DDoS attacks

troonshine said:
https://gggthats3gs.github.io/nexus-web/
an experimental reverse proxy to the onionsite from clearnet on any regular modern browser, if you're interested please try it out
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Works on my end. Pretty cool tech!
Superficial explanation for the less technical. @troonshine has essentially created a ddos protection clearnet mirror of the site by routing traffic in a special way. Like you're taking a ride in a mail van instead of a taxi, the mail van is capable of taking people to a destination but its not really meant for that. But it comes with the advantage that mail vans are always allowed to drive over the (ddos) protected highway.

Edit: as discussed below and as pointed out in the original post, dont log in if you dont have to. Treat it like a tech demo.
 
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skunt said:
Convincing wikipedia to remove the bullshit from the kiwi farms wikipedia page is a start (yes i am serious). Good luck with that though.
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So if they wont remove it, why cant we re-write history ourselves. How many of us could spin up a website or substack and write the true story of KiwiFarms?

A question for the AI people, obviously LLM's are poisoned by the likes of Wiki etc about the farms, but could they be fed multiple articles with the real story to reverse it?

Its just a thought..and seems like a logical step to make to start to change the perception...if we could get the first page of responses on google or better still have the search engine AI response say "KF is good" then that's a step in the right direction. After all most of these fuckers are to lazy to read beyond what copilot says.

And fuck neutering the farms with any forms of 'play nice censorship', if we die we die on our feet...
 
Mutley said:
So if they wont remove it, why cant we re-write history ourselves. How many of us could spin up a website or substack and write the true story of KiwiFarms?
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I dunno I think the way wikipedia operates, trying to create a counter narrative will simply be seen as propoganda aganist the 'facts' that kiwifarms is a hate site, drove three people to suicide, tried to end a trans healthcare lifeline, promotes doxxing (sic), swatting and is a favourite site for mass shooters to post their manifestos on. Regardless of how now of these things are actually true. And any evidence to the opposite comes from stuff archived here which then gets dismissed. Still the effort should be made to try.
 
Mutley said:
A question for the AI people, obviously LLM's are poisoned by the likes if Wiki etc about the farms, but could they be fed multiple articles with the real story to reverse it?

Its just a thought..and seems like a logical step to make to start to change the perception...if we could get the first page of responses on google or better still have the search engine AI response say "KF is good" then that's a step in the right direction. After all most of these fuckers are to lazy to read beyond what copilot says.
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At this level of development, AI's (or more accurately, Large Language Models) can't actually be "convinced" of anything; every single data point is evaluated using a "weights and balances" system to determine what form of information has enough "weight" to cause the "balance" (the material the user sees) to rise to the top. In other words, simply flooding it with more information wouldn't do anything but increase the number of weights to be judged before deciding on the heaviest one anyway.

No, the only way to change things is to change the value of the weights the system looks at.
 
BlastMonk said:
I dunno I think the way wikipedia operates, trying to create a counter narrative will simply be seen as propoganda aganist the 'facts' that kiwifarms is a hate site, drove three people to suicide, tried to end a trans healthcare lifeline, promotes doxxing (sic), swatting and is a favourite site for mass shooters to post their manifestos on. Regardless of how now of these things are actually true. And any evidence to the opposite comes from stuff archived here which then gets dismissed. Still the effort should be made to try.
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True, it will be hard to counter the Wiki article. But it creates disbelief...especially when you consider most people out there are not going to research it themselves anyway.

I am, sure there sources out there that are not the farms that can help counter points in the Wiki article. Maybe even point out where the wiki is wrong on other counts to help discredit it as a trusted source..I dunno...I think it all depends on how you write it...and we got to try something.

Maybe it even becomes a series of articles each addressing a particular point in detail.

If you change the mind of 1% of people today, maybe tomorrow you change the mind of 2%
 
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Avenue said:
Works on my end. Pretty cool tech!
For the less technical, @troonshine has essentially created a ddos protection clearnet mirror of the site by routing traffic in a special way. Like you're taking a ride in a mail van instead of a taxi, the mail van is capable of taking people to a destination but its not really meant for that. But it comes with the advantage that mail vans are always allowed to drive over the (ddos) protected highway.
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For the love of god, please don't run your mouth about shit and try to "explain" things you do not understand. This is not any sort of novel or cool tech, and is the second time I've seen users suggest reverse proxies THEY ARE HOSTING for other users to log in to. This applies to the quoted post, tor2web, and any other similar suggestions in this thread.

DO NOT DO THIS.

Anyone who runs this, tor2web, or any other similar service can sniff all traffic between all users and the site. This means they can steal passwords, view/edit account info, hijack sessions to impersonate any users who route through their proxy or even route users to a fake clone of the site with replaced dono links, etc. These posts should disallowed, edited to redact these user run services, or at the very least have very strong disclaimers or discourage anyone from logging in through them altogether. In your analogy this would be much more comparable to giving a stranger your ID, wallet, and SSN and hoping that they would go pretty please run some errands and come back.

I have never felt so bad for Josh after reading how many people are throwing their two cents into the ring to suggest things that were litigated one page prior, and before that going back to the beginning of the thread.

TOR is not hard. You literally download one browser, Brave and click open new window with tor, or you download the tor browser and it just works. There is no way to safely make it more convenient than that, and if that is too much, then the users for who that is too much work can't and probably shouldn't login to the site, especially with so many fiveheads making suggestions like this.

Another quick tip, don't use/bookmark .onion addresses for the site if they are not posted by staff. It is trivially easy to make an address that looks similar, at the very least check that the first and last several characters are exactly the same.

Everybody is bummed that the site is under threat, and there are technical users who might have valuable input to staff or other users but for the love of god, if that isn't you please don't act as it is and spew bad advice that puts other users at risk.

EDIT: @Avenue , you should probably change your password
 
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Lerch the Lurk said:
For the love of god, please don't run your mouth about shit and try to "explain" things you do not understand. This is not any sort of novel or cool tech, and is the second time I've seen users suggest reverse proxies THEY ARE HOSTING for other users to log in to. This applies to the quoted post, tor2web, and any other similar suggestions in this thread.
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Wow lots to unpack here.
In the original post by troonshine he already stated most of the security concerns you do here and even advised people not to log in if they dont trust him.
Now some context, I've known troonshine for over a year now and he isn't one to yoink sessions for petty reasons. But don't take my word for it. Also his reverse proxy isnt meant as a permanent solution but rather a tech demo.

I just wanted to point out that what has demonstrated here is a novel way to connect a tor site to the clearweb. The only reason I find this noteworthy at all is because the secret sauce here isnt a regular tor2web deployment but rather something more special which I didnt want to spill all the beans on in one post.
 
Can of Bread said:
This is an insane take. Throughout history, people have had to meet in secret in the back rooms, cellars, and secret rooms of bars, cellars, and other establishments. The fucking Founding Fathers of the United States had to meet in secret while planning to break away from Great Britain. The Apostles and early Christians had to meet and pray in secret. These people would do so with the knowledge that if they got found out, they'd be executed.

And here you are, lamenting not being able to use a website, when all you have to do is go to Tor Browser, click "Connect", type in "sneed.now", click "Continue", then bookmark the URL so you don't have to do half of those steps again, and then browse the site like normal? All this under no threat to your safety or health?
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The more nefarious thing about this is they are using SEO to associate a commonly known product, which is just one way to access Dark Web links, with diddlers and other nefarious actors.

Personally, I want to go to Tor so they do leave. Because like the scum sucking parasites that are within America defrauding the American people, I don't like people who can't appreciate what they have. It's a very good thing that this site exists. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be this much effort from legitimately demonic people to take it down. This is their trek across the desert to the promise land of America. I hope they die in that journey.
 
Lerch the Lurk said:
This is not any sort of novel or cool tech, and is the second time I've seen users suggest reverse proxies THEY ARE HOSTING for other users to log in to. This applies to the quoted post, tor2web, and any other similar suggestions in this thread.
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While it's true that in that particular instance I host both the routing agent and the upstream requester service (upstream service), which is why I warned against logging into your account or doing any other sensitive things, this doesn't have to be the case. As noted in the original post, they're designed to be separate from each other, and the client that your browser loads does public key exchange (ECDH) of your data encryption keys with a key that only the upstream service posesses, so if a trusted party (i.e. Josh) were to host said service (for affiliated parties which host the agent, public availability is not required and would be harmful in the current concept, there are 3 layers of trust in this design that I can explain if needed) and control the static website CDN so that clientside files are not tampered with, other parties can host the routing agent and yet the requests they process would not be decryptable by them.
This is similar in way as to how Tor itself works, there are mutiple transport layers but only the source (your browser) and the destination (upstream service) can see the data in clear text form.
 
Avenue said:
Wow lots to unpack here.
In the original post by troonshine he already stated most of the security concerns you do here and even advised people not to log in if they dont trust him.
Now some context, I've known troonshine for over a year now and he isn't one to yoink sessions for petty reasons. But don't take my word for it.

I just wanted to point out that what has demonstrated here is a novel way to connect a tor site to the clearweb. The only reason I find this noteworthy at all is because the secret sauce here isnt a regular tor2web deployment but rather something more special which I didnt want to spill all the beans on in one post.
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It's not something that non-technical users should be suggested as viable IMO. I've seen well-regarded users of years on other sites burn their reputation posting a malicious .onion mirror. I looked back at the original post, and they did mention it shouldn't be logged into.That's on me for assuming otherwise I was more responding to the fact that you were posting logged in from a proxy hosted by another user and definitely contributed to the tone of my reply. Even if you have a history with a user its bad security practice to allow them that kind of access to your network traffic.

As for the special sauce, what, the fact that it's hosted somewhere unaffiliated with the site that hasn't been reported yet? If this were to become popular, it would be taken down the same that any of the tartarus nodes josh hosts on other VPS's by a combination of reports and network attacks. IIRC he's been using some variation of reverse proxies for probably close to a decade and they are an integral component of WAF solutions like Kiwi/Cloudflare already. I don't see the benefit unless I'm missing something?
 
DickMain said:
These people are compromised by actual glownigger faggots who have their backs and at worst use them as CI's and best turn a blind eye. In Elaine's case she comes from uberkike infinimoney. Some Joe Blow gumshoe is not gonna get the results you want.
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Would apply if dealt with trough law enforcement (even then it DOES NOT mean that if they are from FBI or CIA they are suddenly some royalty that can just command some lowly policeman/detective) but I proposed private sector. That does not mean they are absolutely powerful, scary yes but invulnerable not. Once evidence is collected by detective and thrown to the court they are fucked. Anyway if they were truly so powerful uber spies this site would be long gone and Josh fucked IRL, maybe even in prison etc...
 
BlastMonk said:
I dunno I think the way wikipedia operates, trying to create a counter narrative will simply be seen as propoganda aganist the 'facts' that kiwifarms is a hate site, drove three people to suicide, tried to end a trans healthcare lifeline, promotes doxxing (sic), swatting and is a favourite site for mass shooters to post their manifestos on. Regardless of how now of these things are actually true. And any evidence to the opposite comes from stuff archived here which then gets dismissed. Still the effort should be made to try.
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Efforts were made in the past and a mod with pride flags on his bio page with made up pronouns reverted the changes saying they went against the consensus.

The phrase was if I remember it "it does not matter what may or may not be true, only what the consensus says is true."
 
Mutley said:
A question for the AI people, obviously LLM's are poisoned by the likes of Wiki etc about the farms, but could they be fed multiple articles with the real story to reverse it?
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Not how it fucking works. LLM models don't actively develop themselves based on user input. They're trained by the developers who select and sort the dataset. What you use is static
 
Nameless One said:
@demicolon you will NOT believe what's going down right now. Get in here!
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By gawd the lolicon question shall be answered someday! And sperging about it any time freeze peach is brought up was MY sweet spot.
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IIRC it was Kurt Vonnegut who was asked in an interview what is his opinion on a river overflow. His response can be condensed into "the fuck am I supposed to think about it?"

IDK my rule of thumb is that it's OK as long as you keep it to yourself and don't try to organize into some kind of toaster fucker circlejerk that validates whatever bad taste you feel in your mouth, so to speak. Pragmata Diana, uh, combined with a cartoon animal is simply in bad taste but hey, I wouldn't be thinking about this, umm, novel concept today if I hadn't read about it here.
 
foam rolla said:
I think Null needs to hire a big, fat, sassy black bitch to go and complain to the manager of the Internet. Being white and polite isn't going to get shit moving. You need a Kaliyah or a Qwaneeka to go in and knock over an instore display and yell I 👏 WANT 👏 TO 👏 SPEAK 👏 TO 👏 A 👏 SUPERVISOR 👏.
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This would not work because given how much of a fiend I am for black pussy a buff black qween like Taiqueefa would be too busy to carry out her duties properly but there would be a lot of 👏👏👏👏👏👏 involved of that I assure (You)
 
Decapitated Nigger Baby said:
This would not work because given how much of a fiend I am for black pussy a buff black qween like Taiqueefa would be too busy to carry out her duties properly but there would be a lot of 👏👏👏👏👏👏 involved of that I assure (You)
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Yeah...

What he really needs is an educated black woman that can bring out her ghetto childhood on command whenever dealing with a manager. A smart black? A educated black? And a woman? Very rare.
 
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