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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%
  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%
  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%

  • Total voters
    1,578
Imagine if they had actually kept the nightmare fuel model of Sonic.
It amazes me every day that not only did the team behind the movie listen to fan feedback, they did it in a way that cost them millions of dollars. And it paid off immensely too, with the first movie being the highest-grossing movie based on a video game ever (with the sequel more than likely to surpass that). It's almost like those "manbaby chud" fans will actually go out to watch your shit if you listen to them instead of calling them derogatory names! What a concept!
 
It amazes me every day that not only did the team behind the movie listen to fan feedback, they did it in a way that cost them millions of dollars. And it paid off immensely too, with the first movie being the highest-grossing movie based on a video game ever (with the sequel more than likely to surpass that). It's almost like those "manbaby chud" fans will actually go out to watch your shit if you listen to them instead of calling them derogatory names! What a concept!
IIRC, it was the braindead execs pushing the uncanny valley Sonic against the wishes of… literally everyone working on the movie. They used the disastrous reaction to the trailer as leverage to get the vision they actually wanted.
 
Blue Sky perfected 3D squash-and-stretch with Horton Hears a Who.
So it's perfectly doable, but Disney doesn't do that for "realism".
See also, Dreamworks' Madagascar.

Well, the one thing you can give Blue Sky and Dreamworks is that they were very smart in their models and rigging to give it a style so years after the fact, you don't notice the age as much. Horton Hears a Who was released in 2008/ Madagascar in 2005, and you honestly probably couldn't tell unless you looked it up. Sure, the emo kid in Horton is a giveaway that some things really do not age well, but if you turned it on today it's still as enjoyable. It's like replaying an old video game. You probably chuckle at the "outdated" graphics, but if the story's engaging, you don't care.

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Disney films (and now even Pixar) seemed to have stagnated on going for timeless and instead have pushed towards "prettiest" and "most generically appealing". As much as Moana is a very pretty movie, the lack of dynamic poses once again holds it back.

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I like Moana too, but you can really feel the wind in Pocahontas' hair. Moana's is more realistic and impressive, but can you really say sometimes you've never felt like COLOURS OF THE WIIIIIND on certain fall days? The exaggeration tends to click with more people because in your mind, you are Pocahontas on those days, when the reality is you probably look like Moana.

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Again, the water physics in Moana are amazing. It looks like a real beach you'd find in the Pacific. And yet, Stitch's contentment and relaxation from the ocean is emoted better, despite being in a simpler background. Disney does good jobs on their 3D movies, but traditional still holds a high place in people's library because even in a simple collection of moving images, you know what is going on and what emotions are on display in a few frames.

What I think is the problem is animators seem to only do a couple classes, or maybe a year of traditional animation to understand the basics of squash and stretch motions. But then they go full into 3D without ever thinking about it again. Or their references are only other 3D films, and those seem to be more on the technical aspects. I remember the bragging about "snow physics" in frozen, as if that's what should be so impressive instead of maybe, idk, telling a better story. And the push for better special effects over character animation feels like it's beginning to show the more, which in turn is going to date your movies when better effects come out.

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Frozen's is already starting to look a bit dated, whereas Hunchback doesn't. In 10 years time, Frozen will probably look "ugly" to kids, while Hunchback retains a timelessness.

Just like video games, going for the "prettiest" game and graphics over story is where properties seem to be failing hard these days. Toy story 2 came out in 1999 and it still holds up, no matter what it looks like.

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Write a timeless story, have an understanding of the techniques of traditional animation, and you'll probably have success. Focus on pushing graphics engines or "stories that won't offend anyone" with plastic rigging, and you'll see those movies be forgotten about until Buzzfeed writes "Remember These 2010 Movies?" and then you'll forget about them again in a month.
 
Well, the one thing you can give Blue Sky and Dreamworks is that they were very smart in their models and rigging to give it a style so years after the fact, you don't notice the age as much. Horton Hears a Who was released in 2008/ Madagascar in 2005, and you honestly probably couldn't tell unless you looked it up.
Unfortunately Madagascar has shown its age because it was improved immensely graphically with the sequel.
 
Unfortunately Madagascar has shown its age because it was improved immensely graphically with the sequel.
Probably because the hard part was already done. They already settled on a good stylized look for the the environments and characters, so fuck it: why not just make it prettier? Add some more effects here, some better texturing there, schootz up the human characters to bring them in line stylistically with everything else, and badda bing badda boom, you got a movie.
 
So it's perfectly doable, but Disney doesn't do that for "realism".
Disney lacks a good realistic style. Their backgrounds are gorgeous, but the characters are always generic cartoon figures. If we are talking about "realism" for animation, then I believe Shrek perfected that over a decade ago. For a more detailed and realistic style, Shrek surprisingly holds up in quality, not aging too terribly. Okay, maybe the first can be rough in some places, but the sequels are still pretty. It is hard to tell that Shrek 2-4 are older pictures.
 
I'm really surprise that the Disney company so far hasn't tried to push the US government to increase the copyright expiration date since Joe Biden became president.
They would have done it under Trump, and it's more of a liability than it was back in 1998.

Disney used to have allies in the copyright fight, like the Gershwin estate, but there aren't any allies on that front anymore. That, plus I think they came to the realization they can just enforce their trademarks instead.
 
I'm really surprise that the Disney company so far hasn't tried to push the US government to increase the copyright expiration date since Joe Biden became president.
Mickey: Joe, c'mon, extend the expiration date, or I'm gonna be in the public domain for the filthy PLEBS to leech off of!
Joe: Why, of course, Bugs, I'd love to extend the expiration date for milk, but I dunno if that's really healthy for your body.....
Mickey: The COPYRIGHT expiration date, Joe! And for the last goddamn time, I'm not Bugs Bunny! I'm MICKEY. MOUSE. Now just SIGN. THE. DAMN. PAPER.
Joe: ......wait. What were we talking about again?
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