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Jet Fuel Johnny said:
My local Wal-Mart has embarked upon a devilish plan.

Now, PL: I'm Midwest near a military base, so you have a ton of Dependapotomuses around, and the typical Midwest fatties. (Which have NOTHING on West Coast fatties, despite the sneering) I'm old and busted up, so I'm used to seeing fatties sprint for the fucking scooters while I'm slowly limping my way over to them and then give me a smug little smirk as the putt putt by me on the last scooter. Yes, they will actually fucking do their best to run to the scooter if they see someone with a cane limping toward them.

At the Wal-Mart, you only find the fat people who have given up on the scooters, old people, or people that got busted up. Being around a military base, a lot of the guys have pride and you'll see dudes with a cast walking instead of scooty puffing. Old people usually have their canes with them on the carts. But the fat people, holy fuck, entitled assholes. I've had a fatty wheezingly ask me if I was going to be shopping much longer because they wanted my scooter. Yeah, I am. Fuck off, Fatso. Now I'm shopping twice as long and will take a nap in the storeroom in the scooter with my feet on another scooter, you fat asshole.

But one thing that fats do is they absolutely DESTROY the scooters. They blow out the axles, the bushings, destroy the motor. They squeak, squeal, and lurch, usually wobbling because fat people have destroyed stainless steel parts.

Fats also hate it when old people or busted up people use the scooters, because, like everything else, scooters are for FAT PEOPLE NOT YOU because they want them. (Fats are greedy about everything)

Our local Wal-Mart has replaced their old busted out, wobbling, lurching, squealing carts with new carts with a 350lb limit or an alarm goes off to let the person know the cart is overloaded and you need to request someone to push a normal cart around for you.

Which means the fatties sit in them and the alarm starts going off. The look of shock on their face when they're told "I'm sorry, but store policy places a weight limit on customers allowed to use the carts." There are two MASSIVE carts, that look like wheeled thrones with a little basket on the front, that beep whether its in forward or backward mode. It's got yellow flashers on it too.

When you see the fat people in them, they look crushed. Just slowly... and I mean SLOWLY moving forward, with the scooter giving this muted 'beep beep beep' like it's warning you, the whole time the yellow wide load flashers are going on.

It's because too many fatties damaged the carts, as well as being so fat that when they stood up on the cart to grab something, the cart fell over, and they fucking sued. Insurance went up. So the local Wal-Mart got new carts for 'plus sized individuals'.

Suddenly, I'm seeing a lot less fats and the carts are available for normal people.

Interesting thing, I saw this absolute unit of a dude in uniform. He looked like someone put BDU's on a fucking grizzly bear. Dude was obviously muscular, and his leg was in a heavy duty cast. He was able to sit in the normal cart, there was just a Wal-Mart worker following him with a cart and putting his selections in the cart they were pushing.

Wal-Mart and the like will go out of their way for people, but I think Corporate is getting tired of the fatties wrecking expensive machines and suing when they use them improperly and fall.

Still, I love seeing some fatass in the Lard Throne, slowly moving down the aisle, the lights flashing and the muted beep beep beep. They always look sad and embarrassed.

It's fucking glorious.
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This is an excellent Veterans Day story, thank you
 
Last week, I went to my favorite Japanese buffet. It has really nice food like sushi and fried Asian food. Most of the restaurant-goers are medium-to-skinny sized Asians or Europeans, including me. I was on my way back to my seat after filling my plate when I saw a table, about 5x5 feet in dimension, with not an inch of the tabletop showing because the whole thing was covered in plates practically overflowing with food. There must have been like 10 plates. It was practically a smaller buffet... at a buffet. One of the plates even had a mountain of lemon slices? It was so bizarre. And nobody was sitting there, so whoever it belonged to was probably gone getting MORE food. Mind you, normally even the most gluttonous person at this restaurant only consumes about 3 full plates of food.

Anyway, I sat down with my own plate and I was quite eager to see what large family or single monstrously-sized person would come and sit down to eat all of this food. I was not disappointed.

This massive, MASSIVE woman stumbled over with another plate in each hand, smaller but still planet-sized husband in tow. She was probably about 500 or 600 pounds and her husband probably at 400. It was a wonder that she could walk on her own. She was kind of tan so I assumed she was Middle Eastern. She was wearing an atrocious baby pink body suit made of some cheap and clingy material, which showed every roll and dimple. At one point I had to pass her to get dessert and her rolls were all spread across the whole restaurant booth and she looked like a blob of pink icing. Her face was melting into the pink. And half the plates were empty?! I couldn't believe that two people were capable of eating so much. Sitting down, she was also as wide as the table was. I cannot fathom how someone can be 5 feet WIDE.

And even with all of that food spread right in front of her, her face still looked miserable and lifeless.
 
600lbs black man, wider than he was tall. Moderate retardation from being drug baby, really strong fetal alcohol syndrome face but I wonder if he had Prader-Willie.... I watched him drink 4L of soda and 5 family-sized bags of chips in one sitting while laughing at Fortnite youtubers on his phone. Did this happy-dance (squirming, smacking lips, slapping table) while eating that made me feel like I was becoming more racist just by witnessing it.... Chewed with his mouth open and making noises, farted and burped openly, wore baggy pants somehow despite being over 600lbs.

Had an impressive arrest record but always let free because of being retarded. Just had everything handed to him, food trough always kept full, lived off handouts from various sources, wasn't his own guardian. Literally the same amount of income as I had at the time from working part-time taking care of people like him. Probably needed to live in a group home, but none would take him with such violence issues. Probably a good candidate for the oft-longed for long-term asylums.

I lost contact with his case when he fled the police, and they couldn't track him down despite being large enough to view with the naked eye from the ISS. Again, I think he was lying about how retarded he really was, I think he was just actually evil in a carnal, immoral, gluttonous way. I have nightmares about having a child like that.
 
There are enough deathfats showing up at the hospital here for CTs and the like that there is a very well established and practiced protocol for sending them to another specific facility that has equipment large and sturdy enough to handle their girth. The facility in question provides veterinary care for goddamn orca whales, but they take diagnostic imaging for human landwhales far more often than for the literal whales. I'd like to point out to everyone that CT machines and their ilk have been made larger and larger over the years in order to accommodate fatfucks, yet there are enough deathfats that even the woman checking them in knows immediately from habit to make a note for the doc that someone needs to make a phone call to the whale vets.

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Nonconsentual Pronouns said:
There are enough deathfats showing up at the hospital here for CTs and the like that there is a very well established and practiced protocol for sending them to another specific facility that has equipment large and sturdy enough to handle their girth. The facility in question provides veterinary care for goddamn orca whales, but they take diagnostic imaging for human landwhales far more often than for the literal whales. I'd like to point out everyone that CT machines and their ilk have been made larger and larger over the years in order to accommodate fatfucks, yet there are enough deathfats that even the woman checking them in knows immediately from habit to make a note for the doc that someone needs to make a phone call to the whale vets.
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Who knew that the writers on Scrubs were in fact fortune tellers?
 
I was in the checkout line at Walgreen’s when I saw two of the fattest and loudest Mexican kids I’d ever seen in my life. A brother and sister, playing tag around the checkout line, struggling to waddle after each other. The pair were so out of breath while playing, I honestly thought they would suffer some sort of attack and die right there. The mom would try to corral them and get them to stop running waddling around hurriedly to no avail. The boy would yell and almost break down into tears whenever she told him to calm down.

All I could think was “single mother moment”.
 
This happened to me today and ngl fam, I am still kind of irked about it. I went to the grocery and it's a smaller one with nice, wide aisles. The back aisles with the meat and deli are even wider. Just a nice grocery.

I got some nice rutabaga and turnips and headed to the meat aisle. I wish I could draw a picture but the back of the store is one long meat area and there are islands of meat areas scattered around between the long meat area and the food aisles. The width of the area between an island and an aisle is about 8-10 feet.

I needed to get a ham (split pea soup ftw!) and Jesus fuck me, I was NOT PREPARED for this aisle. an entire family of deathfats were catching up with someone who works in the store. normally, I would think that was lovely. In this instance there was a tall, greasy fat guy,a tall greasy fat chick, the store worker and, my God. this woman was on a scootypuff (the store's so it was really big and sturdy) and she was just melting down the sides of it. She was at least 500 pounds. Easily.

The entire width (and a fair amount of the breadth) of the 8- 10 foot wide aisle was completely clogged with these people. I considered going around the island and coming up the other side but the breadth of the aisle was take up too. I stood there thinking, surely they'll scatter soon. About a minute in after I gathered my senses I said 'Excuse me, can I get through here?' really loud. The worker and the 2 standing people moved single file but the bohemouth in the puff just ignored me. Unfortunately, she was taking up about 5-6 feet of the width (she was slightly diagonal) and the single file people took up more space and I had my big ass cart.

I stepped around and made direct eye contact with her and said (unthinkingly) 'Lady, one of us is going to have to shrink for my cart to get through here or, you can just be polite and move'. She huffed, her family huffed, the employee huffed and I stood my ground, direct eye contact. She moved but I swear, I heard that scootypuff whisper 'kill me... please...' and it may haunt my dreams tonight.
 
bliblblblbbllb said:
600lbs black man, wider than he was tall. Moderate retardation from being drug baby, really strong fetal alcohol syndrome face but I wonder if he had Prader-Willie.... I watched him drink 4L of soda and 5 family-sized bags of chips in one sitting while laughing at Fortnite youtubers on his phone. Did this happy-dance (squirming, smacking lips, slapping table) while eating that made me feel like I was becoming more racist just by witnessing it.... Chewed with his mouth open and making noises, farted and burped openly, wore baggy pants somehow despite being over 600lbs.

Had an impressive arrest record but always let free because of being retarded. Just had everything handed to him, food trough always kept full, lived off handouts from various sources, wasn't his own guardian. Literally the same amount of income as I had at the time from working part-time taking care of people like him. Probably needed to live in a group home, but none would take him with such violence issues. Probably a good candidate for the oft-longed for long-term asylums.

I lost contact with his case when he fled the police, and they couldn't track him down despite being large enough to view with the naked eye from the ISS. Again, I think he was lying about how retarded he really was, I think he was just actually evil in a carnal, immoral, gluttonous way. I have nightmares about having a child like that.
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This guy sounds thread worthy. I want a 60 part documentary.

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Fattest and most autistic man I've ever met a few years back tried to squeeze my hand at an art exhibition. I nearly died. He was just so incomprehensibly huge. Why are they all also retarded?
 
I remember when I was kid, we would on occasion go to some buffet-style restaurants, until one day we stopped. When I was a little older, probably my teens, I asked my mom why. She explained that one time we were eating at a Chinese buffet, when I was 10, and we were at our table. Normally you would just sit down and eat and then leave. But that day my mom decided to look around the buffet, and noticed all the morbidly obese people. Some looked like they were about to die, all pale and miscoloured, others were all sweaty and greasy faced huffing and puffing there way back to the food. One guy she said had a glazed look in his eyes as he laboriously shuffled his way there, like he was unable to resist the food. She was so revolted by the sight of all them that we left the restaurant, and to this day I've never been to a buffet again.

It was also after that time my parents became concerned with health, and would also encourage us to exercise and eat healthy. When she told me that story, it explained a lot about how my they behaved at that time since my mom would cook healthier meals that at the time I didn't like, and my dad would take along for his daily runs.
 
had a run in with a fat SJW the other day. to be fair she is not currently a death fat, but not sure where else to put this. also, give it time and she'll make it.

went out to breakfast with some nice normie friends, girls who are generally liberal but not deeply involved. the problem with women like this is that they want earnestly to be 'open minded', 'kind', 'progressive', 'inclusive' and will defer to anyone who seems authoritative and confident enough in their opinion when it comes to woke issues.

I should've known the two fat white chicks I hadn't met before who showed up together and immediately wanted everyone to know how queer they were would be wokies. there was a loud performative conversation they had almost immediately about how easy it is to date men because they don't care about being rejected by men (sure Jan lol) but women are intimidating because it REALLY matters. I've heard this spiel a hundred times from 'bisexual' women who want you to know how much into women they are whilst at the same time providing an unasked for explanation for why they've never actually been face deep between an actual female's thighs ever before. a fact no one would've known had they not gone on and on about how scared of dating women they really are.

but a little performative queerness isn't that obnoxious in a group of mostly normies who can't relate and aren't going to try, so I ignored the red flag.
when I returned from the bathroom to be told by a friend that 'the conversation has got political', of course it was down that end of the table, being helmed by the red-faced smaller fat who had also initiated the I'm-so-attracted-to-women-I-can't-even-date-them contest. and the subject? how very, very extremely dangerous Jordan Peterson is and how he MUST be stopped at all costs.

now, I'm not a terf; I wouldn't even say I'm really a feminist. but I can observe the objective reality that females are oppressed/at certain risks on the basis of sex, and being female that pisses me off. still, I struggle to agree that Jordan Peterson is as much of a misogynist as the woke left claims. I certainly don't support censorship. the whole reason I was ever drawn to the left to begin with was because I despise injustice and authoritarianism, and believed the left despised these things also. my departure from the left was triggered by the observation the left was itself extremely authoritarian and devoted to perpetuating injustice. I consider myself 'unaligned' these days and am committed to the free exchange of ideas, civil discourse, a willingness to listen and understand others in their perspectives. it was in this spirit that I chose to contribute my belief that censorship doesn't help anyone and that if you are secure in your convictions, values and beliefs, that simply listening to what someone else has to say shouldn't scare or threaten you.

well, this went down about as well as you can expect for the red-faced SJW. she immediately became obviously activated, sitting up in her chair, leaning forward over the table, getting redder, her voice shrill and hostile as she lectured me on how people become dangerously radicalised by Jordan Peterson, that if we don't stop him from speaking then people will definitely die from terrorism enacted by his supporters, that only bigots and the privileged can look the other way. her hysteria-tinged aggression took me quite aback, but I was mostly struck by her clear assumption I had never heard the same spiel before. I have, a million times. hell, I even used to buy into it. but clearly, from her perspective, I was just an ignorant privileged bigot who didn't know better and had to be Educated. it was outside her comprehension I could've heard it all before, and still disagreed.

I stated my opinion that I would still rather know who the bad guys were - that I didn't really mind hearing assholes saying asshole things outloud, because it instructed me on who to avoid. that I preferred people showing their true colours, that censorship only drives radicalism underground. she hit back with something nonsensical about Kanye West and how that wasn't true because Kanye had just become emboldened. I replied that Kanye had always been mask off - I talked about Runaway (a song I honestly love and think is pretty brilliant) and that he never hid the fact he was a rampant misogynist and the left had still embraced him because of his status as an 'oppressed black man'. that the left had turned against him because of his anti-semitism (despite the left being stridently anti-semitic as par for the course) because of how the cultural climate had shifted but had always been happy to look the other way when he was just abusing women. and that he was a mentally ill man who was not 'radicalised' but had been enabled by the yes men craving his money and power to the point he thought he was untouchable - only to lose basically everything when he went full public with that.

I could tell that this woman was used to dominating these kinds of subjects for the aforementioned reason that most of the peers she's surrounded with are just nice normie women who don't know that much about it all but who want to be kind and keep the peace. she was obviously worked up and dismayed I did not defer to her as the others had, and even more so when the others were as equally receptive and easy going to what I had to say as they were to her. because they wanted to keep the peace - and I did too, so I diverted the conversation onto other subjects then, but I overheard her reassure the other fat woman that she had come with 'don't worry, I'm not going to go on a big rant today'. I was surprised she had any sense of reservation at all, but was grateful for it.

later on in the conversation we were talking about the challenges that come with an image-obsessed society and how hard it is to be at ease with one's body. she of course had to chime in that if it was hard for US, a group of white, cis, normie sized women, how much harder it must be for anyone else outside of that. now. two women in the party that day were visibly not white. and while, with the exception of the red faced SJW and her friend, everyone was a non-fat - only me and one other woman would count as indisputably slim. and even STILL, if you are female you KNOW intimately how very hard it is to have a female body and be constantly anxious about being beautiful and attractive, which the vast majority of females very much ARE.

while I fully recognise that certain intersections like race or visible disability can further complicate the experience of being female in significant ways, it is an utter myth that looking any type of way leaves the average female fully confident and secure in her appearance. to be anything above a size 10 (equivalent to a US size 6) is to be uncomfortably chubby, which women wearing size 12 and up are always aware of. and even when you are a size 10 or smaller, you still spend an incredible amount of time worrying about being fat. and when you're already worrying about how pretty you are, how big your tits are, if you have a good ass, if you have beautiful hair, if your teeth are straight enough, if you're short enough to be daintily feminine the way a man desires a woman to be etc etc etc - being slim often feels like the one thing a woman can actually reliably control about her appearance without spending thousands of dollars. and it's always in a state of uncertainty because maybe you're really a fat fuck without knowing it. if you ever stop thinking about it for a second you definitely will be. and even if you are conventionally attractive with the symmetrical features, nice straight teeth and the good rack - you constantly question it. constantly. as a female, never being entirely sure that you really are attractive is inherent to the experience. it doesn't matter how "privileged" you are, you are never ever truly sure. and I'm really sick of this reality being undermined by the woke crowd that just wants a politically correct reason to vent their resentment and jealousy towards women they recognise as higher on the totem pole of hotness than they are.

and apart from anything else - being "cis", white, skinny and pretty does not magically protect a female person from being molested, assaulted, abused, raped, harassed, stalked and discriminated against on the basis of sex, by both males and other females. it's such an outrageously offensive lie that I just don't indulge it anymore. pretty privilege is nonsense; it doesn't exist. even if you reap certain benefits like more male attention, getting served first, free shit you didn't ask for, people generally being nicer to you - none of that comes with no strings attached. people are motivated by their own self interest, the belief they'll get something for themselves through association with you. yeah we can all laugh at Brad Pitt writing a think piece about what a burden it is to be beautiful; but he's not even wrong. hell, the proof is right there in the spectacular train wrecks the lives of professionally beautiful people often end up being. they're surrounded by unrepentant vampires sucking them dry for their own sense of affirmation. being beautiful does not make life automatically easier for a woman; there is just a different set of associated challenges to overcome, including people's sense of entitlement to your beauty. I am 100% done with any discourse that even skirts the concept of pretty privilege, and VERY done with well-meaning 'cis white' women being manipulated into undermining how goddamn hard it is to be female and their own traumatic experiences tied to this in order to make everyone else more comfortable with their "privilege". I knew sitting there I wasn't the only one who'd experienced some female-specific horrors in my life, no matter how "privileged" I was and I just felt really damn sad watching these other very nice, kind women race to diminish themselves and the reality of being female in order to prove how aware they are of how good they have it, and therefore what good people they are. I stayed silent, and was very much aware the whole time of how the red faced SJW was watching me very closely to gauge my reaction. it really drove home to me how many assumptions she'd made about me based on my appearance whilst knowing exactly nothing about my life or history. something that is supposedly verboten on the left.

the final clash came when the conversation (inevitably, I guess) moved onto vibrators. I was very into the history and culture of sex for a while so I ended up sharing an anecdote about the origin of vibrators - that doctors of the 19th century were developing RSI providing hysteria relieving 'massages' to a never ending tide of pent up middle-upper class women and needed something to make the job easier and quicker (although apparently this is not entirely accurate). women are always entertained by this story and I told it lightly and with an emphasis on humour. the red faced SJW of course made sure to butt in to remind me that I was 'sanitising' history by failing to mention that women were also forcibly institutionalised a lot by controlling men during this period for 'hysteria'. I'm sure she thought she was rocking my world with new information. that I could be intentionally keeping the subject light for the enjoyment of everyone out to a casual social breakfast seemed to not occur to her; she had to Educate me again. I smiled at her and gently replied that I was merely focusing on the vibrator's specific origin in context with discussing vibrators generally, communicating with my tone that she was taking it too seriously, and she backed off.

she was included in plans for a beach visit coming up; so we'll see what happens next time I'm forced to spend time with her. I'm not interested in contributing to conflict or strife so my strategy will be to avoid her as much as possible as she clearly has a need to politicise every subject that comes up and I just. do not fucking care. also I am interested in further developing my friendships with the other women and am not going to do anything to jeopardise those. I'm 100% sure she has decided I'm Very Problematic and will probably try and challenge me in the future; so the only solution seems to be to just steer well clear of any potentially charged conversations. next time I return to find the conversation has 'got political' I'll just keep my mouth shut. it is just not worth it.
 
PhantomKnight said:
I remember when I was kid, we would on occasion go to some buffet-style restaurants, until one day we stopped. When I was a little older, probably my teens, I asked my mom why. She explained that one time we were eating at a Chinese buffet, when I was 10, and we were at our table. Normally you would just sit down and eat and then leave. But that day my mom decided to look around the buffet, and noticed all the morbidly obese people. Some looked like they were about to die, all pale and miscoloured, others were all sweaty and greasy faced huffing and puffing there way back to the food. One guy she said had a glazed look in his eyes as he laboriously shuffled his way there, like he was unable to resist the food. She was so revolted by the sight of all them that we left the restaurant, and to this day I've never been to a buffet again.

It was also after that time my parents became concerned with health, and would also encourage us to exercise and eat healthy. When she told me that story, it explained a lot about how my they behaved at that time since my mom would cook healthier meals that at the time I didn't like, and my dad would take along for his daily runs.
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My family never went to buffets, but I remember the first time I went with a friend that has an entire family morbidly obese +. I couldn't believe how appalling it was, and the sheer volume her and her family ate. Just plate and plate of lukewarm, nasty Chinese food. I realized after that almost every place they frequent is either buffet, all you can eat, refillable bowl, or massive portions. When they ate at home it was even worse.

But holy shit, I am beginning to think restaurants can just be gauged in the death fat ratio. I recently noticed one place had at least 30% morbidly obese customers, and I mean 300+ lbs. I know obesity rates are rising, but being in there was like some Alice in Wonderland shit. It sets off alarm bells like you need to run before you're drug into the back, gavaged, and given pavlonian conditioning to return every night.
 
Chilli Soup said:
This guy sounds thread worthy. I want a 60 part documentary.

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Fattest and most autistic man I've ever met a few years back tried to squeeze my hand at an art exhibition. I nearly died. He was just so incomprehensibly huge. Why are they all also retarded?
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Is art exhibition an euphemism for brony convention?
 
Recently on some occasions I see a guy I call "the box guy" because he's basically... a cube. I don't know how else to describe it - certainly one of the fattest people I have ever seen - and here that's pretty rare. Guy is... maybe 5'10, a bit more perhaps, and just as wide in all directions. Stomach is so huge it almost touches his knees when he's standing.

What's weird about him and what made me call him what I do - he is not only unbelievably fat, but also, underneath all that, obviously extremely muscular, which gives him this ridiculous square silhouette. He looks disturbingly like Kingpin from that newer animated movie, actually, just with a flattop. I think he might be a former athlete who stopped training but kept the eating, or something, and just became huge.

Anyway one time he was about to miss a tram and suddenly jumped into a sprint that would probably vaporize anyone he touched, so when he managed to squeeze through the door his sweaty ass leaned on the side (wall?) (they all have only single seats, even though double seats would probably be too small for him anyway) and spent the entire ride trying to rub his knees, huffing, and just being drenched.

He might be strong enough to carry the weight, but his skeleton disagrees...
 
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Metabolic syndrome (and obesity) is a physical addiction problem. It is caused by insulin resistance. Insulin is the ONLY mechanism involved in weight gain with very minor exceptions such as lipid droplet deposition in the liver. Yes you read that right. Giving fat people insulin TURBOCHARGES their weight gain. In turn insulin resistance causes leptin resistance. When your brain is leptin resistant, food becomes invisible to it. You permanently feel like you're dying of hunger. The only winning move is not to play. I was on the road to becoming deathfat. It's a positive feedback mechanism mediated by leptin and insulin. Extreme adherence to time restricted feeding (TRF) is the only long term solution. Working out is also important because it always increased my weight loss 2-3x for about a week after I would pause (I travel a lot). Outside of 9 to 1 the only options allowed are water, coffee, lemon water, and salt.
 
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Metabolic syndrome (and obesity) is a physical addiction problem. It is caused by insulin resistance. Insulin is the ONLY mechanism involved in weight gain with very minor exceptions such as lipid droplet deposition in the liver. Yes you read that right. Giving fat people insulin TURBOCHARGES their weight gain. In turn insulin resistance causes leptin resistance. When your brain is leptin resistant, food becomes invisible to it. You permanently feel like you're dying of hunger. The only winning move is not to play. I was on the road to becoming deathfat. It's a positive feedback mechanism mediated by leptin and insulin. Extreme adherence to time restricted feeding (TRF) is the only long term solution. Working out is also important because it always increased my weight loss 2-3x for about a week after I would pause (I travel a lot). Outside of 9 to 1 the only options allowed are water, coffee, lemon water, and salt.
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This isn't a story, but oof, no.

Insulin resistance is caused by obesity. Does it perpetuate it? Yes, but not really. The body compensates by increasing insulin, yes, but that insulin isn't being used properly. Inevitably, insulin resistance leads to flat insulin insufficiency, and lack of adequate insulin increases lipolysis/fat breakdown, thus why untreated diabetics often lose weight. Yes, diabetics have an edge on weight loss and higher base rmr, not to mention they piss out most of the sugar they eat.

Exogenous insulin/injected supplemental insulin does encourage weight gain in some ways, but you can't gain weight without intaking the calories to do so. The hyperglycemia hunger cycle is a self driven abuse system.

The major factor you're missing is behavior, as weight gain almost always starts as a behavioral action and snowballs via hormonal disruption that is widespread and goes far beyond just insulin. Hell, you even mentioned leptin while claiming insulin is the only factor?

No. Preexisting insulin resistance is an excuse used in commercials selling you garbage supplements, it's not some singular drive and excuse.
 
Dnein said:
This isn't a story, but oof, no.

Insulin resistance is caused by obesity. Does it perpetuate it? Yes, but not really. The body compensates by increasing insulin, yes, but that insulin isn't being used properly. Inevitably, insulin resistance leads to flat insulin insufficiency, and lack of adequate insulin increases lipolysis/fat breakdown, thus why untreated diabetics often lose weight. Yes, diabetics have an edge on weight loss and higher base rmr, not to mention they piss out most of the sugar they eat.

Exogenous insulin/injected supplemental insulin does encourage weight gain in some ways, but you can't gain weight without intaking the calories to do so. The hyperglycemia hunger cycle is a self driven abuse system.

The major factor you're missing is behavior, as weight gain almost always starts as a behavioral action and snowballs via hormonal disruption that is widespread and goes far beyond just insulin. Hell, you even mentioned leptin while claiming insulin is the only factor?

No. Preexisting insulin resistance is an excuse used in commercials selling you garbage supplements, it's not some singular drive and excuse.
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Behavior is a crucial factor but the tables are stacked against the public at large. Imagine if cocaine was as available as Coca-Cola. Would we still say it's a behavioral problem to indulge? Absolutely. Once you go over the edge it becomes harder and harder to stop. Some idiots embrace their addictions and may even encourage others to accept it, and this is the most sickening.

Insulin resistance isn't caused by obesity but most obese are insulin resistant. Insulin resistance occurs prior to obesity in most people. Many people are metabolically unhealthy but not obese. Obese people often become insulin resistant but metabolically healthy obese (unicorns) exist.

Given two individuals to start you will see more weight gain on a calorie equivalent diet if one them has higher insulin levels but the two are otherwise the same.

Insulin is the most crucial mediator of weight gain on a cellular level.

Leptin resistance affects appetite suppression. Blocked leptin signaling means your brain does not register food in your stomach.

If you are leptin resistant you can and must ignore the cravings. To do so feels like an awful drug withdrawal. It is excruciatingly painful and felt like I losing my mind for about a month. And never since.

The best way to break the cycle is to stop eating for many hours at a time. And when resuming eating, minimizing insulin stimulating foods. In my case 20 to 24 hours between meals every day.
 
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Behavior is a crucial factor but the tables are stacked against the public at large. Imagine if cocaine was as available as Coca-Cola. Would we still say it's a behavioral problem to indulge? Absolutely. Once you go over the edge it becomes harder and harder to stop. Some idiots embrace their addictions and may even encourage others to accept it, and this is the most sickening.

Insulin resistance isn't caused by obesity but most obese are insulin resistant. Insulin resistance occurs prior to obesity in most people. Many people are metabolically unhealthy but not obese. Obese people often become insulin resistant but metabolically healthy obese (unicorns) exist.

Given two individuals to start you will see more weight gain on a calorie equivalent diet if one them has higher insulin levels but the two are otherwise the same.

Insulin is the most crucial mediator of weight gain on a cellular level.

Leptin resistance affects appetite suppression. Blocked leptin signaling means your brain does not register food in your stomach.

If you are leptin resistant you can and must ignore the cravings. To do so feels like an awful drug withdrawal. It is excruciatingly painful and felt like I losing my mind for about a month. And never since.

The best way to break the cycle is to stop eating for many hours at a time. And when resuming eating, minimizing insulin stimulating foods. In my case 20 to 24 hours between meals every day.
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Shouldn't this be in the Medical Sperging thread?
 
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