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I saw Superman, it was alright 6/10. The main issue I had was too much comedy, nothing wrong with levity, but it feels like a full-on comedy in many parts and just doesn't work. There is a part where he is trying to save a weird baby, and instead of being something thrilling, comes across a gag.

The second big issue, was it felt too rushed, sometimes wish the movie would just take a few minutes and sit with the characters. There was a time when he was at the farm having heart-to-heart with his dad. I wish moments like that were longer and had a few more of them between the action. Just an extra 10 minutes or so during the movie would have really helped.

Visually, it is better than a Marvel movie, however, but that is a low bar to pass. More to do with how flat it can look, rather then CGI or sets.

Music is good, but wish they just outright used the John Williams score and created new music where needed, rather then the mix they did.

Story worked, if bit overcrowded. Also thought the cast all did well, only issue is with how Lex is handled at the end of the movie, but that is to do with the script not the actor.

I enjoyed Man of Steel more, but, up to see more of this DCU and see what a follow up Superman would be like.
 
Calandrino said:
That Justice Lord episode cast a long shadow. I know Evil Superman had already been done to death, but I think that's the one that really put the idea of Good Superman turning evil on the map, even though S:TAS had already done a similar plot.

First JLU picked it up for the two-season Cadmus arc. Injustice must have been inspired by it, but they made it really retarded and retooled it into Batgod wank. Directly or indirectly, it probably influenced Snyder's planned Evil Superman arc. The Gunnverse Superman also seems to be borrowing from the Cadmus arc and setting up a conflict between Superman and the government. Gunn's also doing something with The Authority, which iirc was named as an influence on JLU, so we've come full circle.
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Difference is that that was a better written episode than all of the "Evil Superman" stories combined. The Justice Lords did not become evil purely because a supervillain killed someone they loved. It was because that supervillain was voted into power despite everything he had done and that put him in a position to pull it off. That is what persuaded them that humans cannot be trusted with power.

Mystery Spy said:
Turning it into a Batman bankwank is made even worse since he was one of the evil Justice Lords. Credit where credit’s due—Batman was their golden boy, but even they admitted he might’ve been tempted. In fact, the non-evil Batman straight-up admitted his evil counterpart had a point. The Lords created a world where he wouldn’t have lost his parents, which even he found tempting.
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Few people remember the punchline to that argument. The Batmen watched as a man who went out to dinner with his family was arrested and sent to the gulag because he complained about being overcharged. That is the world the Lords created: A world where losing your parents is one complaint away.
 
Incecticyder said:
Few people remember the punchline to that argument. The Batmen watched as a man who went out to dinner with his family was arrested and sent to the gulag because he complained about being overcharged. That is the world the Lords created: A world where losing your parents is one complaint away.
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Of course, that’s why I said Batman was tempted, not convinced. The Justice Lords were the bad guys, and the show depicted them as such. Good Batman hit back, implying his parents wouldn’t like the dystopian world Justice Lord Batman helped create, and that argument shut his evil counterpart down.

But personally, I think Batman losing that earlier Batcave argument was him realizing why he might’ve been tempted to make the same choice as his Justice Lord counterpart. Even if he ultimately refused to go that far. All of them did. Except Flash.

I found that more respectful to all the other heroes than “Batman can’t do no wrong and he can beat everyone because he is that amazing” wich is how it came to be later.
 
Mystery Spy said:
Of course, that’s why I said Batman was tempted, not convinced. The Justice Lords were the bad guys, and the show depicted them as such. Good Batman hit back, implying his parents wouldn’t like the dystopian world Justice Lord Batman helped create, and that argument shut his evil counterpart down.

But personally, I think Batman losing that earlier Batcave argument was him realizing why he might’ve been tempted to make the same choice as his Justice Lord counterpart. Even if he ultimately refused to go that far. All of them did. Except Flash.

I found that more respectful to all the other heroes than “Batman can’t do no wrong and he can beat everyone because he is that amazing” wich is how it came to be later.
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Most people do not remember the punchline. We have to add it otherwise they will think that the Lords were right. You would be surprised by how many see only half a picture.
 
Product Placement said:
Music is good, but wish they just outright used the John Williams score
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They didn’t use the John Williams Superman theme, but I think they went with the “Leaving Home” cue instead? You know? DUH duh duh DUUUHHHH duh duh DUH duh duh duh DUH DUUUHHHH...🎵

The one that plays right after Pa Kent dies? I love that cue and can hum it from memory. But it’s also such a deep cut.
 
It looks like it'll just squeak by maybe just under 500 million worldwide? That's definitely a bomb. Big question: will WB commit to the DCU and by how much? Clayface is already finished and so is Supergirl. There might be another flick in production but I don't care that much.

Funnily enough, it did a little worse than Man of Steel which made $670 million.

My hypothesis is that there's just not that much interest in Superman movies anymore. People are more drawn to complex and dark characters like Batman.
 
BrunoMattei said:
It looks like it'll just squeak by maybe just under 500 million worldwide? That's definitely a bomb. Big question: will WB commit to the DCU and by how much? Clayface is already finished and so is Supergirl. There might be another flick in production but I don't care that much.

Funnily enough, it did a little worse than Man of Steel which made $670 million.

My hypothesis is that there's just not that much interest in Superman movies anymore. People are more drawn to complex and dark characters like Batman.
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It hurts to say but the general zeitgeist seems to still think of Superman as a boring character. You have to remember most people, and even most people who see superhero movies, are not comic nerds.
 
Even if Superman doesn't even cross the 500 million mark it at least outgrossed both Marvel films this year (and hopefully also Fantastic Four) and for that I am happy
 
BrunoMattei said:
It looks like it'll just squeak by maybe just under 500 million worldwide? That's definitely a bomb. Big question: will WB commit to the DCU and by how much? Clayface is already finished and so is Supergirl. There might be another flick in production but I don't care that much.

Funnily enough, it did a little worse than Man of Steel which made $670 million.

My hypothesis is that there's just not that much interest in Superman movies anymore. People are more drawn to complex and dark characters like Batman.
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More like there isn’t much interest in DC films anymore. Not even Batman is hitting the same highs he used to.

DC killed their brand throughout the 2010s. Superman should have been modestly budgeted and more focused. Make people actually care about him before shoving in a ton of other supershitters. Instead, WB went back to the old failed playbook of trying to have a cinematic universe right out the gate and blowing their budget. Doesn’t help that it really isn’t a great Superman film and feels way too reactionary. It is the anti-Snyder film, but is bad in the complete opposite way because apparently no one can create a good midpoint like STAS anymore - serious but not devoid of color (sort of a problem with cape shit in general these days).

This film was never going to do a mass amount. The baggage of the Snyder shit verse and 10 years of failure was always going to create distrust in the brand. Not aiding is DC’s continuous fallating of Batman at the expense of every other character, so the others never got to have that IP recognition.
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
Not even Batman is hitting the same highs he used to.
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It's difficult to say there. The Batman was a post-pandemic movie where the market was still soft and it had a new still unproven Batman with Rob Pattinson. It still made 700 million and it was somewhat low budget (for this kind of movie) costing just 100 million.

Keep in mind that Batman Begins definitely underperfomed and made just $375 million and WB still went ahead with sequels.
 
Superman is crossing $600 million even with F4 cutting it's legs. Right now it is around $450 million WW and it should cross $500 by the weekend, even with big drops.

Big issue is how Superman is doing overseas, the opening weekend was just poor in most countries even with the good drops it has been having.
 
...The true Batman would most certainly oppose the Aztecs for the reasons mentioned above. At worst, he would oppose BOTH the Conquistadors and the Aztecs, not join the literal mass-sacrifice lunatics.
Unless he's meant to be a villain protagonist, of course. Instead, this appears to be a DC take on Ass. Creed (which also had similar issues).
 
anti SJW said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-bd_AUSkrRA

Aztec Batman


So in this version, Batman fights the white people that try to end the Aztec ways of slavery and human sacrifice.
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Venture Bros already did it
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I don't hate elseworld stuff like this, but animation is total dogshit. I know DC animated movies have got worse looking over the years, but this is a new low. Animation looks like a fan made motion comic going off the trailer. Voice acting is also painfully bad.

Do wonder if they are making stuff like this for when Batman goes in the public domain. Cover all their bases so it hard for anyone to do anything with it outside reprint the the old public domain comics.
 
anti SJW said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-bd_AUSkrRA

Aztec Batman


So in this version, Batman fights the white people that try to end the Aztec ways of slavery and human sacrifice.
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I always find it baffling when people try to whitewash the Aztecs. Something that is always overlooked about the Spanish conquest is that the main reason the Conquistadors won wasn't the tech advantage (they were initially too few in numbers and Europeans wouldn't start arriving en masse until after the conquest), it was because ALL the other natives fucking hated the Aztecs for the reasons you mention and they readily joined the Conquistadors to fuck them up.
 
DapperShark said:
I always find it baffling when people try to whitewash the Aztecs. Something that is always overlooked about the Spanish conquest is that the main reason the Conquistadors won wasn't the tech advantage (they were initially too few in numbers and Europeans wouldn't start arriving en masse until after the conquest), it was because ALL the other natives fucking hated the Aztecs for the reasons you mention and they readily joined the Conquistadors to fuck them up.
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It would be like if Martians suddenly landed in Britain and said: "Do you want to stick with your current politicians or side with us? But if you side with us, we'll..." "YOU! WE SIDE WITH YOU!"

Also, appropriate meme:
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anti SJW said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-bd_AUSkrRA

Aztec Batman


So in this version, Batman fights the white people that try to end the Aztec ways of slavery and human sacrifice.
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The animation and voice acting feel straight out of an adult swim comedy show, how is this meant to be taken seriously? My god, I had to pause when the Joker talked from how hard I was laughing; I didn't know you could miscast the fucking Joker so bad.
 
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