Deaf Community - "No such thing as hearing loss, just Deaf gain!"

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ZsaZsaBinks said:
Like everyone here, I agree that any disability that can be cured should be cured. However, if being disabled is all a person knows, if they become cured, then they will lose their sense of personality. The psychological chains of being treated as special will still be there as the person has become used to getting special treatment. This is why I believe so many disabled people (even those that hate being disabled) are reluctant to be cured. Not to mention their community will disown them and accuse them of thoughtcrime if they get cured.
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The problem I have is parents refusing to do anything because they WANT the child to be disabled. They do cochlears and other hearing devices pre a year old now since it helps language development.

There was a documentary called "Deaf Like Me" where the person got cps threats and shit cause she got her son a cochlear implant and it upset the Deaf community.
 
GenociderSyo said:
The problem I have is parents refusing to do anything because they WANT the child to be disabled. They do cochlears and other hearing devices pre a year old now since it helps language development.

There was a documentary called "Deaf Like Me" where the person got cps threats and shit cause she got her son a cochlear implant and it upset the Deaf community.
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I honestly think a lot of it is crabs in a bucket.

They grew up dealing with their disability, and they think it's unfair that deaf people now may not have to deal with the same issues.

A lot of the "we're a subculture" and "the implants aren't perfect" arguments are more cope than anything else, to be honest.
 
GenociderSyo said:
The problem I have is parents refusing to do anything because they WANT the child to be disabled. They do cochlears and other hearing devices pre a year old now since it helps language development.
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I know. Because they’d be “boring” if they weren’t disabled.
GenociderSyo said:
There was a documentary called "Deaf Like Me" where the person got cps threats and shit cause she got her son a cochlear implant and it upset the Deaf community.
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Shit like this makes me despise disability rights activists.
 
Dumb joke I made up just now

Satan is giving a guided tour of Hell. He takes the tour group into the part of Hell for people with disabilities. “Here's the pit where we put all the paralyzed people. They can’t physically escape anyway so we don’t need to do anything for security.”
“This is the pit with the blind people. When they try to climb out, we can just push them back in pretty easily because they can’t see it coming.”
Satan takes everyone to a third pit that also has no guards. “This is the pit with the deaf people. We don’t need to guard it because if any deaf people try to climb out then the rest of them just drag them back in.”
 
ZsaZsaBinks said:
This is why I believe so many disabled people (even those that hate being disabled) are reluctant to be cured. Not to mention their community will disown them and accuse them of thoughtcrime if they get cured.
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With deaf people, cochlear implants aren't a perfect cure. People who grew up hearing (people with one deaf ear or who lost their hearing later) who later got cochlear implants will be happy to tell you about the sound quality.

Someone who was born deaf and gets an implant at age 30 isn't going to gain the ability to have a phone conversation; they've missed the critical developmental phases and their brain will never be able to interpret sound (or "sound) normally, even if it can receive it.

But you know who hasn't missed the critical developmental phases? Deaf kids, the younger the better. Kids whose parents make all their medical decisions for them. If a kid has to get old enough enough to hypothetically sign "I'd like to have surgery to gain the ability to hear," their parents have already made that decision for them.

A deaf kid can throw their cochlear implant processors in a drawer and go ASL-only when they hit the standard teenage rebellion phase; if they don't have early medical intervention, they can't do the opposite.
 
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Aunt Carol said:
With deaf people, cochlear implants aren't a perfect cure. People who grew up hearing (people with one deaf ear or who lost their hearing later) who later got cochlear implants will be happy to tell you about the sound quality.

Someone who was born deaf and gets an implant at age 30 isn't going to gain the ability to have a phone conversation; they've missed the critical developmental phases and their brain will never be able to interpret sound (or "sound) normally, even if it can receive it.

But you know who hasn't missed the critical developmental phases? Deaf kids, the younger the better. Kids whose parents make all their medical decisions for them. If a kid has to get old enough enough to hypothetically sign "I'd like to have surgery to gain the ability to hear," their parents have already made that decision for them.

A deaf kid can throw their cochlear implant processors in a drawer and go ASL-only when they hit the standard teenage rebellion phase; if they don't have early medical intervention, they can't do the opposite.
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better yet the kids can bridge the Deaf parents to the hearing world- the kid grows up with sign language at home and speech at school. like immigrant kids, bridging that gap for the parents (if the parents aren't assholes).
 
Ratboy Genius said:
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THE HAND IS GREEN!!!

On a different note, I've noticed that so many of these people push the rhetoric that pushing"cures" to deafness at an early stage is literally Nazism.

Imagine that you're in some modern day state that believes in Nazism. You know what would most likely happen to you?

At best, you'd be sterilized or gene-edited. And at worst you would be the plaything of some Josef Mengele style docyor and then fucking killed, because Nazis care about genetics. What genes that would normally get you more likely to be killed is instead spread around inside, without actually "experiencing" the effects of your genetics, which means that there would be more people who have to deal with these implants. Nazis wouldn't spare the sympathy to even deal with it, they would only give these cures for disabilities to people who became disabled through an accident or war.

At no point was America some fascist shit hole, because fascism or Nazism does not equate to "capitalism but more strict". They are completely different ballgames. The American medical industry doing ACTUAL eugenics would be a PR nightmare (because news flash, even deep south Republikkkans would be against killing like this (not to mention a financial incentive based medical industry are avoidant of "cures" either way)). You should be thankful that you have options and life here in the west.
 
cuddle striker said:
better yet the kids can bridge the Deaf parents to the hearing world- the kid grows up with sign language at home and speech at school. like immigrant kids, bridging that gap for the parents (if the parents aren't assholes).
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Growing up a CODA already its own set of problems when it's a hearing kid born to Deaf adults. They get the immigrant burden of interpreting the adult world at a young age, mom's frustration with the banker spilling over onto the kid who's just translating. They also get to be outgroup members raised by people very invested in an identity the kid doesn't share. Sometimes they end up interpreters or ASL teachers, forever in the service of a community where they're only peripheral members.

I don't know what it's like to be a Deaf child of Deaf parents and also the first generation with a cochlear implant. Hopefully both Mom and Dad agree on the implant, or those will be fun conversations to overhearsee.
 
GenociderSyo said:
Now its cultural appropriation for a hearing person (or even a deaf person) to teach ASL.
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Ehh, from reading the whole thing, they could have explained this better (and more quickly).

Some (hearing) Lady is posting ASL word-of-the-day on social media for likes and clout. She's not a CODA or anything, and she's still in the process of learning ASL herself.

Deaf people are upset that some of her signs are incorrect. Their reaction is partially like a Japanese-speaker hearing a weeb show off badly, and partially upset that they aren't getting the likes and clout.

I'm on board with being annoyed that someone is implying they're an expert when they aren't. The demand that you private everything is dumb (haw).

Sane post would have reminded people to post a disclaimer on their videos that they're not a native speaker, be ready to accept criticism from Deaf signers if you're on a ~learning journey~, and then suggested some Deaf ASL educators' accounts to follow instead.

"How do we get hearing people to learn ASL, since it's a hate crime to suggest we ever be the ones to adapt? I know--let's be giant assholes when people voluntarily try to learn our language!"
 
i am so glad i discovered this thread. i think a more apt title for it would be the "American deaf community", because for some reason, deaf Americans are the most irritating, self righteous fuckers on the planet.

the sign for good morning in ASL is the same as the sign for fuck you in BSL, and can even mean "go shove something up your ass" in swiss-german sign language. how does the ADC react? calling BSL and SGSL wrong and demanding we all use ASL.

there's also a weird fetish for fingerspelling in ASL, even though basically every other sign language barely fingerspells. again, the Americans claim this is superior, despite (as you can see from the glorious graphics above) the letters not being particularly distinct.

ASOR is another little-known ADC institution that really promotes the idea that deaf people should be considered distinct from other people, and that deafness shouldn't be cured. they're the reason so many ASL interpreters either have to be CODA or wear aids / cochlear.

personally, i sign and speak, just because I've been signing so long it's difficult to stop, it's also good at accentuating points. although when i tried to get involved in a local American deaf club, they sent me an email after the fact (in fucking signwriting which is the most irritating thing known to man) asking me to only sign, as totally deaf members of the club had "concerns" my signs were not what i was saying.

the BSL community is far more welcoming of those who may not be totally deaf, and they even produce good tv shows that encourage hearies to put on English subtitles so they can watch it along with deaf friends, or even by themselves. it's recommended to immerse yourself with deaf people while learning BSL, whereas ASL demands you pay $40 a lesson to have a deaf person teach you the sign for 9/11.

if you want "good" "d"eaf people to follow, i'd recommend justina miles, who does talk a lot about how hard of hearing people need to be treated better by the "D"eaf community. she also advocates for people to sign and speak, even if its just incoherent noises that roughly make the sound you want to make.

completely relying on sign language turns the "D"eaf community into an exclusionary disability, especially when we are so desperately trying to advocate for accessibility. not everything has to be in sign language, but it would be great to have flashing lights added to fire alarms, we don't need everyone to learn sign, we need to accept that technology and accessibility are the way forward, not demanding everyone tear out their hearing aids in a sacrifice to kitty o'neil.

there was a really good documentary done after 9/11 by a woman called jade bryan, she's fallen into muh deaf discrimination and racism are linked, but "fear in silence" is fantastic at how sign is useless when faced with an emergency, especially if you're surrounded by hearies.

tldr god i hate americans.
 
doomocract said:
Ok coming from actual deaf person. Making joy out of your disability is stupid.

Just go with basic biologic truth and you will be fine. Thread re-directed me here, sorry for being ignorant before. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/deaf-ppl-are-support-kf.174655/#post-17070215
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Unironic thank you for weighing in.

This is not an insult, but people here could read your posts to understand that there is a written "deaf accent." There's a common misconception that ASL (etc) is exactly the same as English, just said with the hands. The languages are related, but ASL has an entirely distinct grammar; this is another example of what capital-D Deaf people are worried about protecting when they talk about their culture being damaged by audism.
 
I’m hearing-impaired in one ear so I’d like to leave my own contribution to the cause:

I’m starting an organization for the hearing impaired. I already have a slogan: “Could you please repeat that?”
 
Aunt Carol said:
Unironic thank you for weighing in.

This is not an insult, but people here could read your posts to understand that there is a written "deaf accent." There's a common misconception that ASL (etc) is exactly the same as English, just said with the hands. The languages are related, but ASL has an entirely distinct grammar; this is another example of what capital-D Deaf people are worried about protecting when they talk about their culture being damaged by audism.
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Yes, to reply to you post in entirety. English an asl are separate -- i would try to boil down your reply to simply grammars but i'm worried no one might understood it.
There is no such deaf accent. If ther is, consider the deaf person talking about it......lost. I've tried talking about it verbally but no one take's me seriously... might be cuz high pitchy voice of mine. What a waste.
 
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