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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Yeah, Batman Begins could have been a great Scarecrow movie, but Nolan was the wrong director and shifted the villain role to Liam Neeson anyways.
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I've been saying since I walked out of the theater for Rises I have absolutely no idea how they didn't have people get fear gassed before they walked into Scarecrow's kangaroo court and have him in the mask then them all fucked up off the toxin as they are forced to walk on the ice to their death. especially having the league of shadows there it would have made sense he would have had access to the flower or whatever to make more.

how did they fuck that up? then when Batman shows up on the ice to Gordon it would have been cool to see the scary trippy Batman turn back into normal Batman like seeing him back snapped Gordon out of the bad trip.

that movie sucks anyways but that's one big thing that drove me nuts even while I was seeing it the first time. Why bother having him in charge of a kangaroo court and not hit the people with the fear toxin? They could have just had a random guy we'd never seen as the judge if they weren't going to let him have one scene of Scarecrow shit.
 
el bandito loco said:
I've been saying since I walked out of the theater for Rises I have absolutely no idea how they didn't have people get fear gassed before they walked into Scarecrow's kangaroo court and have him in the mask then them all fucked up off the toxin as they are forced to walk on the ice to their death. especially having the league of shadows there it would have made sense he would have had access to the flower or whatever to make more.

how did they fuck that up? then when Batman shows up on the ice to Gordon it would have been cool to see the scary trippy Batman turn back into normal Batman like seeing him back snapped Gordon out of the bad trip.

that movie sucks anyways but that's one big thing that drove me nuts even while I was seeing it the first time. Why bother having him in charge of a kangaroo court and not hit the people with the fear toxin? They could have just had a random guy we'd never seen as the judge if they weren't going to let him have one scene of Scarecrow shit.
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I literally forgot Scarecrow was even in that movie.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I literally forgot Scarecrow was even in that movie.
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The only reason I remember is because it made me so angry they didn't do that it's the first thing I think of when somebody mentions the movie. At least his one scene in dark knight is about the fear gas and he wears the mask. you know, his two fuckin' trademarks.
 
'Crow was an afterthought, and to be honest, his shtick is quite passive: He gasses someone and watches, or does something else while the victim hallucinates.
That movie had way more problems than 'Crow being a minor threat, such as the bait-and-switch last-minute villain, the fact Bruce managed to return to Gotham despite being in the middle of a desert with no gear... And still have spare time to perfectly arrange flaming barrels to form the Bat-symbol, carrying the explosive and unstable fusion reactor and having it bump against everything... It tried too hard to be serious despite the campy elements, so it ended being ridiculous. And yet, it's still better than any M-She-Uh movie, sadly.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
'Crow was an afterthought, and to be honest, his shtick is quite passive: He gasses someone and watches, or does something else while the victim hallucinates.
That movie had way more problems than 'Crow being a minor threat, such as the bait-and-switch last-minute villain, the fact Bruce managed to return to Gotham despite being in the middle of a desert with no gear... And still have spare time to perfectly arrange flaming barrels to form the Bat-symbol, carrying the explosive and unstable fusion reactor and having it bump against everything... It tried too hard to be serious despite the campy elements, so it ended being ridiculous. And yet, it's still better than any M-She-Uh movie, sadly.
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like I said before that movie overall is just terrible. Out of context It actually has my favorite moments out of all 3 of them, but in context don't work and are surrounded by one of the dumbest overall scripts I've ever seen. It also has a serious problem of being a Batman movie where Batman is in like 20 minutes of it. It takes an hour for him to be Batman, he gets his ass kicked 10 minutes after that, then lays around crippled for an hour, to come back only to have his big moment be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen in a superhero movie which is lead the charge in the cops vs bad guys lotr run at each other battle that I still can't believe really happened.

It wouldn't have been so bad if he was Batman again 15 minutes in and had a solid 40 minutes of Batman shit after that. The script still would have been full retard but at least it wouldn't have been excruciatingly boring too. I actually think it is the worst live action Batman movie, but at least it's well made and acted which it has over a lot of other lesser superhero movies. I'd rather watch it than Batman Forever or & Robin but at least those accomplish their goals of being toy commercials. Rises is too inconsistent with itself for me to feel it does whatever it set out to.

I do know for a fact the reason we never see how Bruce gets back to Gotham from Afghanistan or wherever the fuck he was, is because movies on film used to have a hard limit of length when shot in IMAX because of the sheer weight of the film and size of the projectors or something. and Nolan with Rises released a movie the exact fucking length to the minute the limit was back then. and he's an autist about what hits theaters being all you get that's why his movies DVD's never have deleted scenes and shit, and I don't know if they even filmed it but the reason there's weird shit in that movie that was already long that feels like it's missing chunks is because it was made to hit the exact IMAX limit in 2012.
 
Having an exact filming time would explain some things. As well as explaining why it felt so dumb.
Speaking of dumb, I watched Batman Ninja and Batman vs the Yakuza League. The first one is dumb, while the second is indeed dumb fun, as mentioned here (plus Joker's presence is minimal, for once! Shame Harley Queer has to show up, but eh).
It felt like a Silver Age episode crossed with every anime stereotype you can think of... And yet, unlike the first movie, most of the battles are won through smarts and cunning, not brute force, so there's that. I also liked how the 70s mecha anime parody was too much even for the Batfamily, and Alfred's Youtube channel exists! It's an easter egg though.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
Having an exact filming time would explain some things. As well as explaining why it felt so dumb.
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yeah, it does explain some of it. My source on that is I was a teenager and worked at a movie theater and because that movie was such a big deal we had some imax technician guy come out to look at our projector days before it came out and I was stoned in there while he was looking at it and he just rambled off a bunch of crazy facts about it that I have remembered ever since.

I asked him if it was possible for someone to unfurl the film and look at the the end of the movie (i wanted to know if he died in the end) when it arrived at the theater in a few days and he was like good fuckin' luck kid its the limit of imax film, 2 hours and 45 minutes. it's almost 10 miles long if you unfurl it, and weighs 550 pounds. The closest movie to hit it was Avatar and it was just a tad shorter. he told me that a lot of Imax movies traditionally had been a little shorter than their variants on regular screens because until Avatar the limit was smaller and they tended not to release long ass movies on the format because it was too expensive and just too damn heavy, but for Batman Chris Nolan was so into the format he specifically made the movie to the limitations.

and I was just high in there like, yeah. cool, man. so I can't just look at the film. fuckin' bummer.
Newcomer 42 said:
It felt like a Silver Age episode crossed with every anime stereotype you can think of... And yet, unlike the first movie, most of the battles are won through smarts and cunning, not brute force,
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It was twice as stupid but somehow more intelligently stupid than the first movie. It blew it out of the water in my opinion.
 
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If the same 4chan leaker ended up being right about Daredevil born again Season 2 will end with a team up with bullseye. Peacemaker season 2 will confirm the James Gunn Superman being in the same universe as this and apparently the (formerly Matt Reeves) Batman.
 
For The Batman sequel, they wanted Hush to be the villain so just adapt his most popular story, the one where the famous pic of him holding the 2 guns comes from.
You don't need to change much, the story is grounded enough to fit the world of The Batman and Penguin.

You know what I would do though?
A grounded realistic TV universe.
Pay Pattinson $25 million and he will do a streaming show instead of a movie.
Give Gunn the movies with Clayface and Braniac and other stupid shit.
If you had a TV universe that's a replacement for the crappy CW shit that was on Penguin's level, all based in Gotham, all interconnected and grounded in reality as much as possible, that could work.

Get a Penguin season 2 going, The Batman 2 as a season and they introduced Catwoman too so they can give her a show.
Then that culminates with a show with all of them in it.
You can release all of that within 1 year, 1 season per season :) and have an entire year's worth of content that people would subscribe for.
In the 2nd year, you do Batman season 2, 2-Face and maybe Green Arrow, expand a bit but not too much.

This is really easy but you need to do it slowly.
 
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Regarding Scarecrow in TDKR, I hear the original script had called for Joker handling the kangaroo court, which makes sense why Scarecrow isn’t doing what Bandito suggested powers-wise: you could have all the smug lines delivered just as well by Joker and him being a better fit to the le-revolution Bane is promising due to the de-facto anarchy he’s enjoying. That and he doesn’t just go poof after TDK but gets acknowledgement the way we got to see Scarecrow in the cold into of that film.
 
Mayor Cody Travers said:
Regarding Scarecrow in TDKR, I hear the original script had called for Joker handling the kangaroo court, which makes sense why Scarecrow isn’t doing what Bandito suggested powers-wise: you could have all the smug lines delivered just as well by Joker and him being a better fit to the le-revolution Bane is promising due to the de-facto anarchy he’s enjoying. That and he doesn’t just go poof after TDK but gets acknowledgement the way we got to see Scarecrow in the cold into of that film.
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that makes more sense. I remember at the time around TDK, WB was pressuring Nolan hard because they knew that Harry Potter was finite and they were trying to talk him into doing Batman as a series like that, like do 5-7 Batman movies every other year for a decade or something. and I also heard, don't quote me on this because the source was like 15 years ago, that his brother and him did at least do rough outlines for all of them. probably anywhere from 5 to 50 pages total just explaining wtf they would be, not like 6 full scripts or anything.

and allegedly, Nolan didn't want to and wouldn't commit to that in the first place (I wouldn't fuckin' do that either) but basically every single one of them was unusable anyways without Ledger except their plot for the very last one, Batman 5 or 8 or whatever the fuck it was. and when it came time to do a third one they just made that one as is anyways, and that was Dark Knight Rises. and honestly, I've always believed that was probably true. it makes way more sense that way. Instead of being Batman for 6 months or 2 years or whatever, he was probably Batman a decade before he quit, bringing back the league of shadows would have been a bigger deal if they had just been nonexistent for 4-6 movies, bringing it full circle to the first one, the fact he's Batman for hardly any of it wouldn't have been a big deal because we would have got tons of him in the riddler movie, the black mask movie, whatever else they had made between them.

Joker being in that role there also makes sense in that context too because I imagine the one right before that final one would have been their real final battle or whatever but he survived just lost and so that would have been his little cameo instead because he's still out being the Joker or whatever, considering he probably would have been the fuckin' co star of most of the series.

actually most of my fundamental problems with Rises are way more tolerable if I think about it as the end of 6 movies and not 3. It does already feel like we skipped 4 in between them as is. It'd still have the problems it does but just on a basics level the premise wouldn't have been so fuckin counterintuitive if that had been the case. but again that's probably all bullshit, but it's bullshit I do personally believe.
 
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I don't know how the hell I would set it up or actually execute it, but I love Azbats so much I would love a whole movie that's just about him or the concept. You could do a whole self contained movie like joker and make normie people think he's Bruce, and show it's not at the halfway point or end.

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Its basically the idea of a "better batman" trained by Bruce that I find interesting. He's got everything he needs physically to be the ultimate Batman, everything except Batman's soul.


My favorite takeaway from his character is that he's not a detective and he's doesn't have a gentle touch. He's just there to maim the shit out of everyone . The kicker is he's legit better as batman in driving down crime, but the toll it takes on him is insane. He starts seeing shit and becomes increasingly numb to suffering, ultimately cumulating in him letting a criminal die and getting a hostage killed.


Meanwhile everyone is trying to figure out what the hell's wrong with Batman. You can get a lot of mileage from characters who figure it out and don't. The whole dam arc is gold and frankly Id take anything that seriously examined it and was faithful to the highlights.



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I don't know how the hell I would set it up or actually execute it, but I love Azbats so much I would love a whole movie that's just about him or the concept. You could do a whole self contained movie like joker and make normie people think he's Bruce, and show it's not at the halfway point or end.

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Its basically the idea of a "better batman" trained by Bruce that I find interesting. He's got everything he needs physically to be the ultimate Batman, everything except Batman's soul.


My favorite takeaway from his character is that he's not a detective and he's doesn't have a gentle touch. He's just there to maim the shit out of everyone . The kicker is he's legit better as batman in driving down crime, but the toll it takes on him is insane. He starts seeing shit and becomes increasingly numb to suffering, ultimately cumulating in him letting a criminal die and getting a hostage killed.


Meanwhile everyone is trying to figure out what the hell's wrong with Batman. You can get a lot of mileage from characters who figure it out and don't. The whole dam arc is gold and frankly Id take anything that seriously examined it and was faithful to the highlights.



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I love Azrael and his counterparts in “Reign of the Supermen,” they perfectly showed why the modern replacements that the company would roll out twenty years later would never work.

I mean we all love Tyrone Fox Batman, Jon Superman, edgy Nu52 tron suit Supes and roidhead Absolute Batman, right?

Because Bruce Wayne is Batman and Clark Kent is Superman, they’re irreplaceable, despite what DC thinks, those two are the superheroes and it’s the soul of each character that makes them enduring. Superman was in his initial form, created after one of his creators was mugged and he just imagined a stranger who would’ve stepped in.
Basic Blond Boy said:
We finally get a full trailer tomorrow.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GcUgslreeAg
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He is so dysgenic. The DC boot camp made their not-Cavill actually uglier than he was before.

“Guys, we need a new Superman cause the Snyderverse failing is clearly Henry’s fault, let’s not look in the up and coming crop, let’s not go maybe a bit older and get a middle-aged Superman so can farm wholesome Rebirth vibes. No, let’s get an actual mutt-kike for cheap that we can make our slave with a twenty-year contract.”

“What’s that? He’s aging like milk? Worse than Pedro Pascal? He has a lazy eye? Shit, what could’ve caused this?”

Casting Superman is tough, especially since unlike Batman, the first film Superman got it so damn right and not only showed that Clark Kenting works but you can play the character and get both personas right, which Batman actors often struggle with.
 
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