Disposable Vapes should be banned - A can of worms some gas station people may not be ready for.

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I am a fence-sitter on my approval of vaping as a vehicle for nicotine (or weed). On one hand, the convenience factor of the robo-cock is great, because your smoker employees now no longer have a valid reason to waste 10-15 minutes outside, when they can take a quick hit and get back to work, but on the other, it's extremely gay to vape, and frankly, smoking is cooler.

My real problem with vaping comes from the continued legal status of disposable vapes. They're non-refillable, extremely wasteful, there's no way to tell if the chinese liquid you're vaping has fentanyl in it, and I'm starting to see them as litter on the side of the road. This has to stop. It's a waste of lithium and a charge controller to buy something that you can recharge, that lasts only a week anyway.

Apparently, there are special trash cans you're supposed to throw these away at. I have never seen one, nor have I seen any vaper talk about one.
 
I literally see these everywhere on the floor while I walk now for a couple years. Disposable products that have lithium batteries inside is insane and I have no idea how that was ever not illegal.
 
Lovely, something I'm dealing with. I work in the industry.

To start with, the FDA is the cause of and utterly failed solution to most of what you've said here. Whatever your opinion on vapes is, the FDA drags their feet incessantly on this in a matter that pretty much tries to hand R.J. Reynolds, Alterion, and that other major company whose name I keep forgetting a monopoly on a market they were late to the game on. China gets on this shit simply because China doesn't have an FDA getting paid to be pissy about everything. It makes everything unironically suck that much harder and really outmoded true refillable devices as most of the good liquids got canned thanks to the fucking FDA. So all else considered, the gayness and waste factors are inflated to some degree thanks to that. Now let's get into the meat of the comment...
They're non-refillable, extremely wasteful...
So there are some more pod and tank-based models out there cutting down on the waste at least somewhat by having a separate battery and liquid system. Foggers are kinda doing this since they split the battery between a reusable thing and the tank, and if regulation wasn't rearing its butt-ugly head in my state I'd be picking up some X-posed devices that do something similar. I get the idea though, but I'd raise that the FDA being fuckups really helped kill the market for refillables for no real good reason.
...there's no way to tell if the chinese liquid you're vaping has fentanyl in it...
There is actually. Fifty Bar is selling themselves as a Made And Filled In America device and has been for a while. We'll see where that goes, but there is an option, and especially with the whole tariff thing going on, they were a good safe-bet for a device that'd stick around. Otherwise, most of the horror stories involved bootleg crap, always check for a QR code on nicotine devices. While there are ways to BS that, so far I haven't heard of it fucking up from distributor to retailer in the pipeline, it's generally retailers doing shady crap.
... and I'm starting to see them as litter on the side of the road.
No defense or comment. This is shitty behavior and people shouldn't do this.
This has to stop. It's a waste of lithium and a charge controller to buy something that you can recharge, that lasts only a week anyway.
This is one of the many reasons I loathe the FDA, because it's encouraging the states to do their jobs in the worst way possible. Puffcount on disposables has gone up quite a lot. Another model of device I was looking at acquiring were Adjust vapes. Aside from the multiple levels of flavor mod to add, they boasted a 40K puff count or something. Absolutely bonkers. Anyone going through that a week is doing some chain-smoking multiple-packs-a-day crap or deliberately running their devices inefficiently.
Disposable products that have lithium batteries inside is insane and I have no idea how that was ever not illegal.
Because the FDA is omega-gay and will defend even worse while trying to tar vaping. I am not kidding when I say the FDA basically made this problem with their dereliction of duty and byzantine PMTA processes.

As far as recommending it or not, none of this crap is healthy, but if you're smoking ciggies, this is healthier relatively speaking. I'd support people doing it if it's at the expense of Big Tobacco, but it's a vice and I'd represent it no other way.
 
your smoker employees now no longer have a valid reason
A valid reason?

You can make it not a valid reason, if you want to smoke outside of break time, then you don't get the job, simple. There are competent people that you can hire than don't need this shit.

And I say it having been to a job where workers did this, but if they told them to not do it (and they very well could), they would not risk unemployment.
 
A valid reason?

You can make it not a valid reason, if you want to smoke outside of break time, then you don't get the job, simple. There are competent people that you can hire than don't need this shit.

And I say it having been to a job where workers did this, but if they told them to not do it (and they very well could), they would not risk unemployment.

Smoke Breaks are like Tip Culture, in that they're not going away until it happens in one massive, coordinated, sweep. I've made peace with that (and also I abuse this system by taking fake smoke breaks).
 
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Smoke Breaks are like Tip Culture, in that they're not going away until it happens in one massive, coordinated sweep, I've made peace with that (and also I abuse this system by taking fake smoke breaks).
But what if you tell your employees that there's no smoking breaks? If you do that and get caught, you're fired.

I don't want their smelly with cigarette fingers and breath near my business. And I don't care if you eat a candy afterwards or use gloves.

What if I have that policy?
 
What if I have that policy?
Don't quote me, but I get a very vague feeling that this was litigated and the smokers won.

I think you can ration the breaks, but if they go on their break and smoke, you gotta deal.

Also something something chefs tend to be crazy smokers themselves above average, so a lot of people kinda put up with it as a result.
 
Part of me is always going to be biased because my mother moved from smoking to vaping and the fact her garage doesn't stink of nicotine is... preferable. That said...
For me, the part that chafes my ass is that you can't have a plastic straw but you're allowed to have a disposable vape and some of these things have fucking LED screens that light up and show animated images and shit. You're telling me I can't enjoy my fucking soda without it tasting like a fucking newspaper because of a fucking turtle (which isn't even in my region of the world), but someone can toss this shit...
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Don't quote me, but I get a very vague feeling that this was litigated and the smokers won.

I think you can ration the breaks, but if they go on their break and smoke, you gotta deal.

Also something something chefs tend to be crazy smokers themselves above average, so a lot of people kinda put up with it as a result.
Oh OK, I'm not from the US, but where I was working at previously, it would definitely be accepted to not let someone touch a cigarette, because they had to handle "special stuff".

It was even forbidden to carry a mobile phone inside the working area, so pretty much any restriction like that would be justified and no one would be able to say anything about it.
 
I'll second @An Idle Observer and say that the FDA fucked this all up. They killed the domestic liquid market with their retarded regulations. China helped by killing the mod/equipment market with knock-offs and IP theft. Their combined efforts got us to where we are today.

IMO, vaping was originally a fun hobby that got people off nicotine. I still remember the older gentleman who had smoked for 50+ years coming into a store bragging about quitting finally after trying multiple times unsuccessfully. Now it's just another vehicle for nicotine consumption.
 
There's no real way for me to prove this but I guarantee you that a lot of the random wildfires you see popping up in the modern era are due to disposable Vapes exploding wherever they're discarded
 
For me, the part that chafes my ass is that you can't have a plastic straw but you're allowed to have a disposable vape and some of these things have fucking LED screens that light up and show animated images and shit. You're telling me I can't enjoy my fucking soda without it tasting like a fucking newspaper because of a fucking turtle (which isn't even in my region of the world), but someone can toss this shit...
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... out their fucking car window?
You have every right to have a chafed ass sir. I might defend the premise but tertiary stupid is another matter entirely. I feel so bad for you for having the stupidity that is a paper straw...
Oh OK, I'm not from the US, but where I was working at previously, it would definitely be accepted to not let someone touch a cigarette, because they had to handle "special stuff".
That gets filed under justified excuses. As I said, this was a vague feeling at best, so do fact check me.

Either way, I'm presuming this is generic job in generic conditions, not someone working at DOW Chemical where residual smoke might cause some terrible reaction. So what exactly is that default state of legal being for the smoker going on his break and lighting one up?
Public intoxication is disgusting, and with alcohol it's looked down upon, if not illegal depending on your area. So why do we permit smoking?
Alcoholism generally comes with a lot of extra effects thanks to it being a sedative. Man smoking cigarette is pretty self-contained unless he's being an ass with the smoke. I'd give you more of a point if smoking sections and whatnot were still common, but by now pretty much everyone wants them to butt out, to the point in some places where it's outright safetyism. I'm dealing with flavor and device bans that make no sense currently. Not because there's not shitty companies, but because the state's pretty nakedly trying to get people to think of the children while they go after people trying to deal yet again.
 
They killed the domestic liquid market with their retarded regulations. China helped by killing the mod/equipment market with knock-offs and IP theft. Their combined efforts got us to where we are today.
Double-post I know, but it needs stating. My shop used to go with The Vapor Chef for liquids, good shit, and I could get 50/50 PG/VG ratios that burned better in weaker pen mods. I remember there being some drama bullshit, but the liquid spoke for itself as far as I'm concerned. Then the FDA happened...

I really... really... really fucking hate the FDA.
 
Alcoholism generally comes with a lot of extra effects thanks to it being a sedative. Man smoking cigarette is pretty self-contained unless he's being an ass with the smoke. I'd give you more of a point if smoking sections and whatnot were still common, but by now pretty much everyone wants them to butt out, to the point in some places where it's outright safetyism. I'm dealing with flavor and device bans that make no sense currently. Not because there's not shitty companies, but because the state's pretty nakedly trying to get people to think of the children while they go after people trying to deal yet again.
You're getting the stick!
 
Yeah, disposable vapes are an abomination of wastefulness and should 100% not exist. But vapes in general are actually pretty good. Means you can be addicted to nicotine without getting lung cancer.

I suspect a lot of the people who really hate vapes are approaching it from a neo-Puritan mindset, they're appalled by the idea of someone indulging in a "vice" without a "punishment". Because otherwise, I'm really not sure what the logic behind being upset that a less harmful nicotine delivery mechanism now existing would be.
 
Vapes are for faggots. No one looks cool sucking on a vape. Why suck on a robot cock when you could smoke a cigarette? Vape users can blow epic plumes in the gas chamber in the MAGA concentration camps.
 
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You're getting the stick!
Would you believe I don't even do any of this stuff? Yeah. My lungs aren't the greatest so I don't vape or smoke anything.

Give the stick to R.J. Reynolds. They're the fags in this situation, both regular and in Britbong.
Because otherwise, I'm really not sure what the logic behind being upset that a less harmful nicotine delivery mechanism now existing would be.
False ideas it's less healthy, no shortage of which come from truth.org kind of places. On the CBD/Delta/Weed end of things, there was a fake cart scandal that made the news because teens (Automatic priming to think of the children) were choking and dying ("OMG kids dying horribly!?!") after vaping. (Pedantically correct, leaves out the context that these were fake carts using not-safe-to-vape filler chemicals.) So most people worried about muh children kinda have it in their heads that vaping is this ultra evil industry filled with people who just want to get YOUR kid addicted to a cancer stick (How DARE you not be against that!) instead of a few big players with all the incentive to be shit and a litany of small guys who will get taken out first.

"And-a hidey-lidey-lidey and a hidey-lidey-lay, we work and we make cig-a-rettes all hidey-lidey-day..."
 
Either way, I'm presuming this is generic job in generic conditions, not someone working at DOW Chemical where residual smoke might cause some terrible reaction. So what exactly is that default state of legal being for the smoker going on his break and lighting one up?
Well they could go out and smoke, but if the policy said otherwise, here they would have to comply.

The job wasn't that generic, and the problem wouldn't be accidents by reactions, but because the product is very valuable and "esteemed" let's say :story:. So if they wanted that excuse, they would have been able to put that restriction, easily.

But I get that maybe it's different in the US.
 
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