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He was a cool character in Johns' JSA in 00s. Post-JSA, Terrific's appearances are a mixed bag. They tried giving him a solo series in New 52, they tried giving him his own team with Metamorpho and Plastic Man in The New Age of Heroes; he's just like Mr. Fantastic, he really needs an intelligent writer to write him well. I don't trust DC to do so anymore, with any of their characters.
 
Again it's just rumors but apparently Terrific is also getting his own series.
It's not even going to suck in a fun way. You can’t build a show around “What if the guy at your job who corrects your grammar was Mr. Midstastic?"
 
I don't get why everybody's salivating over him, he's a Z lister who would be completely forgotten if not for his race and how he's so stunning and brave because he's some sort of twelfth level intellect nigger.
He had the best scene in the movie. The mix of song and the fun action won a lot of people over.

DC is going to push him so they can claim they have amazing black characters, an area where they typically get btfo’d by Marvel having Black Panther and Storm. Sadly, they could try using their more popular ones like Cyborg or Static, hell even Vixen and Bumble Bee are decent, but instead Gunn will just find whatever D-lister he can reinvent to his liking.

Milestone is also there for DC to utilize at any time… I don’t know if there are certain rights issues, but it is weird how DC mostly forgets them outside of the weirdly heavy amount of references they get in Young Justice, even prior to the woke seasons.
 
Nothing has damaged DC heroes’ image and rep—outside of Batman—more than Zack Snyder and Injustice.

Especially Injustice, where zoomer fans missed the memo that it was supposed to be yet another alternate universe evil Justice League from another dimension, not meant to be the default versions of these characters. Evil Justice league is a trope we’ve had since the ‘60s, if not earlier. And the DCAU did it better.

Now most casuals, unironically think Superman is one bad day away from turning into an evil dictator (never mind that The Killing Joke’s entire point was that this take is wrong). And Wonder Woman? She’s stuck with this rep of being a total bich, like she was in Injustice. To be fair it's somewhat mitigated by Gal Gadot's take. But Even she is far from being as Big as she should be. And Gadot's only did one good movie as Wonder Woman. All just to wank up Batman.

It got so bad that James Gunn making Superman actually save people and act in character feels downright revolutionary, instead of the bare minimum.
 
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Nothing has damaged DC heroes’ image and rep—outside of Batman—more than Zack Snyder and Injustice.
Tower of Babel - The precursor that helped kickstart the batwank and completely destroyed power scaling for Batman.

New 52 - Basically tried to turn every hero into Batman and went hard on Batman jogging every single one of them. Problems then extended outside of comics with animated features basically just being the Batman cinematic universe, removing all those cool films for other heroes (especially WW and GL).

Green Lantern (2011) - Destroyed DC’s highest grossing comic series (in competition with Batman) and relegated it to perpetual punching bag rather than the Star Trek of a new generation it should have been. It is depressing seeing how good the animated content for GL was around that time (direct to dvd films and series), and even games with LEGO Batman 3, only for WB to shitcan him.
 
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Tower of Babel - The precursor that helped kickstart the batwank and completely destroyed power scaling for Batman.

New 52 - Basically tried to turn every hero into Batman and went hard on Batman jogging every single one of them. Problems then extended outside of comics with animated features basically just being the Batman cinematic universe, removing all those cool films for other heroes (especially WW and GL).

Green Lantern (2011) - Destroyed DC’s highest grossing comic series (in competition with Batman) and relegated it to perpetual punching bag rather than the Star Trek of a new generation it should have been. Seriously, it’s depressing seeing how good the animated content for GL was around that time (direct to dvd films and series), and even games with LEGO Batman 3, only for WB to shitcan him.

You are not wrong, but there's a reason I usually don't count comics. The average person's opinion is shaped mostly by whatever happens behind a screen. Mainly tv shows, movies and games.

I've seen countless people take Injustice as DC gospel instead of the edgy alternate universe it's supposed to be.

As bad as New 52 and Tower of Babel were, they were mostly contained within comics. In fact, I'd say Tower of Babel did as much damage as it did because an animated movie adapted it-Justice League Doom.

As for Green Lantern, I agree it was a terrible movie, but I wouldn't say it destroyed the public perception of Hal Jordan the way Injustice or Snyder's work did with Wonder Woman, Superman etc,. It was just bad, bland, and forgettable.

I agree that it's biggest sin was squandering it's huge potencial. But it didn't destroy the public image of Green Lantern the way now people expect Superman to snap anytime and " go full Injustice", or WW to be a bitch.
 
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Nothing has damaged DC heroes’ image and rep—outside of Batman—more than Zack Snyder and Injustice.

Especially Injustice, where zoomer fans missed the memo that it was supposed to be yet another alternate universe evil Justice League from another dimension, not meant to be the default versions of these characters. Evil Justice league is a trope we’ve had since the ‘60s, if not earlier. And the DCAU did it better.

Now most casuals, unironically thinks Superman is one bad day away from turning into an evil dictator (never mind that The Killing Joke’s entire point was that this take is wrong). And Wonder Woman? She’s stuck with this rep of being a total bich, like she was in Injustice. To be fair it's somewhat mitigated by Gal Gadot's take. But Even she is far from being as Big as she should be. And Gadot's only did one good movie as Wonder Woman. All just to wank up Batman.

It got so bad that James Gunn making Superman actually save people and act in character feels downright revolutionary, instead of the bare minimum.
The Reeves Batman movie was the panacea for all this. It portrayed Batman as intelligent but not magically all-knowing, a highly-skilled combatant but could still be hurt, impressive and just-past-realistic gadets but retained verisimilitude, gifted but still learning. He was a Batman that you could have grown with over a series of movies and slowly enlarge the world. The first had hints of slightly more fantastic elements with what appeared to be venom in the first one and the sequel would have used Clayface as the villain which would have been done in a slightly more low-key horror way I imagine which would have threaded the needle between believability and the comic book elements, I believe.

And Gunn fucked it up because he didn't want any usurper impinging on his master plans. I will never forgive Gunn for that.
 
Tower of Babel - The precursor that helped kickstart the batwank and completely destroyed power scaling for Batman.

people really should read Mark waids introduction at the start of the book

Tower of babel is probably the single biggest case of both fans and future creators having nfi what the actual point of a story is
 
Someone mentioned Injustice?
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And Gunn fucked it up because he didn't want any usurper impinging on his master plans. I will never forgive Gunn for that.

James Gunn definitely has two major flaws hurt his take on the DCU..

First, he's incredibly nepotistic.

Sure, that has its perks — his actors genuinely seem to love working with him, and many even defended him when he was fired. But the downside is clear: he'll absolutely choose someone he can be drinking buddies with over a more talented actor he simply doesn’t like.

The second flaw is that he wants the entire DC Universe to be his — his vision, his voice, his characters. He clearly wants to do his version of Batman, even if we already have a perfectly good and popular one with Battison. It’s perfect except that it isn’t “his.” On a podcast, he even claimed that his buddy Michael Rosenbaum was the best Lex Luthor — but still didn’t cast him. If you read between lines it’s because Smallville's Lex isn’t his Lex.

That’s why Henry Cavill, Matt Reeves’ Batman, and even Gal Gadot never really had a chance.

To be fair, it’s understandable, even nessesary , to drop Znyder’s baggage. But it’s a mistake with Reeve’s Batman. No matter how talented you are, you can’t do everything on your own. He did delegate Wonder Woman — but let’s be real, in today’s climate, Wonder Woman is so politically charged as a feminist icon that he was basically forced to delegate it to a woman.

The ideal would be if he just played ball. But be fair I wouldn’t be surprised if Reeves is the one against doing the cinematic universe deal instead. Or both of them.
 
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He had the best scene in the movie. The mix of song and the fun action won a lot of people over.

DC is going to push him so they can claim they have amazing black characters, an area where they typically get btfo’d by Marvel having Black Panther and Storm. Sadly, they could try using their more popular ones like Cyborg or Static, hell even Vixen and Bumble Bee are decent, but instead Gunn will just find whatever D-lister he can reinvent to his liking.

Milestone is also there for DC to utilize at any time… I don’t know if there are certain rights issues, but it is weird how DC mostly forgets them outside of the weirdly heavy amount of references they get in Young Justice, even prior to the woke seasons.
Gunn picked Guy over John Steward as the Green Lantern of the movie. John is the best choice after the JL cartoons made him a household name and the definitive GL in many people's mind.
 
The Reeves Batman movie was the panacea for all this. It portrayed Batman as intelligent but not magically all-knowing, a highly-skilled combatant but could still be hurt, impressive and just-past-realistic gadets but retained verisimilitude, gifted but still learning. He was a Batman that you could have grown with over a series of movies and slowly enlarge the world. The first had hints of slightly more fantastic elements with what appeared to be venom in the first one and the sequel would have used Clayface as the villain which would have been done in a slightly more low-key horror way I imagine which would have threaded the needle between believability and the comic book elements, I believe.

And Gunn fucked it up because he didn't want any usurper impinging on his master plans. I will never forgive Gunn for that.
Putting aside my disagreement with virtually everything you said about The Batman, I'm pretty sure Clayface was never confirmed and that was just one of many rumors floating around. Hell the latest rumor I've heard for The Batman 2 is that Hugo Strange is the main villain and the story is loosely based on Batman: Prey.
Tower of Babel - The precursor that helped kickstart the batwank and completely destroyed power scaling for Batman.

New 52 - Basically tried to turn every hero into Batman and went hard on Batman jogging every single one of them. Problems then extended outside of comics with animated features basically just being the Batman cinematic universe, removing all those cool films for other heroes (especially WW and GL).

Green Lantern (2011) - Destroyed DC’s highest grossing comic series (in competition with Batman) and relegated it to perpetual punching bag rather than the Star Trek of a new generation it should have been. It is depressing seeing how good the animated content for GL was around that time (direct to dvd films and series), and even games with LEGO Batman 3, only for WB to shitcan him.
Tower of Babel was a good story, hell IIRC it ends with everyone on the team roasting Batman for how careless and retarded he was (plus I also recall that it had Aquaman defending Batman by revealing that he ALSO had contingency plans of his own). New 52 wasn't a perfect reboot but I can appreciate that it was desperately needed to clean up the crap from Post-Crisis (which ended up being pointless because DC eventually brought that crap back piece by piece anyway). The early movies were shit but they were doing pretty OK by the end and even Jason O'Mara's Batman started sucking less. Green Lantern was a pretty shit film but it didn't kill GL's popularity, in fact it was going pretty strong even after that for several years. I think it started waning maybe around 2016.
Gunn picked Guy over John Steward as the Green Lantern of the movie. John is the best choice after the JL cartoons made him a household name and the definitive GL in many people's mind.
John was only the definitive GL for hardcore fans of the DCAU but, uh, the DCAU is pretty fucking old by now and DC has pushed Hal hard in everything else. I think Gunn just picked Gardner because of the asshole comic relief factor.
 
John was only the definitive GL for hardcore fans of the DCAU but, uh, the DCAU is pretty fucking old by now and DC has pushed Hal hard in everything else. I think Gunn just picked Gardner because of the asshole comic relief factor.
Still, if you want black representation like Gunn does, should he not have picked John? Yeah, they pushed Hal a lot but he was not always successful. He was in the YJ cartoon but so was John, he was in the New 52 movies as a cocky idiot and the less said about the Live-Action movie, the better. Was he in anything where he stole the show? Also, it would have been better with John than Guy as no one likes Guy unless he is a Red Lantern.
 
Still, if you want black representation like Gunn does, should he not have picked John? Yeah, they pushed Hal a lot but he was not always successful. He was in the YJ cartoon but so was John, he was in the New 52 movies as a cocky idiot and the less said about the Live-Action movie, the better. Was he in anything where he stole the show? Also, it would have been better with John than Guy as no one likes Guy unless he is a Red Lantern.
he was fine with the yellow ring too
basically just not WARRIOR when he crapped guns out his armpits or whatever that shit was
 
As for Green Lantern, I agree it was a terrible movie, but I wouldn't say it destroyed the public perception of Hal Jordan the way Injustice or Snyder's work did with Wonder Woman, Superman etc,. It was just bad, bland, and forgettable.
Green Lantern was a pretty shit film but it didn't kill GL's popularity, in fact it was going pretty strong even after that for several years. I think it started waning maybe around 2016.
Green Lantern is strange. The movie itself was middling at best, but for some reason it clearly crawled up some WB and Hollywood executives asses as it feels like there has been a vendetta against Green Lantern since. WB dropped all GL projects after the movie bombed, no more animated movies or series, with LEGO Batman 3 just being a weird strangler of having high GL content. Then, WB went out of their way to exclude GL from anything Snyder beyond the vague cameos of Lanterns in the battle with Stephenwolf - JL has 7 members yet they only used 6 seemingly to spite him. CW dropped a Lantern plotline they were clearly setting up. Even today, we have WB relegating GL to tv fodder since I guess a big picture is out of the question for Gunn's universe, or doing anything with them in space.

Beyond that, you then you have the load of Hollywood punches on him. Obviously Reynolds has made it very clear that Lantern was the worst mistake of his career, continuously bringing it up in Deadpool. The LEGO Movie Aquamaned GL into being the lame superhero everyone despises. Even fucking Sonic had to take shots at Green Lantern 13 years past its release.

Then we have the DC animated movies where GL's most notable scene is this:

John was only the definitive GL for hardcore fans of the DCAU but, uh, the DCAU is pretty fucking old by now and DC has pushed Hal hard in everything else. I think Gunn just picked Gardner because of the asshole comic relief factor.
Doesn't matter that it is old, John is the Green Lantern to normies. If I were to ask my mom about Green Lantern, she was say he is black because of that show. Picked this up from TikTok as it is extremely telling of how casuals view Green Lantern:



They may have been using Hal for the past 10 years, but other than Injustice, every usage has been so unremarkable that most don't even care. His movie was his best chance to take Stewart, and they screwed it up.
 
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he was fine with the yellow ring too
basically just not WARRIOR when he crapped guns out his armpits or whatever that shit was
Can you believe that the WARRIOR was them trying to cash in on MMPR? Talk about failing to understand the appeal.

And say what you like about Guy, at least he never did this.

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Damned by faint praise.

Then we have the DC movies where GL's most notable scene is this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ohu-9Et_eSc
Doesn't matter that it is old, John is the Green Lantern to normies. If I were to ask my mom about Green Lantern, she was say he is black because of that show. Picked this up from TikTok as it is extremely telling of how casuals view Green Lantern:

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https://www.tiktok.com/@backissues/video/7303212569362255135?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7462007612407498286
They may have been using Hal for the past 10 years, but other than Injustice, every usage has been so unremarkable that most don't even care. His movie was his best chance to take Stewart, and they screwed it up.
That is what I mean. The movies are for the normies and the normies know John, not Hal, not Kyle and certainly not Guy. You have to ease them in, not bring the least likeable GL you have.
 
Still, if you want black representation like Gunn does, should he not have picked John? Yeah, they pushed Hal a lot but he was not always successful. He was in the YJ cartoon but so was John, he was in the New 52 movies as a cocky idiot and the less said about the Live-Action movie, the better. Was he in anything where he stole the show? Also, it would have been better with John than Guy as no one likes Guy unless he is a Red Lantern.
Hal was in the insanely popular Green Lantern: The Animated Series (another great show cancelled for no good reason). As I said before Guy is actually a pretty understandable choice when you consider the kind of characters that Gunn likes - comedic characters with a douchey side. John, if we're just going by his DCAU depiction, is just a stoic military black man which doesn't leave much to work with for Gunn's tastes.
Doesn't matter that it is old, John is the Green Lantern to normies. If I were to ask my mom about Green Lantern, she was say he is black because of that show. Picked this up from TikTok as it is extremely telling of how casuals view Green Lantern:
I wouldn't put much stock in random TikTok clips (especially since I bet the guy that was coming in didn't even watch JL/JLU properly but just skimmed videos online otherwise he'd know that there are multiple human Green Lanterns). I hang out with a very sizable community of, let's say, nerd-adjacent people who aren't particularly aware of comics but want to get into them and I don't think I've ever met a single younger person for whom the default GL was John Stewart. Not a single one.
 
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