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[Basic Blond Boy]

I feel like in the DCAU, we just lost a lot of Bruce's soft side since we wound up with only the Justice League shows and, well, they did try to show his soft and human side quite a few times. "Am I blue"

The thing about DCAU Batman is that in TAS, he actually had a sense of humor and some level of humanity. It was the new Adventures that went extremely hard on Bruce becoming a massive douche to everyone around him, a trend the same writers would go even further into in their out-of-universe works such as the Arkham games.

In general it seems the writers wanted Batman to be like this, it wasn't a lack of time or studio demand. No one asked Bruce Timm to have Batman cuck Dick Grayson, it was his own weird fantasy.

Season 3 picks up from some plot threads but tries to introduce too many new characters. I get what they're doing though. Season 4 felt really really lacking. Man, the death of Wally was not something I was expecting of this show. It was neat how they consistently showed the effects of all the heroic sacrifices. Wally's death, Zatara's sacrifice, Aqualad's deep-cover actions, Superboy's death, etc. And we still got to see DC history just exist. The JSA were there, the various super-groups all formed. The Red Tornado and Co. androids were all present too. Hell, they brought in Arrowette and Secret from the original comics young justice and then did nothing.

I give Young Justice a lot of credit. As a personal note, the show gave me and my sister something to talk about as this series became her favorite show, with Nightwing being her favorite superhero. The girl has mostly tastes in Netflix and CW teen dramas, yet this series turned her into an encyclopedia of DC.

Being honest, it is incredibly impressive how this show managed to insert so much DC comics autism into a package, yet still have enough of a hook to keep audiences who don't traditionally like capeshit invested. Actually, this is a huge thing that really goes undervalued when talking about the Murkami-verse mentioned here:

Yeah these three had some vaguely similar-ish artstyles if you squinted. Titans was and still is very beloved. Even with that cancerous TTGo show that's out now. The Batman was solidly enjoyable even without the character driven villains.

The LoSH show was weird. I did think it was at least kinda cool when they got to the second season where we had that Superman X clone and Imperiex. I'm guessing they wound up using Imperiex because they didn't get the options to use any of the real notable universal scale "big bads". Imperiex isn't. . . bad. But he was kinda just used in one event. I only remember the Imperiex event for the weird post 9-11 era it was published in and for the strangely well executed epilogue issue that honored the deceased. The one where the original JSA members went to honor Hippolyta's funeral was sweet (at this point it was written that she was the Golden Age Wonder Woman. Odd plot, but the sweetness and genuineness that they wrote those old guys in this 3-4 page scene was warming. Something something, "we're going to see our gal off")

Teen Titans was a huge series that brought many outsiders into DC given how accessible it was to a variety of audiences. The Batman is another I see a strange amount of love for from traditionally non-comic fans. Even LOSH has the strange nerd girls thirsty for Edgy Superman Kel-El. You can definitely tell how much of an impact these series had in broadening DC's demographics when you look at Young Justice, Green Lantern TAS and DC Superhero Girls.

To answer @el bandito loco on why people prefer these to the DCAU, I would say that these series have a younger feel to them and way more well-rounded female cast members. These series drove hard into teen friend group dynamics and family, which really opened them up to wider appeal.

 

[Newcomer 42]

They also were gearing up to do Kingdom Come as their next big standalone one and James Gunn and Peter Safran personally told them absolutely not because they're doing aspects of that and possibly adapting it outright eventually in their live action movies.

Goddammit. Truly, you can't hate Gunn enough.
I fear what they'll do with Kingdom Come...

Batman Brave & The Bold - Nowadays has been placed up there as one of DC's best. It is a damn good love letter to the Golden and Silver ages of DC, being much lighter than the DCAU, but still retaining the high quality of writing.

It's also a good crash course on DC, kind of, and it's more serious than you think: People die here!
Granted, it's mostly "literally who"s, but it's something.

The thing about DCAU Batman is that in TAS, he actually had a sense of humor and some level of humanity. It was the new Adventures that went extremely hard on Bruce becoming a massive douche to everyone around him, a trend the same writers would go even further into in their out-of-universe works such as the Arkham games.

Whenever writers try too hard to make Bats a perpetual 90s edgelord, you have to remember Adam West's Batman is the same character too.
Screw Timm and his hang-ups.
You guys didn't mention Caped Crusader from 2023, but you don't miss anything: It's anti-Batman due to wokeness overload making Batman a secondary character, the animation is worse than the 90s one, the writing is worse, the setting is underused... Worst of all, it has 12 episodes and there's no time to do much of a story arc in such little time, and it shows. I expected a second season by now, but nothing so far.

 

[Overly Serious]

It was a neat show. Not the best, but I'd say Season 1 is great fun, season 2 is okay, season 3 is kinda sloppy, and season 4 just goes way too sloppy. So much shit to juggle.

You're far too forgiving imho. S1 is great. S2 remains strong I feel. But S3 is a nose dive. It's the series that gives us Halo, a non-binary lesbian Muslim who wears hijab and talks about her faith. She's an alien being from New Genesis who decides she believes in Allah. Try and work out how all that hangs together because sure as Heck can't. Not to mention Islam's attitude to homosexuality. She's also an absurd Mary Sue who keeps discovering new powers as needed the starting power of which is self-resurrection.

Aside from that particular character this is when the whole tone of the show starts shifting to a feeling of tiredness and quiet depression. The heroes have aged out and sit in their kitchen talking with long gaps and heavy sighs. Someone should do a death counter for YJ Seasons 3+ only for Artemis and Megan going *siiiiiigggh*. It would make a good drinking game. Halo could even play as alcohol is probably part of her personal version of Islam, now...

You guys didn't mention Caped Crusader from 2023, but you don't miss anything: It's anti-Batman due to wokeness overload making Batman a secondary character, the animation is worse than the 90s one, the writing is worse, the setting is underused... Worst of all, it has 12 episodes and there's no time to do much of a story arc in such little time, and it shows. I expected a second season by now, but nothing so far.

It also gave us this version of Barbara Gordon:


And tried to pass off Harley Quinn as a Social Justice warrior who's relatable because the people she tortures are rich.

Let us hope we continue to hear nothing more of it.

 

[el bandito loco]

I can understand people preferring it, but I just can't fathom thinking The Batman 04 is better than DCAU BTAS. Mainly, because the stories themselves. There are good episodes, but hardly any are stand out great. The character stuff, fine I guess but I think everyone is really overstating Bruce's shit in DCAU. He's really only like that in the episode explaining why Dick left and Batman Beyond. Most of that shit is more so done in ancillary material and comics that couldn't even be bothered to fit into the continuity it's based on. He's not even like that in the majority of New Adventures or Justice League cartoon at all.

Barbara is handled better in The Batman, mainly just by virtue of actually having something to do. Dick, I don't know I really don't like him in that show but I don't think it's bad or anything, I just prefer him in BTAS for the most part. I was young enough to see the later show new too and even as a kid I thought the storylines were terrible in comparison. The tie in comic was better than the show, The Batman Strikes. I have every issue of it. I'd like a reprint but DC always cucks me out of shit I actually want printed.

Between the 3, Teen Titans is far and away the best of that era of shows, then Leigon and Batman can fight over 2nd place. Legion I think is super underrated but it also really doesn't have any stand out great episodes either, and at least The Batman had a few. Like The Batman it has a great version of its main character (young superman) who's sort of wasted in uninteresting plots.

I like all of those shows quite a bit but again it's sort of apples and oranges because the problem with them is they're all sort of surface level. there's not a whole hell of a lot of depth to most of them. which isn't a bad thing, but it makes it relatively easy to make a call for me on what was better in general. I watched all of The Batman for the first time since it's original run 6 months ago and was really let down by it. I thought it'd have more than I remembered to it, but it had less. I'd still recommend it to anyone as a solid Batman cartoon.

as for the later shows, Young Justice's first 2 years and GL TAS are great. Beware the Batman was so ugly looking I never watched it but I've heard it's better than it ever gets credit for, but still nothing special. Brave and the Bold owns, just fun punch em up goofball shit with tons of deep pull characters and references that actually has some weight and interesting stuff in the stories too.

I never went back to see the rest of Young Justice, skipped JLAction, and TTG I saw the movie and liked it but it's not something I would ever watch the show of. My Adventures with Superman is okay for what it is, but it's just another huge fuck you to Superman by making him a dopey idiot and reducing Lois Lane to stock anime girl archetype. It's a fine show, but those are decidedly not those characters at all (based on the first season alone).

but what are you gonna do? we just had that CW Superman show that was also a big fuck you to Clark even though everyone else was treated okay and people have been saying that whole time it was the definitive live action Superman because again they don't know shit about the character. He got a few random moments to be who he was supposed to be but mostly was a dopey idiot who's too nice. that's what people want out of him I guess.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

skipped JLAction

Please try it when you get the chance. The show is great, being a more kid-friendly BB&TB , yet not insultingly kid friendly. I like how it has a cast that is a good mix of known and obscure characters bringing back many faces from BB&TB and JLU, along with some new: Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Stargirl, Plastic Man, and Firestorm to name a few. Only real issue is that it came during the New 52, so they try to push the weird Wonder Woman/Superman ship.

Barbara is handled better in The Batman, mainly just by virtue of actually having something to do. Dick, I don't know I really don't like him in that show but I don't think it's bad or anything, I just prefer him in BTAS for the most part. I was young enough to see the later show new too and even as a kid I thought the storylines were terrible in comparison. The tie in comic was better than the show, The Batman Strikes. I have every issue of it. I'd like a reprint but DC always cucks me out of shit I actually want printed.

Between the 3, Teen Titans is far and away the best of that era of shows, then Leigon and Batman can fight over 2nd place. Legion I think is super underrated but it also really doesn't have any stand out great episodes either, and at least The Batman had a few. Like The Batman it has a great version of its main character (young superman) who's sort of wasted in uninteresting plots.

The shows suffered a lot from the studio mandates and red tape. TT was likely the best as it had the least being restricted given that TT was an obscure property past Robin and used a lot of original concepts. The only big restrictions I can recall are that they couldn't use the name DeathStroke and that Wondergirl was off the table as WW had some rights provisions that made it that she (or her characters) had to be a main character to be used.

By contrast, The Batman went through studio hell. WB went hard on the Bat embargo, ruining plans to use characters like Two-Face or Scarecrow. DC also got involved and placed red tape over Hush, who was supposed to be the main villain of the episode Rumors, rather than that OC villain. And, following above, WW was supposed to be in their Justice League, but since she wasn't a main character of the series, so she was restricted.

 

[The Token Ethnic]

You guys didn't mention Caped Crusader from 2023, but you don't miss anything

The only thing I liked about that series was when it focused on Clayface, but I hated how it went out of its way to subvert expectations.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

You're far too forgiving imho. S1 is great. S2 remains strong I feel. But S3 is a nose dive. It's the series that gives us Halo, a non-binary lesbian Muslim who wears hijab and talks about her faith. She's an alien being from New Genesis who decides she believes in Allah. Try and work out how all that hangs together because sure as Heck can't. Not to mention Islam's attitude to homosexuality. She's also an absurd Mary Sue who keeps discovering new powers as needed the starting power of which is self-resurrection.

Aside from that particular character this is when the whole tone of the show starts shifting to a feeling of tiredness and quiet depression. The heroes have aged out and sit in their kitchen talking with long gaps and heavy sighs. Someone should do a death counter for YJ Seasons 3+ only for Artemis and Megan going *siiiiiigggh*. It would make a good drinking game. Halo could even play as alcohol is probably part of her personal version of Islam, now...


It also gave us this version of Barbara Gordon:
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And tried to pass off Harley Quinn as a Social Justice warrior who's relatable because the people she tortures are rich.

Let us hope we continue to hear nothing more of it.

also every woman in it is fat for some reason

 

[Overly Serious]

also every woman in it is fat for some reason

Thin and athletic women would reinforce the norm of conventional beauty standards and that is bad because attractiveness is a social construct and not based on health and genetics. If thin and athletic women are removed from all media, people will stop being conditioned to think that's attractive.

Is their belief.

 

[Cnut]

Just saw shared so je

 

[UnKillFill]

"What is Superman's 'Kryptonite'?"

Feet pics?

 

[Cnut]

je

Sorry guys there was some hosting reset during my comment, I don't even remember what I was typing. Je can be 'just enjoy'

 

[Nikes_JustDoIt]

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The DC writers

 

[Humble Architect]

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So many, jews (ironic), nu males, liberals edgelords, cucks, homosexuals, bald men and if you combine all these, much like combining kryptonite sub-types, you get something truly horrible, a DC Editor.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

Thin and athletic women would reinforce the norm of conventional beauty standards and that is bad because attractiveness is a social construct and not based on health and genetics. If thin and athletic women are removed from all media, people will stop being conditioned to think that's attractive.

Is their belief.

Or whoever made it has a fetish.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Oh, Snyder had a plan for DC alright--he had an entire roadmap set up for his Justice League sequels as soon as Nolan bowed out post-MOS and WB handed him full creative reigns for their tentpole crossover films. You can read his full 12-page pitch from 2014 here, but I'll just warn you now, they sound fucking terrible.

The big emotional core of the films is a redemption arc for Batman after he and Lois engage in an affair resulting in the latter being pregnant with Bruce Wayne's child, culminating in a plotline where Aquaman and Wonder Woman get killed off (just like Supergirl and Dick Grayson before them in MOS and BvS respectively), so Batman leads a post-apocalyptic depowered resistance against a brainwashed Superman, send the Flash back in time to warn his younger self (which is what the "I'm Too Soon" scene in BvS was hinting at), resulting in the past Batman nobly sacrificing himself and being the namesake for Superman's cuckold son...who then grows up to be a Kryptonian Batman.

Yes, that was actually the original plan. Batman cucks Superman and becomes the "REAL, TRUE SAVIOR" of the DC universe.

And for any of Snyder's simps who will ride up to this thread, desperately trying to claim that "this was only the first pitch, Snyder wasn't going to include the cuckold storyline in the final draft"--this was his intention from the beginning, and he's been open about the fact that not only did he fight WB to include it, but has stated in interviews that he'd still include it in new Justice League sequels if he could. This was his pure, unfiltered vision, and something he'd still happily do if there was no one to tard wrangle him.

James Gunn could literally have Superman enter a unicycle competition with Bizarro and Mr Mxyzptlk in his movie, and it still wouldn't be as atrocious as disgraceful as Snyder's "vision" for Superman. Not surprising, considering Snyder has been pretty open about how the only comics he vaguely cared for were issues of Heavy Metal Magazine (and even then, literally just for their gore and boobs), and made creative choices throughout his DC films motivated by insecurity over the fact that Batman and Superman are comic characters that needed to be taken more seriously than they historically have--which is why he had them barely converse with each other in BvS, since according to him, "these characters would lose credibility the longer they were on-screen and conversed in costume".

He was a horrendous choice for these characters from day one, and WB's only mistake was not booting his ass out the door sooner.

Not only are you correct, but Snyder made t-shirts with a visual of his plan. Which means one can wear Bat-jizz on their person. Snyderverse, everyone!

I still can't get over the fact that even after several months from this post, Zack Snyder wanted Batman to cuck Superman and have that be in his DC universe. It's an idea so stupid it just sticks with you.

 

[Cactuar King]

Fucking King Shark.

What still absolutely floors me about that movie is that they ripped off the same unfunny "King Shark can only say one sentence until the very end" gag from an abridged series.

And I do sincerely believe they stole that joke wholesale.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Happy Superman day.

 

[Humble Architect]

Happy Superman day.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rq5LyXG8m2U

Nothing happy about it.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

More fun information about Superman:

"In the movie, Superman is frustrated by social media backlash, with the hashtag #SuperShit being mentioned several times as really getting under his skin. Meanwhile, in Lex’s interdimensional world, hundreds of mutant monkeys are shown typing furiously at keyboards, flooding social media with hate against Superman."

https://comicbookmovie.com/superman/superman-bizarre-plot-rumor-points-to-supersht-hate-campaign-and-mutant-monkeys---spoilers-a218951#gs.lccrgu

 

[The Nothingness]

More fun information about Superman:

https://comicbookmovie.com/superman/superman-bizarre-plot-rumor-points-to-supersht-hate-campaign-and-mutant-monkeys---spoilers-a218951#gs.lccrgu

Out: Snyder's convoluted writing in BvS where Lex manipulates Superman and Batman to fight each other
In: Gunn's meta writing where Lex is a stand-in for Musk and has an army of Internet trolls to enrage Superman