Deaf Community - "No such thing as hearing loss, just Deaf gain!"

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Deaf Community is pissed that medical advancement is meaning that more and more are not requiring to be ASL only.
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GenociderSyo said:
Deaf Community is pissed that medical advancement is meaning that more and more are not requiring to be ASL only.
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They treat learning sign language like it's something easy and simple.
Even people who have learned sign as their first language then get hearing aids/ implants can lose the ability from lack of use.

There's a real narcissism in thinking people should just learn an entire language just as an optional method of communication for a kid.
 
A language that will ostracize them. I remember the shit Marlee Matlin got because she did spoken roles and would sign and speak. Though sometimes she did not even sign.
 
batteredpancakes said:
They treat learning sign language like it's something easy and simple.
Even people who have learned sign as their first language then get hearing aids/ implants can lose the ability from lack of use.

There's a real narcissism in thinking people should just learn an entire language just as an optional method of communication for a kid.
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For hypotonic people attempting signing is a pain in the ass.
 
Frogasm said:
like Beethoven, who composed by listening through vibrations in his floor.
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Beethoven composed the 9th by biting down on a metal rod attached to his piano, he was using bone conduction to hear, not floor vibrations.
 
I've always been fascinated by these guys. My dad was deaf due to an illness as a child, so he could talk without the deaf accent, but needed hearing aids. So knowing these fucks wouldn't call him deaf just tickles me.
 
It really is a fascinating philosophical argument.

"If we don't allow more children to be medically alienated into our insular culture, our insular culture will die."

People on the "other side" do make the assumption that cochlear implants bestow perfect hearing, and you can ask adults who lost hearing and had them implanted as an adult about that. Still, things are changing, and there are less obvious factors like texting and auto-generated realtime captions. Some parents need to be reminded of their child's limitations--even with the processors on, you gotta get their attention and face them--but is an imperfect adaptation to society a reason to choose separatism?

When they say things like "in Deaf culture we're more blunt" well that's because you're telling new inductees that! You're not Klingons or something. You could make "Deaf culture" anything you wanted to, in a generation.
 
It's kinda surprising with Deaf people's cultish and insular attitude that there's no unifying organisation that's created a universal sign language and a proper written sign language.
You'd think there would some massive deaf website where users can use sign language only. But I've only seen deaf people use English to write and the USA deaf association only has a really basic 2000s looking website with English/Spanish options.

But Deaf people in English speaking countries don't even use the same signs. Some seem so insular they have no interest in anyone outside there own immediate sphere.
 
batteredpancakes said:
But Deaf people in English speaking countries don't even use the same signs. Some seem so insular they have no interest in anyone outside there own immediate sphere.
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The way I've seen them go about neologisms contributes to this too. Groups across the country are expected to make up a sign for a new concept, and of course all those regional signs are going to be different. There are warnings to the ASL learner about hyper-local dialects because, again, tiny insular groups.

The development of ASL is as well-documented as Esperanto; having a central authority or standards of mutual intelligibility isn't linguistic prescriptivism when it's in an artificial language. If the goal is to let Deaf people communicate, it's a conflicting way to go about it.
 
I hate capitalizing "Deaf." It's a fucking adjective, not a proper noun.
 
Aunt Carol said:
It really is a fascinating philosophical argument.

"If we don't allow more children to be medically alienated into our insular culture, our insular culture will die."

People on the "other side" do make the assumption that cochlear implants bestow perfect hearing, and you can ask adults who lost hearing and had them implanted as an adult about that. Still, things are changing, and there are less obvious factors like texting and auto-generated realtime captions. Some parents need to be reminded of their child's limitations--even with the processors on, you gotta get their attention and face them--but is an imperfect adaptation to society a reason to choose separatism?

When they say things like "in Deaf culture we're more blunt" well that's because you're telling new inductees that! You're not Klingons or something. You could make "Deaf culture" anything you wanted to, in a generation.
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Sounds like something not worth preserving then.
 
deaf people= people who have significant hearing impairment e.g. nice old lady who needs hearing aids.
Deaf people = cult of annoying people who are deaf or associate with the deaf in some way. e.g. rabid Deaf activist who views people who get cochlear implants as traitors. Makes their whole life about being deaf.

I feel like the Deaf spearheaded the whole woke thing. I remember hearing about their chronic victimhood way back in the 2000s. There were annoying people back then, but no one really had that particular brand of 'victimhood' and smug entitlement to their opinions like they do now. I met and heard of a few Deafs back then and they seemed like extremist assholes but looking back they were quite ahead of their time.

The irony is that the modern wokes don't give a shit about deaf people. I was on tumblr in its golden years and the very few examples of activism I saw were from deaf people themselves or from someone who was related to a deaf person.

They didn't even get a barbie till 2021.
 
Neurotypical Mantis said:
could you theoretically call them colonizers or other things that wokies hate for trying to enforce the use of AMERICAN sign language? america bad, how could you do this you deaf bigots
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IIRC some of the Native American inter-tribe trade languages were handsign. However I refuse to do any more research and I might have just dreamt that instead.

edit: OK I was curious, and it turns out I remembered correctly.
Plains Indian Sign Language
Looks like there are some similar words, but if you're signing "deer" you pretty much have to make antlers.
 
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Like everyone here, I agree that any disability that can be cured should be cured. However, if being disabled is all a person knows, if they become cured, then they will lose their sense of personality. The psychological chains of being treated as special will still be there as the person has become used to getting special treatment. This is why I believe so many disabled people (even those that hate being disabled) are reluctant to be cured. Not to mention their community will disown them and accuse them of thoughtcrime if they get cured.
 
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