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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%
  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%
  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%

  • Total voters
    1,578
thinking a bit about Uncle Walt canon gals, Tinkerbell was under his watch
was going through the old "here's vaguely winter shit compiled with Jiminy Cricket so Christmas or something" and serious Tinkerbell's animation in that one sequence alone is like, a big old helping of, anime-grade "heh we're not being lewd, that's just a totally normal position that chicks end up in"
I know there's the legends of the one dude who animated Mickey And Minny humping and Walt was all "hahaha that's hilarious you're fired." but what's some other arguments for him going full tezukaperv
He had a thing for butt jokes. Ward Kimball said as much.
 
Ron's Gone Wrong was funny to me. The titular robot is like an asshole Number 5.
Ron was literally what Baymax was created to be like, but Baymax's novelty wore off pretty quickly because Hiro wasn't a good character/foil for him. Ron works because Barney was his perfect equal, much like how Toothless works because Hiccup was his perfect equal, and vice-versa, something that Big Hero 6 didn't get.

Seriously, I still believe Big Hero 6 doesn't feel like a Disney movie. It felt like a HTTYD ripoff, it being a Marvel-lite movie doesn't help.
 
Call me crazy and it’s probably unlikely, but I could very well see Pixar spinning off from Disney and become a independent studio again if this intensifies.
 
Also I'm still pissed at Big Hero 6 for diverging from the illegal underground robot battle rings very quickly to become Teenage Superhero Team #X.
 
Agreed. I remember seeing some of the concept art and thinking how great the movie could be and yet it turned into a very basic superhero flick. (Though killing off Tadashi like that was pretty bold).

It seems a lot of these well hand drawn concept arts for these films just end up losing their magic once they get made into 3d...
 
Nope. Concept art is still better. Call me a boomer or old-fashioned, but there's a certain.....plasticity that impacts even some of the best CG Disney movies (Tangled, Moana). It's like they stretched skin over an animatronic that's just a bit too human-like. Pixar doesn't have that problem - most of the time (Toy Story humans, I'm looking squarely at you) - because they either don't have human characters in their movies, or they look cartoony enough to escape the Uncanny Valley. Zootopia and Wreck-it Ralph have the same benefit.
Yeah, I can agree that the expressions weren't pushed enough. Tangled had the advantage of Glen Keane.

2D has the advantage where it's faster to shit out a quick sketch that shows more emotion. 2D animators basically need more skills since they have to know posing and anatomy. You basically need less people to the same job that 3D animation needs.
 
Yeah, I can agree that the expressions weren't pushed enough. Tangled had the advantage of Glen Keane.

2D has the advantage where it's faster to shit out a quick sketch that shows more emotion. 2D animators basically need more skills since they have to know posing and anatomy. You basically need less people to the same job that 3D animation needs.
Certainly shows on screen.
 
It is interesting to hear what others think of modern-Disney. Personally, I would say my favorites came from this era. Tangled and Ralph were easily some of Disney’s best to me, and Frozen had Anna who was a strong protagonist in a film with a lot of issues.

I honestly feel like Disney gave up on animation half-way through the decade. They started out strong, but I believe they shifted once Marvel and Star Wars were acquired and making money. Why try with the animation division when soy shit sells way better? After Big Hero 6, it felt hard to remember what Disney animation came out in a year, if any, with exception to Moana and Zootopia. Then again, I feel like animated pictures got sidelined hard in general post-2015. I used to be able to list them, now I can maybe name one new feature from a year.
 
I wonder if Disney is going to have 20th Century reissue their Touchstone and Hollywood Pictures catalogs now or not.
Considering what they did to Splash, I'd rather not have them reissue anything.

For context, this is the original scene:

Can't show a few seconds of a woman's raw booty to the kiddies!

Bisexual teenagers though? Totes OK, YAAAAAS QUEEN!

NO, you dirty Rat, you can't have it both ways. Either both are OK to show, or neither are.
 
Considering what they did to Splash, I'd rather not have them reissue anything.
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For context, this is the original scene:
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Can't show a few seconds of a woman's raw booty to the kiddies!

Bisexual teenagers though? Totes OK, YAAAAAS QUEEN!

NO, you dirty Rat, you can't have it both ways. Either both are OK to show, or neither are.
Why are they still kissing it's ass the show has been cancelled. Disney probably doesn't want to make any.ore stinkers like that again
 
It seems a lot of these well hand drawn concept arts for these films just end up losing their magic once they get made into 3d...

Honestly, it's probably because 3D animation isn't made for the squash and stretching traditional animation can bring since they're models being rigged. And traditional animations actually benefits from imperfection.

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The best examples I can think of come from the old Simpsons (done cel-shaded) compared to the new Simpsons. And Sailor Moon.

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old vs new.

Notice how stiff the new looks? With the pacing deliberately made so that it saves as few animation frames as possible? This is the problem of the modern. Everything looks prettier and cleaner, but at the expense of the actual animation and character.

The allowance to go off-model (and animate fully) makes for more dynamic poses which we can understand and relate to because of the extremity. It doesn't matter if the inbetweens are ugly or distorted because the final animation puts the point across. The newer one, while cleaner to look at, has stiffer proportions. But it makes prettier gifs.

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Do you believe Belle's disgust more over Elsa's laugh? They each have the appropriate moving parts, but does one seem stiffer than the other? Elsa sure looks prettier and cleaner, you can tell she's "giggling", but there's also a definite uncannyness about it. Without any imperfections due to the natural human nature of animation (lines wiggle, pencil scratches show up for split seconds, the body distorts), it comes off as stiff because it's almost too perfect.

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Of course, some people aren't bothered by this in the slightest, but if you'd wondering why you feel 3D has this fake plasticity to it, it could be because you're noticing it's without imperfections, dynamic expressions/poses, and the rigging has confined it into never exceeding itself lest it break. Whereas traditional animation...

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I doubt we'll every see the extreme poses Gaston has made again, but you sure do feel them sometimes. Just like the concept art of 3D films. You feel and relate to them more because it's imperfect but also dynamic. But as @cactus has pointed out, it's way cheaper to do 3D films than traditional animation. Despite the introduction of the Cintiq, you still need some talent to be able to keep your characters somewhat on model, lest you end up with the Steven Universe problem.

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3D you can copy the rigging on the model for multiple animators to work on, so it's not as big of a deal. So why pay for traditional animation anymore when you can get some college level kids to do the work and have the budget be significantly less for a faster product. After all, this is the age of Consoom. Just Consoom movie and movie products and get excited for next movie project by Company. Instead of waiting years between projects because animation takes time.

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Couple days late, but this was in response to Disney pulling Turning Red from theaters. Take it with a grain of salt, though, but wouldn't be surprised by this. Who was the one to say Bob Chapek was gonna be the fall guy, 'cause I think you're on to something.
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Well we might be starting to see the beginnings of that now.

As you can imagine, EmpireCityBO is less than surprised.
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Honestly, it's probably because 3D animation isn't made for the squash and stretching traditional animation can bring since they're models being rigged
Blue Sky perfected 3D squash-and-stretch with Horton Hears a Who.
So it's perfectly doable, but Disney doesn't do that for "realism".
 
Honestly, it's probably because 3D animation isn't made for the squash and stretching traditional animation can bring since they're models being rigged. And traditional animations actually benefits from imperfection.

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The best examples I can think of come from the old Simpsons (done cel-shaded) compared to the new Simpsons. And Sailor Moon.

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old vs new.

Notice how stiff the new looks? With the pacing deliberately made so that it saves as few animation frames as possible? This is the problem of the modern. Everything looks prettier and cleaner, but at the expense of the actual animation and character.

The allowance to go off-model (and animate fully) makes for more dynamic poses which we can understand and relate to because of the extremity. It doesn't matter if the inbetweens are ugly or distorted because the final animation puts the point across. The newer one, while cleaner to look at, has stiffer proportions. But it makes prettier gifs.

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Do you believe Belle's disgust more over Elsa's laugh? They each have the appropriate moving parts, but does one seem stiffer than the other? Elsa sure looks prettier and cleaner, you can tell she's "giggling", but there's also a definite uncannyness about it. Without any imperfections due to the natural human nature of animation (lines wiggle, pencil scratches show up for split seconds, the body distorts), it comes off as stiff because it's almost too perfect.

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Of course, some people aren't bothered by this in the slightest, but if you'd wondering why you feel 3D has this fake plasticity to it, it could be because you're noticing it's without imperfections, dynamic expressions/poses, and the rigging has confined it into never exceeding itself lest it break. Whereas traditional animation...

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I doubt we'll every see the extreme poses Gaston has made again, but you sure do feel them sometimes. Just like the concept art of 3D films. You feel and relate to them more because it's imperfect but also dynamic. But as @cactus has pointed out, it's way cheaper to do 3D films than traditional animation. Despite the introduction of the Cintiq, you still need some talent to be able to keep your characters somewhat on model, lest you end up with the Steven Universe problem.

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3D you can copy the rigging on the model for multiple animators to work on, so it's not as big of a deal. So why pay for traditional animation anymore when you can get some college level kids to do the work and have the budget be significantly less for a faster product. After all, this is the age of Consoom. Just Consoom movie and movie products and get excited for next movie project by Company. Instead of waiting years between projects because animation takes time.

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If only I could rate a post Winner more than once or give you a Semper Fi, because you hit the nail squarely on the head.
Blue Sky perfected 3D squash-and-stretch with Horton Hears a Who.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YerKqpdJnvcSo it's perfectly doable, but Disney doesn't do that for "realism".
See also, Dreamworks' Madagascar.
 
The Omicron variant will have probably peaked long before the film releases. I get why they're doing this, but I don't see why they couldn't have just pushed the release date to April instead.
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I swear, if they were scared shitless of Sonic 2's competition...
 
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