The real magic is how you misread that somehow as me wanting to shove a unicorn up my ass
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I want you to go back and read - really read - what you just wrote.
 
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