Divinity 3 - The man with the most friends is the man with many cheeses!

[Dante Alighieri]

For all the faggots who needed adult supervision to watch the trailer, it's blatantly obvious the hedonism and sadism of the town is frowned upon given their ultimate fate and the juxtapositions present, for example, there's a moment in 2:00 where there's a little girl hanging above her mother cheering and clapping and right after the scene cuts to the man screaming in pain while his skin melts.

The wages of sin is death

 

[KifflomKween]

It's like Cuties. The movie theoretically deplored child exploitation but it spent time lavishly display exactly the thing they actually condemned.

This is my take as well. It's not that the trailer presents the Satanic orgy with children watching as a good thing per se. And, like Cuties, it may even nominally/superficially be saying "This obviously bad thing is bad, actually!"

But, what did the movie actually consist of? 90 minutes of kids twerking and stuff, right? People didn't tune in to learn a valuable lesson that children aren't sex objects. They tuned in to watch children *be* sex objects.

Likewise, here, everyone ends up dying as a result of their human sacrifice festival. Granted. But what did you actually consume as entertainment? Interspecies sex, vomiting into a pig's mouth, a man agonizingly burnt alive, etc.

It all exists, like Cuties or monkey torture videos, not for any sincere moral lesson or to contrast with an (unseen) greater good, but to titillate and arouse people with the depraved acts on screen that they enjoy intrinsically.

Pretty much. There's quite a few examples of this... they are more subtle in DOS II, but in BG3 there are some blatant moments... there are for one characters that are sort of... "excused" for horrendous actions (ie Minthara, and you even get that one 69 scene), ShadowHeart (I'm gonna get hate for this one... but like Minthara and Lohse to some extent there's the "i was possessed/mind controlled/whatever" excuse)... in BG3 you get to slaughter all those kids in the grove and see them dead. Or then you get to do that in Last Light Inn. You also get to kill goblin kids. And kill that one gith egg. Lots of dead kids in these games... Wasn't there a basement in DOS II full of ghosts of abused dead kids as well?


Or that pretty graphic scene where Orin slits the throat of that kid who comes to your camp?


Gortash being sold by his parents to Raphael and presumably abused?


Then you have that little girl in DOS II who was possessed by demons and that you can save, and in BG3 Astarion kidnaps a bunch of kids into a vampire sex cult.

...and the hag who literally eats children but okay sure Grimm folklore or whatever, except that if you always help her she sends you a letter saying she wants to "climb you like a tree"..., Raphael telling Mol she's like a "flower waiting to be plucked" or something...

... and then there's that one cursed dead kid in Cazador's mansion...

And then ShadowHeart's father turning into "a wolf" who chases her through a forest, and she's "saved" by a cult, and the good ending is her forgiving her parents, in fact the whole story makes you feel very guilty for not helping them. Pious people, who turn into wolves, and all kids in the cult have to undergo that kind of ritual... okay, read in between the lines.... her whole goth girl with daddy issues character was built to titillate nerds, now tell me that isn't true.

And then in both games the creepy toy maker, and in BG3 he hides explosives in children's toys, and there's a store where they sell explosives/fireworks to children. Although you can blow it up into the stratosphere and that's one of the most fun parts of the game imo

Mizora preying on Will when he's a teen and the whole sexual tone between them... okay, could excuse that one sort of is this "cougar who gets wet at violence" character trope didn't appear so much.

The "mind controlled/possessed woman who is good if only she is shown the light" thing is a big trope in this game apparently... Lohse, ShadowHeart, Minthara, Laezel, Karlach to a degree (she's basically Lohse 2.0), Bracchus' Rex's gf who turns into a skeleton and now worships the goddess or whatever (although you can kill her in a pretty funny way), Orin to a degree with the whole incest thing.

Also, that weird mad scientist guy in Fort Joy that when you look him he has 2 daggers, called Chastity and Abstinence, with this description:

"The encrusted blood still sticking to this dagger reminds you of something Mama always told you. Those who deny their appetites make up for them in other ways. One way or another, the blood will flow."

Political much? But hey you get to meet his mother and tell her she failed as a parent so that's funny.
And oh yeah there's also this one kid in said weirdo's basement.

And if you play as Durge in BG3 you can't tell me there isn't some obvious gore porn and titillation to the whole thing.

I'm forgetting some but as it is, it's quite the body count isn't it?

Idk. Just strikes me as weird, is all. Raising awareness for child abuse? Sure, that's one thing, another is showing dead kids repeatedly, showing kids being killed, showing kids who were abused and forced to turn into vampires trying to drink your blood, being rewarded with an explicit sex scene with a woman who gets wet at the thought of slaughtering a bunch of kids and their parents... that's a bit odd.


I have a weird feeling about this one. I think it might be pretty cool gameplay wise, but story wise...? I definitely think that whatever weirdness is under the surface is def going to come out in full force because as others said they are emboldened after BG3's success.


I could be wrong! We'll see, in time. All I am saying is... there's def some questionably writing choices and it's more than just a one off thing.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

in BG3 you get to slaughter all those kids in the grove and see them dead. Or then you get to do that in Last Light Inn. You also get to kill goblin kids. And kill that one gith egg. Lots of dead kids in these games... Wasn't there a basement in DOS II full of ghosts of abused dead kids as well?

Are we really going back to "killing children in games is satanic"? Especially when all those examples are in evil playthroughs that most players would never see and the game actively discourages.

 

[Kerr Avon]

Karlach to a degree (she's basically Lohse

Ironic since Mizora’s voice actress was also Lohse. Shame she never got to sing in BG3

 

[Estate]

@KifflomKween shut up, faggot.
You talk like a redditor in 2006, and you also space like a redditor, you fucking nigger.

It's a ROLE PLAYING game, and you are given options.
Just like you can choose not to engage in faggot sex, you can also choose not to harm kids.

I've played almost all Larian games, and I don't remember ever seeing a scene of me kissing some dude or harming a kid, because I didn't pick that.
You can pearl clutch that the option is there, but I would rather a game give me a lot of different choices, then hold my hand or restrict me.
If you don't get what I'm saying, go play the latest entry in the Dragon Age series and try to get rid of the faggots.

 

[KifflomKween]

Are we really going back to "killing children in games is satanic"? Especially when all those examples are in evil playthroughs that most players would never see and the game actively discourages.

Does it? Are you sure? Don't evil playthroughs/choices get you some of the horniest sex scenes though? Minthara, Haarlep, Astarion (yes I know you can romance him on a good run, but far easier on an evil one), just to name a few.


Just saying "oh this is so bad and mean" doesn't mean it's discouraging you. It's the same logic as showing everyone in that party in the trailer burning but before that showing all that partying and orgy and whatever.

And your comment is retarded. You don't need to do an evil run to see Orin slit some child's throat. It's pretty much forced on you if you leave Laezel in the camp in Act 3, which you most likely do if you are doing a good run. Among so many other things I mentioned, which are built in the plot regardless of your morality. But you only cherry picked part of what I said.

 

[Estate]

And your comment is retarded. You don't need to do an evil run to see Orin slit some child's throat. It's pretty much forced on you if you leave Laezel in the camp in Act 3, which you most likely do if you are doing a good run. Among so many other things I mentioned, which are built in the plot regardless of your morality. But you only cherry picked part of what I said.

No dipshit.
There's a list of companions that get kidnapped and a priority. Laezel > Halsin > Gale something like that.
If they're dead or in your party, the little girl gets kidnapped and she gets killed if you fuck up the rolls or if you don't taunt Orin or if you don't go 1vs1 with her.
So, there's a lot of IFs before the scene you talk about, you disingenuous faggot.
How about play the game and not get your talking points from some jewtuber next time?

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

@KifflomKween Nah, I get the impression that you only know Larian games from /v/ memes. You can't even get basic facts about the story right. Play the game first.

Edit: Holy fuck, how quickly can you react to a comment? It was literally in less than 5 seconds from when I posted.

 

[Jace on ice]

No dipshit.
There's a list of companions that get kidnapped and a priority. Laezel > Halsin > Gale something like that.
If they're dead or in your party, the little girl gets kidnapped and she gets killed if you fuck up the rolls or if you don't taunt Orin or if you don't go 1vs1 with her.
So, there's a lot of IFs before the scene you talk about, you disingenuous faggot.
How about play the game and not get your talking points from some jewtuber next time?

It's actually Halsin, Gale, Minthara, Lazeal, in that order then whatever the little girl's name was.

Only reserve party members in the camp get kidnapped and only the one's on that list.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Yes i killed that child. He looked at me funny.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Does it? Are you sure? Don't evil playthroughs/choices get you some of the horniest sex scenes though? Minthara, Haarlep, Astarion (yes I know you can romance him on a good run, but far easier on an evil one), just to name a few.


Just saying "oh this is so bad and mean" doesn't mean it's discouraging you. It's the same logic as showing everyone in that party in the trailer burning but before that showing all that partying and orgy and whatever.

And your comment is retarded. You don't need to do an evil run to see Orin slit some child's throat. It's pretty much forced on you if you leave Laezel in the camp in Act 3, which you most likely do if you are doing a good run. Among so many other things I mentioned, which are built in the plot regardless of your morality. But you only cherry picked part of what I said.

Even on release with the more edgy grognards playing it still was overwhelmingly on the side of good, with normies playing it's probably even higher. And arguing evil actions are rewarded by rewards the player doesn't know of yet is retarded. Not to mention you can easily save the child from being sacrificed, which in itself is a failure of the player rather than something that should be strived for.

 

[N Space]

God blessed us with free will to be good for there's no holiness in the act of piety if it can't be refused.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

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Even on release with the more edgy grognards playing it still was overwhelmingly on the side of good, with normies playing it's probably even higher. And arguing evil actions are rewarded by rewards the player doesn't know of yet is retarded. Not to mention you can easily save the child from being sacrificed, which in itself is a failure of the player rather than something that should be strived for.

Screw you, there should be no bad consequences in video games because some people (chuds) will deliberately choose them. All games should be heckin wholesome like the greatest release of this century, Dragon Age Veilguard.

 

[Estate]

Sometimes they kill themselves.

HOW IS IT MY FAULT?!

God blessed us with free will to be good for there's no holiness in the act of piety if it can't be refused.

I agree, but let's also not forget it's a video game.

Screw you, there should be no bad consequences in video games because some people (chuds) will deliberately choose them. All games should be heckin wholesome like the greatest release of this century, Dragon Age Veilguard.

It's not even about consequences or whatever.
Sometimes being a dick, being evil, is just funny.
For example, in BG3, the first time I kicked the squirrel, or the first time I sent the windmill gnome flying, or the first time I left Volo to explode, I laughed my ass off, in part because it was surprising and in part because it was so absurd.
Some developers know this and give you those moments, while some are faggots and make you sit at a table and discuss pronouns.

 

[N Space]

I agree, but let's also not forget it's a video game.

It's just a metaphor, the point is that an RPG should have evil options so as to add weight to the good options. This is one reason why Veilguard was shit, because it forces you to be a goody boy instead of letting you choose to be one.

 

[StacticShock]

HOW IS IT MY FAULT?!

you didn't use speed potions.
also you blocked the child's pathing by keeping four fat asses in the way, so the kid decided to go through the deadly cloud of daggers because pathing...


next time MOVE YOUR FAT FUCKING ARSE, not even sanctuary would have saved the kid because area of effect damage can still hurt people under sanctuary buff.

 

[Estate]

you didn't use speed potions.
also you blocked the child's pathing by keeping four fat asses in the way, so the kid decided to go through the deadly cloud of daggers because pathing...
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next time MOVE YOUR FAT FUCKING ARSE, not even sanctuary would have saved the kid because area of effect damage can still hurt people under sanctuary buff.

Look on the bright side.
One less foul blood future criminal.